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[Raizo]

grievous04 wrote...


Ok, so some people are wondering why TIM and all of Cerberus is after Shepard, even after helping them and possibly giving them the Collector Base.

Well, based on the information given by the GI article, the Normandy is getting updated. The Alliance has impounded and procured it for their own uses, since Shep is still an Alliance soldier after all. The SR2 is a Cerberus ship with a highly powerful AI on board. That AI, EDI, has all of Cerberus' files in her database. Do you really think TIM will sit idly by while the Alliance pokes around in his secret organization's files? I do not think so.

Even though EDI has locked data, its possible the Alliance could take her AI core and hack all the info out of it. That, in my opinion, is reason enough for TIM to want Shep's head, as well as the Normandy either destroyed or in his possession.

Nice theory, I think your wrong but it still does not cahnge the fact that it's clever.

The big problem with your theory is that like most people I believe that most of the top officers in the Alliance are actually working for Cerebus, it doesn't matter what "Top Secret Info" is recovered from EDI's memory banks, since the only people who will ever see it are already apart of Cerebus.

I always knew that TIM would betray Shepard ( well a Paragon Shepard ) but his sudden change in attitude does not make sense to the many gamers out there who either sympathise with Cerebus or gave TIm the Collectors Base at the end of ME2 so hope that Bioware properly explain this.

Then again Bioware seems to have taken a complete 180 with regards to TIM's development after ME2. In ME2. despite his many faults the one good thing you could say about him was that he was committed to finding out who was abducting Humans and Stopping them. Then you get to the ME comics and you suddenly find out he's been Indoctrinated by Reaper tech all along ( so why would he be going against the Collectors and the Reapers in ME2 in the first place ). I don't think Bioware really knows what they are doing with TIM and Cerebus, either that or they know somthing that we don't which makes this clusterf**k add up.

[Dean_the_Young]

The hard part of TIM is that while he's vengeful, he's also pragmatic on a forward basis. He'll make alliances and deals with anyone who can help going forward... while reserving retaliation for later when the time of their importance has passed. This is not only the man who had a horrific revenge on Grayson years later, but immediately entered a new transactional relationship with Aria and even considered a future partnership with Anderson in the immediate aftermath of Retribution.

It isn't beyond belief that TIM might want revenge later, but it would be unusual for him to do so now, especially considering what he's already been shown to think and feel.

With that in mind, and valuing that evaluation for character consistency, my only presumption is that TIM has learned something (that we don't know) which makes him find Shepard a threat going forward against the Reapers, or at least more of a threat later than the costs of killing Shepard before the Reapers is. This belief needn't be irrational, and I fully expect it to be the same regardless of the Collector Base decision.

I don't see revenge being the motivator. I see fear, fear for if Shepard isn't killed, or at least isn't forced to keep Shepard's head down.

[trobbins777]

My idea is that TIM doesn't want Shepard uniting all other alien species. Rather he wants a pyrrhic victory against the reapers where most aliens are wiped out so that humanity can take over the galaxy. Now if Shepard is paragon he'll say the illusive man is being a genocidal ****** and if he is a renegade he'll say that the illusive man is delusional idiot to think he can win without their help. Either way Cerberus now wants to stop Shepard from ruining their plans.

[ExtremeOne]

trobbins777 wrote...

My idea is that TIM doesn't want Shepard uniting all other alien species. Rather he wants a pyrrhic victory against the reapers where most aliens are wiped out so that humanity can take over the galaxy. Now if Shepard is paragon he'll say the illusive man is being a genocidal ****** and if he is a renegade he'll say that the illusive man is delusional idiot to think he can win without their help. Either way Cerberus now wants to stop Shepard from ruining their plans.

  


I like your theory but My theory is Bioware has made such a pathetic and utter joke out of the reapers that they needed a second enemy in Mass Effect 3. Or they did a second Mass Effect franchise reboot with the 3rd game like many claimed they did with Mass Effect 2. It still makes no sense seeing how Cerberus brought Shepard back to life in 2 with plans on killing him in 3 

[Malanek]

I like the idea that TIM wants to use Shepard to cut a deal with the Reapers.

[ExtremeOne]

Malanek999 wrote...

I like the idea that TIM wants to use Shepard to cut a deal with the Reapers.

 


If he wants to use Shepard then what is the reason for the Alliance using Shepard 

[Malanek]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I like the idea that TIM wants to use Shepard to cut a deal with the Reapers.

  
If he wants to use Shepard then what is the reason for the Alliance using Shepard 

I don't get what you mean. I'm not suggesting the alliance is trying to cut a deal with teh Reapers. I'm suggesting TIM makes contact with the reapers. They promise to leave a percentage of humans alive in possession of a few systems not linked to exterior systems via relays in return for betraying Shepard and supplying him/her to them. This has nothing to do with the alliance.

[ExtremeOne]

Malanek999 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I like the idea that TIM wants to use Shepard to cut a deal with the Reapers.

  
If he wants to use Shepard then what is the reason for the Alliance using Shepard 

I don't get what you mean. I'm not suggesting the alliance is trying to cut a deal with teh Reapers. I'm suggesting TIM makes contact with the reapers. They promise to leave a percentage of humans alive in possession of a few systems not linked to exterior systems via relays in return for betraying Shepard and supplying him/her to them. This has nothing to do with the alliance.

 



what I mean is if by your theory TIM wants to use Shepard then what is the purpose of The Alliance using Shepard 

[The BS Police]

ExtremeOne wrote...
what I mean is if by your theory TIM wants to use Shepard then what is the purpose of The Alliance using Shepard 

Shepard is an Alliance Soldier, that is why. His actions reflect on humanity and the Systems Alliance regardless if he's a Spectre or not.

Destroying a Mass Relay and killing thousands of Batarians kind of looks bad for the Alliance, and it was the actions of Shepard that caused it regardless of the reasons for it.

Modifié par The BS Police, 17 avril 2011 - 09:08 .

[ExtremeOne]

The BS Police wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
what I mean is if by your theory TIM wants to use Shepard then what is the purpose of The Alliance using Shepard 

Shepard is an Alliance Soldier, that is why.

  


Oh ok 

[Seboist]

Is Shepard even still officially part of the Alliance? He went to go work for the Council, NOT the Alliance in ME1.

[ExtremeOne]

Seboist wrote...

Is Shepard even still officially part of the Alliance? He went to go work for the Council, NOT the Alliance in ME1.

 



I wish Bioware would clear that up. Unless The Council was a Allaince creation 

[Malanek]

Seboist wrote...

Is Shepard even still officially part of the Alliance? He went to go work for the Council, NOT the Alliance in ME1.

Officially, probably not. But even if not, Shepard still has extremely close ties with them. So unofficially, yes.

[ExtremeOne]

Malanek999 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Is Shepard even still officially part of the Alliance? He went to go work for the Council, NOT the Alliance in ME1.

Officially, probably not. But even if not, Shepard still has extremely close ties with them. So unofficially, yes.

 

In other words he is a Mercenarie he will work for those that have the same common interest he has. 

[Malanek]

ExtremeOne wrote...
In other words he is a Mercenarie he will work for those that have the same common interest he has. 

Not really. A mercenary is someone who fights for money, not a cause.

[TheOtherTheoG]

My personal theory is that, between the events of ME2 and 3, Cerberus discover that Shepard, as hinted by Harbinger, is in fact key to the Reapers' success in some way, and that if they were to kill Shepard, they would significantly damage the Reapers chance of success, also giving Cerberus a platform of sorts from where they can gain praise and support for helping destroy the Reapers. If Shepard chose to destroy the base, they just hate Shepard for essentialy betraying them, if he kept the base, they will sympathise with you, and will be more reluctant to kill you, in nature, bearing in mind all of the things that Shepard has done of Cerberus. Either way, they'll also be somewhat angry at the Alliance too, for stealing their flagship frigate and the man that they spent 4 billion credits to revive as a Cerberus soldier.

[Seboist]

Malanek999 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
In other words he is a Mercenarie he will work for those that have the same common interest he has. 

Not really. A mercenary is someone who fights for money, not a cause.

That's not mutually exclusive for a Merc.

[mx3ze]

Mmm i have a theory [lolly troll ON] TIM told himself "Mmm.. Shepard did great but he have a d**k bigger than mine ! Let's take him out !" [lolly troll OFF] //FlameShield ON //BanHammerShield ON //Lol

Modifié par mx3ze, 17 avril 2011 - 10:05 .

[ExtremeOne]

Malanek999 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
In other words he is a Mercenarie he will work for those that have the same common interest he has. 

Not really. A mercenary is someone who fights for money, not a cause.

 


you are right he is not a Merc. 

[KainrycKarr]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Nixter Shepard wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They better come up with a better reason than that because its stupid

they did it just to ****** YOU off.

 




oh thats fine I will treat the Allaince like utter garbage in ME 3 Bioware took a big dump on us Cerberus fans in 3 and payback will be hell for their precious Alliance in ME 3

Lol, you paint this picture like Bioware hates Cerberus and all it's fans(even though they created it) and is purposefully screwing you over for the alliance.

I get this mental image of Casey Hudson coddling an Alliance baby feeding it snacks while the Cerberus baby starves in the corner.

Do you SERIOUSLY think Bioware is doing it on purpose, because their "Alliance" is precious? Or could it be that they, for better or worse, think that it makes for a better story?

[KainrycKarr]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Is Shepard even still officially part of the Alliance? He went to go work for the Council, NOT the Alliance in ME1.

 



I wish Bioware would clear that up. Unless The Council was a Allaince creation 

Uhh....

[Apocalypse89]

I think the most logical explanation, is that Cerberus have their own plan to fight and stop the Reapers, and for whatever reason believes that Shepard is getting in its way, or even that his death/capture will help it succeed. Or vice versa, Shepard actively goes after Cerberus to stop their plan for reasons unknown, and they're simply retaliating in defense.

Overall though I think we need even a vague clue of Cerberus' motives to come up with a reliable theory.

[ExtremeOne]

KainrycKarr wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Is Shepard even still officially part of the Alliance? He went to go work for the Council, NOT the Alliance in ME1.

 



I wish Bioware would clear that up. Unless The Council was a Allaince creation 

Uhh....

  



Oh I am sorry I insulted the little precious council of jack Assses. Those clowns deserved to die in Mass Effect 1 

[ianmcdonald]

ExtremeOne wrote...

They better come up with a better reason than that because its stupid

[ExtremeOne]

ianmcdonald wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They better come up with a better reason than that because its stupid

 


thats real cute but I am sick of Bioware coming up with answers for other questions but at E3 they better have a answer to why they have screwed us Cerberus fans. Me and the rest of the Cerberus fans are not buying the bull sh*t of we have to play the game to find out. it sounds as if they have a dumb reason for 

Modifié par ExtremeOne, 18 avril 2011 - 04:50 .