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[DarthSliver]

ExtremeOne wrote...

ianmcdonald wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They better come up with a better reason than that because its stupid

 


thats real cute but I am sick of Bioware coming up with answers for other questions but at E3 they better have a answer to why they have screwed us Cerberus fans. Me and the rest of the Cerberus fans are not buying the bull sh*t of we have to play the game to find out. it sounds as if they have a dumb reason for 

Yeah in E3 i do believe we will get more of a hint of why Cerberus is going after Sheperd. I mean I am an Alliance fan and always like going Paragon but it still doesnt completly make sense to me either.  Doesnt seem to be TIM's nature to take pity revenage because you cut him off and told him to F- off.  I mean he wants to stop the reapers just as bad as you do. I only get you ruined his hidden reason why he was stopping the Collectors from how ticked off he gets from you destroying it.

But I truly think he wants to stop the Reapers with trying to secure human dominance at the same time.  So like some say, maybe he believes Humanity alone can beat the Reapers and see the Invasion as a chance to for Human dominance. 

Overall it doesnt make sense from a Renegade Shepard's view on the most part. Because in theory a Renegade really supports TIM and Renegade ending of ME3 will for sure show Human supremacy. 

[Chuvvy]

I have an issue with them impounding the Normandy. Hudson gave a good answer in GI, until I thought about it. His answer was "It's like if someone commandeered an Aircraft carrier in WW2, their not going to say 'Lucky you! you have your own aircraft carrier.' But the situation with the Normandy isn't like that at all. Cerberus built it from the ground up, it's civilian sec, it's been heavily modified, it's got EDI and Shepard's a guhdamn Spectre.

At any rate, anything's better than "MAUHAHA! NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL! MUHAHA!" or "lol indoctrination.".

Modifié par Slidell505, 18 avril 2011 - 07:29 .

[ExtremeOne]

Slidell505 wrote...

I have an issue with them impounding the Normandy. Hudson gave a good answer in GI, until I thought about it. His answer was "It's like if someone commandeered an Aircraft carrier in WW2, their not going to say 'Lucky you! you have your own aircraft carrier.' But the situation with the Normandy isn't like that at all. Cerberus built it from the ground up, it's civilian sec, it's been heavily modified, it's got EDI and Shepard's a guhdamn Spectre.

At any rate, anything's better than "MAUHAHA! NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL! MUHAHA!" or "lol indoctrination.".

  



Well thats still a bull Sh*t excuse for what the Alliance is doing in 3 now who are the real bad guys it seems as if the Alliance has untouchable power in Mass Effect 3 to destroy a Ship that belongs to Shepard . The power the Alliance has makes me sick 

[Anacronian Stryx]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

I have an issue with them impounding the Normandy. Hudson gave a good answer in GI, until I thought about it. His answer was "It's like if someone commandeered an Aircraft carrier in WW2, their not going to say 'Lucky you! you have your own aircraft carrier.' But the situation with the Normandy isn't like that at all. Cerberus built it from the ground up, it's civilian sec, it's been heavily modified, it's got EDI and Shepard's a guhdamn Spectre.

At any rate, anything's better than "MAUHAHA! NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL! MUHAHA!" or "lol indoctrination.".

  



Well thats still a bull Sh*t excuse for what the Alliance is doing in 3 now who are the real bad guys it seems as if the Alliance has untouchable power in Mass Effect 3 to destroy a Ship that belongs to Shepard . The power the Alliance has makes me sick 

Yeah how dare they think they have power - they are only governed by humanity's elected heads of state.

Terrorists on the other hand have a much more pure claim to power since if you don't do as they say they will F*** you up!.

Why are you even playing computer games.. go join Al-Qaeda Make the world a better place!!

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 18 avril 2011 - 09:50 .

[Ausstig]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

I have an issue with them impounding the Normandy. Hudson gave a good answer in GI, until I thought about it. His answer was "It's like if someone commandeered an Aircraft carrier in WW2, their not going to say 'Lucky you! you have your own aircraft carrier.' But the situation with the Normandy isn't like that at all. Cerberus built it from the ground up, it's civilian sec, it's been heavily modified, it's got EDI and Shepard's a guhdamn Spectre.

At any rate, anything's better than "MAUHAHA! NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL! MUHAHA!" or "lol indoctrination.".

  



Well thats still a bull Sh*t excuse for what the Alliance is doing in 3 now who are the real bad guys it seems as if the Alliance has untouchable power in Mass Effect 3 to destroy a Ship that belongs to Shepard . The power the Alliance has makes me sick 

Yeah how dare they think they have power - they are only governed by humanity's elected heads of state.

Terrorists on the other hand have a much more pure claim to power since if you don't do as they say they will F*** you up!.

Why are you even playing computer games.. go join Al-Qaeda Make the world a better place!!

I think this might be the new godwins law.

Terrorists have founded nations in the past an will in the future:o

[Foehunter82]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

With that in mind, and valuing that evaluation for character consistency, my only presumption is that TIM has learned something (that we don't know) which makes him find Shepard a threat going forward against the Reapers, or at least more of a threat later than the costs of killing Shepard before the Reapers is. This belief needn't be irrational, and I fully expect it to be the same regardless of the Collector Base decision.

I don't see revenge being the motivator. I see fear, fear for if Shepard isn't killed, or at least isn't forced to keep Shepard's head down.

Looking at the ME wikia, I've looked at the synopsis for the comics explaining TIM's Reapertech exposure so far.  Even if he's not indoctrinated, I believe we should consider the strong possibility that TIM may have gained access to some Reapertech, and had it used during the Lazarus Project.  As a result, his fear of Shepard may be a direct result of him making Shepard a threat through the use of Reapertech.  In this case, TIM trying to kill Shepard is beyond anyone's control, as was the Lazarus Project.  This would also go a long way towards explaining the increase in severity of the scars that Shepard develops if choosing the Renegade path.

[Malanek]

There needs to be a good explaination but it should not be revealed at E3 or any time before the game is released. It is better to experience these things while playing the game.

[DarthSliver]

Malanek999 wrote...

There needs to be a good explaination but it should not be revealed at E3 or any time before the game is released. It is better to experience these things while playing the game.

Well of course they wont reveal it but i am sure they will show Mass Effect 3 demo at E3 and we will get a better hint to make a better theory.

[The Spamming Troll]

Babli wrote...

Sooo...Reapers are attacking Earth but TIM is wasting time with trying to kill someone who wants to defeat the Reapers?

That makes sense...not.

He is indoctrinated, he sees Reapers offerings as the best thing for human race. True evolution. Submission preferable to extinction.
In short, he is just another bad guy now.

imo.

i dont get this train of thought.

name me one race that succumed to the reapers, thats still around. the collectors are reprogrammed protheans, and thats it.

where are the previouse "saren" agents for the reapers 50,000 years ago? oh yeah, they are dead, because reapers own.

[Malanek]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Babli wrote...

Sooo...Reapers are attacking Earth but TIM is wasting time with trying to kill someone who wants to defeat the Reapers?

That makes sense...not.

He is indoctrinated, he sees Reapers offerings as the best thing for human race. True evolution. Submission preferable to extinction.
In short, he is just another bad guy now.

imo.

i dont get this train of thought.

name me one race that succumed to the reapers, thats still around. the collectors are reprogrammed protheans, and thats it.

where are the previouse "saren" agents for the reapers 50,000 years ago? oh yeah, they are dead, because reapers own.

It was a perfectly valid, and probably the most obvious, theory. Babli never claimed TIM will be around afterwards. Him being indoctrinated would be just like Saren, the Reapers would be using him to help defeat Shepard. I hope this isn't the case though, he is too interesting a character to throw away with the same storyline trick they already used for Saren.

[ExtremeOne]

Ausstig wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

I have an issue with them impounding the Normandy. Hudson gave a good answer in GI, until I thought about it. His answer was "It's like if someone commandeered an Aircraft carrier in WW2, their not going to say 'Lucky you! you have your own aircraft carrier.' But the situation with the Normandy isn't like that at all. Cerberus built it from the ground up, it's civilian sec, it's been heavily modified, it's got EDI and Shepard's a guhdamn Spectre.

At any rate, anything's better than "MAUHAHA! NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL! MUHAHA!" or "lol indoctrination.".

  



Well thats still a bull Sh*t excuse for what the Alliance is doing in 3 now who are the real bad guys it seems as if the Alliance has untouchable power in Mass Effect 3 to destroy a Ship that belongs to Shepard . The power the Alliance has makes me sick 

Yeah how dare they think they have power - they are only governed by humanity's elected heads of state.

Terrorists on the other hand have a much more pure claim to power since if you don't do as they say they will F*** you up!.

Why are you even playing computer games.. go join Al-Qaeda Make the world a better place!!

I think this might be the new godwins law.

Terrorists have founded nations in the past an will in the future:o

  




While you see Cerberus as a terrorist group based on Mass Effect 1's version of them. In Mass Effect 2 they seem to want to get things done no matter what it takes and thats not being a terrorist thats just being ruthless in how one gets the job done.  Oh the power the Alliance has is stupid so they can just take what the hell they want and destroy it for no real reason.  that is wrong and unfair to us renegade players and Cerberus fans.  

[Anacronian Stryx]

ExtremeOne wrote...

While you see Cerberus as a terrorist group based on Mass Effect 1's version of them. In Mass Effect 2 they seem to want to get things done no matter what it takes and thats not being a terrorist thats just being ruthless in how one gets the job done.  Oh the power the Alliance has is stupid so they can just take what the hell they want and destroy it for no real reason.  that is wrong and unfair to us renegade players and Cerberus fans.  

Cerberus engineered the Eldfell-Ashland Energy accident over Yandoa and they are known to be behind at least two other acts of sabotage and one political assassination - you know what that's Terrorism.

The reason the Alliance wields power is because they represents the elected governments of humanity and i find it sad that you haven't got the brainpower to see the difference between wielding power because the voters gave it to you (proxy though governments) and having power though terrorism and backroom deals.
 

[ExtremeOne]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

While you see Cerberus as a terrorist group based on Mass Effect 1's version of them. In Mass Effect 2 they seem to want to get things done no matter what it takes and thats not being a terrorist thats just being ruthless in how one gets the job done.  Oh the power the Alliance has is stupid so they can just take what the hell they want and destroy it for no real reason.  that is wrong and unfair to us renegade players and Cerberus fans.  

Cerberus engineered the Eldfell-Ashland Energy accident over Yandoa and they are known to be behind at least two other acts of sabotage and one political assassination - you know what that's Terrorism.

The reason the Alliance wields power is because they represents the elected governments of humanity and i find it sad that you haven't got the brainpower to see the difference between wielding power because the voters gave it to you (proxy though governments) and having power though terrorism and backroom deals.
 

  





you can see them that way but that is not my view on them. As far as the Alliance 's power you dam right its wrong to steal a ship that is not theirs is wrong.  

[Drake_Hound]

Ok ULTIMATE REASON , Shepard slept with all of TIM misstresses ....

They didn´t want TIM anymore , that would rive him any man to kill Shepard !

Especially that Asari Matriach instead of 2 times 8 times

(just making fun so don´t throw a hissy fit)

[Golden Owl]

Guanxii wrote...

 My Ideal opening for ME3 as an extension to my earlier post:

Perhaps Cerberus only "want your tail" in the immortal words of Jacob Taylor if you nuked the base? Maybe this is the impact of that decision. I.e. the opening sequence(s) of ME3 differ depending on your decision(s) at the end of both games.

For example, if you saved the Collector Base you are initially affiliated with Cerberus regardless of your council decision, however if you destroyed it you are stuck with the Alliance/Council in the state that you left it.

A prologue with two variations; an alliance/paragon variation and a cerberus/renegade variation set in the day(s) before the Arrival (depending on the outcome of the collector base decision).

Cerberus/renegade variation:

The opening text reads something along the lines of… after failing to report/face charges after being summoned by an Alliance court Shepard has been apprehended by the Alliance military to be tried on Earth as a suspected Cerberus Operative on terrorism charges in the wake of the Alpha Relay incident. The Normandy SR2 has been impounded by the Systems Alliance. Perhaps the Illusive Man narrates a small scene facing the infamous red star.

Shepard is ultimately unapologetically convicted at the trial and imprisoned at an Alliance facility. Cerberus operatives possibly lead by Miranda and Jacob (if alive, otherwise placeholders) infiltrate the facility, rescue Shepard from his cell and battle Alliance troops to recover and escape on the Normandy SR2. The reaper invasion follows the prologue. The rest of the game follows the same basic structure only you occasionally take instructions in the com room from the illusive man.


Alliance/paragon variation:

The opening text states that Shepard has handed himself into Alliance custody, Normandy SR2 impounded, etc. Anderson or Hackett maybe narrate a counter scene.

Shepard is ultimately found not guilty at the trial, meanwhile Cerberus have launched an all out assault on the facility to recover the (stolen) Normandy SR2 and shepard must battle cerberus elite forces with Ash/Kai and James Saunders to stop them leaving with the (new) Normandy.The reaper invasion follows the prologue. The rest of the game follows the same basic structure only you occasionally take instructions in the com room from an Alliance/Council representative such as Hackett, the Council or Udina or even Feron (acting on behalf of Liara as the Shadow Broker).

This is very good, I would really like this to happen and it would satisfy both paragons and renegades I think.

[ExtremeOne]

Golden Owl wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

 My Ideal opening for ME3 as an extension to my earlier post:

Perhaps Cerberus only "want your tail" in the immortal words of Jacob Taylor if you nuked the base? Maybe this is the impact of that decision. I.e. the opening sequence(s) of ME3 differ depending on your decision(s) at the end of both games.

For example, if you saved the Collector Base you are initially affiliated with Cerberus regardless of your council decision, however if you destroyed it you are stuck with the Alliance/Council in the state that you left it.

A prologue with two variations; an alliance/paragon variation and a cerberus/renegade variation set in the day(s) before the Arrival (depending on the outcome of the collector base decision).

Cerberus/renegade variation:

The opening text reads something along the lines of… after failing to report/face charges after being summoned by an Alliance court Shepard has been apprehended by the Alliance military to be tried on Earth as a suspected Cerberus Operative on terrorism charges in the wake of the Alpha Relay incident. The Normandy SR2 has been impounded by the Systems Alliance. Perhaps the Illusive Man narrates a small scene facing the infamous red star.

Shepard is ultimately unapologetically convicted at the trial and imprisoned at an Alliance facility. Cerberus operatives possibly lead by Miranda and Jacob (if alive, otherwise placeholders) infiltrate the facility, rescue Shepard from his cell and battle Alliance troops to recover and escape on the Normandy SR2. The reaper invasion follows the prologue. The rest of the game follows the same basic structure only you occasionally take instructions in the com room from the illusive man.


Alliance/paragon variation:

The opening text states that Shepard has handed himself into Alliance custody, Normandy SR2 impounded, etc. Anderson or Hackett maybe narrate a counter scene.

Shepard is ultimately found not guilty at the trial, meanwhile Cerberus have launched an all out assault on the facility to recover the (stolen) Normandy SR2 and shepard must battle cerberus elite forces with Ash/Kai and James Saunders to stop them leaving with the (new) Normandy.The reaper invasion follows the prologue. The rest of the game follows the same basic structure only you occasionally take instructions in the com room from an Alliance/Council representative such as Hackett, the Council or Udina or even Feron (acting on behalf of Liara as the Shadow Broker).

This is very good, I would really like this to happen and it would satisfy both paragons and renegades I think.

  


that would totally please Me and I hope that is what happens 

[Golden Owl]

@ExtremeOne...Maybe then, we should all be encouraging Guanxii to submit his/her 'Ideal Opening' to BW and start a support thread for this idea. You, as a renegade player, I, as paragon player both are looking for a satisfying game and I would hazard a guess for you as well, that you would expect either path to offer a good story...neither should have a lesser game play for the alignment they choose....Gotta admit, I was pretty surprised when I heard Cerberus would be gunning for the Base savers as well, kinda thought Cerberus would become a part of the renegades army.

[ExtremeOne]

Golden Owl wrote...

@ExtremeOne...Maybe then, we should all be encouraging Guanxii to submit his/her 'Ideal Opening' to BW and start a support thread for this idea. You, as a renegade player, I, as paragon player both are looking for a satisfying game and I would hazard a guess for you as well, that you would expect either path to offer a good story...neither should have a lesser game play for the alignment they choose....Gotta admit, I was pretty surprised when I heard Cerberus would be gunning for the Base savers as well, kinda thought Cerberus would become a part of the renegades army.

 


I want both Paragon and renegade players to have a complete and full story to play in ME 3 and I support the idea you mentioned. I just want Bioware to respect our choice at the end of 2 and that be what the alignment is based off of. I will gladly support a thread like that. I do not like the idea of Cerberus coming after My Shepard when he was loyal to Cerberus and to the Illuisve Man. Cerberus should be a huge part of the renegade's army.  

[Tennessee88]

grievous04 wrote...


Ok, so some people are wondering why TIM and all of Cerberus is after Shepard, even after helping them and possibly giving them the Collector Base.

Well, based on the information given by the GI article, the Normandy is getting updated. The Alliance has impounded and procured it for their own uses, since Shep is still an Alliance soldier after all. The SR2 is a Cerberus ship with a highly powerful AI on board. That AI, EDI, has all of Cerberus' files in her database. Do you really think TIM will sit idly by while the Alliance pokes around in his secreteorganization's files? I do not think so.

Even though EDI has locked data, its possible the Alliance could take her AI core and hack all the info out of it. That, in my opinion, is reason enough for TIM to want Shep's head, as well as the Normandy either destroyed or in his possession.

That doesn't really explain why TIM wants to kill Shepard. Thats a lot of resources to go after a man who had no choice but to turn the vessel over, its not exactly like we are tossing the keys to the admiral as we waltz in with our legal team.

I am hoping the maintain TIM as a grey charachter, which means he thinks what he is doing must be done to stop the Reapers. My guess is that TIM knows that Shepard interacted with Object Rho, and fears that Shepard represents a threat even if Shepard himself does not know it.

[ExtremeOne]

The Alliance has no right to take that ship. Bioware you better start explaining things

[Some Geth]

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Alliance has no right to take that ship. Bioware you better start explaining things

Oh good you are back...

[ExtremeOne]

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Alliance has no right to take that ship. Bioware you better start explaining things

Oh good you are back...

   



I do not buy the excuse that was in the GI article. 

[Some Geth]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Alliance has no right to take that ship. Bioware you better start explaining things

Oh good you are back...

   



I do not buy the excuse that was in the GI article. 

And here we go again.

[ExtremeOne]

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Alliance has no right to take that ship. Bioware you better start explaining things

Oh good you are back...

   



I do not buy the excuse that was in the GI article. 

And here we go again.

  



I will simply wait until I have more answers to comit on it further  

[Some Geth]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Alliance has no right to take that ship. Bioware you better start explaining things

Oh good you are back...

   



I do not buy the excuse that was in the GI article. 

And here we go again.

  



I will simply wait until I have more answers to comit on it further  

Yes you do that.