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[DanZOAR]

Spoilers:

Why does everyone enjoy killing Anders at the end?
I know that he's massively changed and all that, but he blew up the chantry! I've been wanting to do that since Lothering!

[Avilia]

I don't think 'everyone' does kill him or enjoy it. Some do, some don't.

Obviously you fall in the 'don't' basket Personally I fall in the 'do' (the kill, not enjoy) basket. Our baskets sit side by side nestled gently...okay that metaphor got away from me.

There are more baskets than just ours on that shelf.

Modifié par Avilia, 16 avril 2011 - 10:22 .

[bleetman]

Personally, I didn't enjoy it. I actually had to look away the first time. Killing him wasn't a revenge thing, or to satisfy some notion of him paying for his crime, and absolutely nothing to do with wanting to.

I killed him because, as far as I was concerned, Anders had been dead for quite some time by that point.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 avril 2011 - 10:23 .

[Kimberly Shaw]

On my first play through my Hawke was in love with Anders and understood Vengeance's motivations completely. That Hawke hated the Grand Cleric and thought she was a pushover and after warning her to get out of dodge she stayed and got killed despite people telling her to go. If you warn someone something is going to happen and tell them to do something that will avoid it and they ignore you then it's very hard to feel sympathetic.

"Hey you should really stop flicking that lighter so close to that gas cannister"

So I neither killed Anders nor enjoyed it.

[Melca36]

I didn't kill him in one play through

I actually roleplayed my Hawke Mage as having lost everything and the bitterness of having to hide her abilities and being on the run...came out. It was time for a change

Flemeth also said be prepared for change...so she did.


She ran off with him.

I predict there are some secrets we don't know about the chantry that will completely shock people. I think everything people came to know about the Chantry, etc will turn out to be a lie.

[The Angry One]

Melca36 wrote...

I predict there are some secrets we don't know about the chantry that will completely shock people. I think everything people came to know about the Chantry, etc will turn out to be a lie.

And then we fight the Maker.
.. if we want to make it entirely like a JRPG, that is.

[Rifneno]

The Angry One wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I predict there are some secrets we don't know about the chantry that will completely shock people. I think everything people came to know about the Chantry, etc will turn out to be a lie.

And then we fight the Maker.
.. if we want to make it entirely like a JRPG, that is.

Because the archdemon isn't a tainted god or anything?

[Fruit of the Doom]

Are there ANY video games where the "god" of the gameverse doesn't turn out to be evil?

[The Angry One]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Are there ANY video games where the "god" of the gameverse doesn't turn out to be evil?

Xenogears. God's been trapped in a battery for 6 trillion years. You help him out.
At least I think that's what happened. That game was trippy.

[Cutlass Jack]

DanZOAR wrote...

Spoilers:

Why does everyone enjoy killing Anders at the end?
I know that he's massively changed and all that, but he blew up the chantry! I've been wanting to do that since Lothering!

I didn't enjoy it. It just had to be done. Justice demanded it, ironic but true.

[Fruit of the Doom]

The Angry One wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Are there ANY video games where the "god" of the gameverse doesn't turn out to be evil?

Xenogears. God's been trapped in a battery for 6 trillion years. You help him out.
At least I think that's what happened. That game was trippy.

Boooo, I want to fight a giant space flea with tentacles against a psychodelic backdrop while fast-paced pop music plays.

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 17 avril 2011 - 12:46 .

[The Angry One]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Are there ANY video games where the "god" of the gameverse doesn't turn out to be evil?

Xenogears. God's been trapped in a battery for 6 trillion years. You help him out.
At least I think that's what happened. That game was trippy.

Boooo, I want to fight a giant space flea with tentacles against a psychodelic backdrop while fast-paced pop music plays.

Which is, ironically, the battle right before freeing God. Well aside from maybe the music.
See here if you don't believe me (skip to 3 mins or so in):
www.youtube.com/watch

Yeah I'm derailing, sorry.

[Fruit of the Doom]

The Angry One wrote...

Which is, ironically, the battle right before freeing God. Well aside from maybe the music.
See here if you don't believe me (skip to 3 mins or so in):
www.youtube.com/watch

Yeah I'm derailing, sorry.

Hehehe, almost every JRPG ends like that!

I was thinking of Final Fantasy IV... and V... and most of the other...

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 17 avril 2011 - 12:55 .

[ElnVld]

I don't.
I love Anders!

[Oneiropolos]

I never once ENJOYED killing Anders. Anders was my favorite character out of Awakening. (Sigrun was second, Nathaniel was third.) I've been dying to romance Anders since then. But then it.... just wasn't Anders. It was Awakening!Anders gone terribly wrong. Not in a bad writing sense, as he was written quite well, but Anders himself sees it as justice that he die He thinks he's gonna be a great martyr and stuff, but it's been confirmed even by his writer that ANDERS WANTS TO DIE. So you either keep him alive because you love him and can't bear to kill him (there actually is an option to keep him alive, take him to the final fights with you, but break it off with him because you couldn't stand what he did, which I appreciate them putting in there), you keep him alive to make him help fix the problem he caused, you let him run for his life, or you kill him. Considering I was irked that -I- couldn't kill Sister Petrice, and I view her actions as virtually identical to Anders and as huge foreshadowing, for me to spare Anders because he did something horrific but it's okay cuz we're buddies...no. I can't do that. That's hypocritical.

Let's look at it frankly. If you sided with the Templars, the Knight-Commander says that she will let you deal with this murderer. In that case, you were basically told by the highest authority currently in the city that it was your job to carry out the correct decision there. Hawke isn't take the law into his/her hands. It was placed there. This is ADDED to by the fact that Aveline flatly says there's no excuse for what Anders did. So even if you side with the Mages and Orsino leaves you to deal with Anders, you still have the Captain of the Guard sort of placing the law in your hands. She'll stand by whatever you decide involving Anders, but if asked, she finds his actions inexcusable. If you have Sebastian, let's just IGNORE his threat for right now as having no bearing on what you decide. Instead, he's looking to Hawke to show the leadership again. He's respecting that it's Hawke's decision (because his hands are tied in plot rope. Otherwise, you know he'd have put an arrow through Anders's head and I would have seen this as a fair action on his part but the writers had to actually allow us to make the decision. Sebastian only does not act involving the Flint mercenaries because it's too dangerous for one man to go risk being ambushed...he's the last of his line. He can't AFFORD to die or his entire family is basically wiped out. Minus one not too bright cousin.) but he's expecting Hawke to be a fair judge.

ALL of the characters are seeing The Champion as the law here. Even Anders. I hate killing him each time...but the only time I didn't was a mage playthrough that romanced Anders and I RPed as agreeing with his viewpoints. And I STILL felt betrayed by what he did. Anders has to die, for me, because he's too risky. He's already shown what he is WILLING TO DO, and he even states in one Rival conversation that there is -no one in Kirkwall he wouldn't kill for his goal-. He doesn't even add an 'Except you' to make it easier to hear. Anders basically already lost years earlier when Justice and he first merged, but now he's losing to Vengeance entirely. How many innocents will die if you just let him walk off and Vengeance continues to get stronger in him? Yeah. The one you kill is Anders. That's what makes it sad. But it's so Vengeance doesn't go killing everything in sight later, including fellow mages like was shown as possible in one of Anders's quests.

[LT123]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Are there ANY video games where the "god" of the gameverse doesn't turn out to be evil?

Xenogears. God's been trapped in a battery for 6 trillion years. You help him out.
At least I think that's what happened. That game was trippy.

Boooo, I want to fight a giant space flea with tentacles against a psychodelic backdrop while fast-paced pop music plays.

Sounds kind of like Earthbound. Except Giygas didn't have tentacles and it wasn't pop music.

[aaniadyen]

DanZOAR wrote...

Spoilers:

Why does everyone enjoy killing Anders at the end?
I know that he's massively changed and all that, but he blew up the chantry! I've been wanting to do that since Lothering!

Because we aren't all angsty teens with grudges against the clearly oppressive establishment that noone else can seem to see.

[snackrat]

bleetman wrote...

Personally, I didn't enjoy it. I actually had to look away the first time. Killing him wasn't a revenge thing, or to satisfy some notion of him paying for his crime, and absolutely nothing to do with wanting to.

I killed him because, as far as I was concerned, Anders had been dead for quite some time by that point.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Certainly if you look at his codex "Anders - The Last Three Years" it remarks on how he was takiing a break from rebellion to try get Justice in control - only to suddenly take up the mage banner again. The codex implies that this is a decision from Justice.

[bleetman]

Karsciyin wrote...

The codex implies that this is a decision from Justice.

Indeed.

Modifié par bleetman, 17 avril 2011 - 01:40 .

[frustratemyself]

I've never killed Anders, just can't do it. I also have not yet sided with the templars. I will eventually to see what happens but I sympathise with the mages too much. Meredith's annul the circle because of 1 apostate was too much for me.
Even if I didn't agree with what Anders did, not killing him is the better option (IMO) than making him a martyr for magekind to hold up as an example.

Edit: Also he expects you to kill him and even seems to want it. If you really want to punish him let the healer live with the fact that he is responsible for the deaths of a lot of innocent people. Not just inside the chantry but loyalist circle mages that didn't want to be involved, templars like Ser Thrask that try and find the best peaceful solution and bystanders that get caught in the crossfire.

Modifié par frustratemyself, 17 avril 2011 - 02:15 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

I killed him the first time and felt so bad about it that I reloaded the save and kept him with me.

Sebastian can go **** himself!

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

Melca36 wrote...

I didn't kill him in one play through

I actually roleplayed my Hawke Mage as having lost everything and the bitterness of having to hide her abilities and being on the run...came out. It was time for a change

Flemeth also said be prepared for change...so she did.


She ran off with him.

I predict there are some secrets we don't know about the chantry that will completely shock people. I think everything people came to know about the Chantry, etc will turn out to be a lie.

Yes, I understand Jessie Ventura is going to be doing a 'Lies told by the Chantry' special.  Apparently, the Tevinter Imperium never actually existed.  It was the Chantry.  Andraste never existed either.  The whole revolution against the magister overlords never happened.  It was a lyrium dream dreamed by Sandal; the mages are actually angels held in thrall by the Big Evil Chantry.  Only by blowing up every chantry, killing every worshipper and their children can the poor angel mages be free.  What's that old saying?  Everytime a chantry child dies, a mage angel gets his wings?

And for those of you too consumed by your hatred of organized religion to get it, that's sarcasm.    I find the 'I hate the chantry' and 'i've been wanting to blow up the chantry since DAO posts a little disturbing.  A)You guys aren't distinguishing between yourselves and your character; you understand this is a game right, and you're hating something that doesn't actually exist?  B)I can understand being bothered by the chantry's methods but I don't get the sense you guys are looking at this in the context of the game.  The Tevinter Imperium was a menace to all of Thedas; it still is; they enslaved, they murdered, they experimented, ect ect.  Andraste's rebellion happened because regular people were sick of mages cr*pping all over them.  Now, if Andraste had been as bloodthirsty as some of you purport to be, they would have killed mages outright, and continued to kill them through the ages for the misery they caused.  Instead, they spare them and allow them to develop their talent; making sure they can control it through testing.  Not pleasant, but it beats being dead because of what your ancestors did.  Modern mages don't engender much sympathy; blood mages running around and killing people; if you're an average guy in Thedas, do you honestly feel sorry for them?  Doubtful.

Then I see this bile posted here; taking pleasure in blowing up a church.  Oh, elthina wouldn't reign in Meredith?  Blow her up!  Really?  So someone doesn't do what you want so they should just die?  Gosh, Bioware, why can't I use the murder knife on Aveline because she won't romance my character?  It's a game guys.  In the context of the game, the bile toward the chantry doesn't make much sense; there's a reason why the mages are where they are because of what the Imperium did, and still does.  None of you wannabe church bombers acknowledges the wrong done by the mages that caused the creation of the chantry to begin with.  Outside of the game, gloating about killing a bunch of church goers..well, that's troubling for a whole host of reasons. 

[Paraxial]

DanZOAR wrote...

but he blew up the chantry! I've been wanting to do that since Lothering!

YEAH MASS MURDER!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I find myself confused about exactly what Anders' role is. Is the implication that it's Anders' fault if your friends and Justice's fault if your rivals or is the idea that it's always Justice's fault and Anders just hides it if you're friends.