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[Ox_Mox]

My decision had nothing to do with wanting to punish him. By Act 3 Anders is clearly losing more and more control over his own actions. A powerful mage controlled by a spirit willing to mass murder innocents to accomplish whatever it deems just is a danger to those around him. The problem will only grow worse as Anders' sanity continues to lessen, it's best to remove him before he has a chance to hurt any more people.

[Nepenthe87]

Ox_Mox wrote...

My decision had nothing to do with wanting to punish him. By Act 3 Anders is clearly losing more and more control over his own actions. A powerful mage controlled by a spirit willing to mass murder innocents to accomplish whatever it deems just is a danger to those around him. The problem will only grow worse as Anders' sanity continues to lessen, it's best to remove him before he has a chance to hurt any more people.

this is also kind of my point. Killing him is the most merciful way to deal with Anders'. It confuses me that it is the "bad" option. Even if the game itself portray's it as an act of anger from hawke it still feels like a mercy killing to me. Maybe instead of the murder knife people should start calling it the mercy knife.

I'm pretty sure you can make anders' help you and then give him a more martial punishment afterward. That option has the most justice in it IMO. Make him help what he can in the aftermath of kirkwall then subject him to trial and execution by the chantry.

Modifié par Nepenthe87, 18 avril 2011 - 05:28 .

[Addai]

nekhbet wrote...

But Anders actually wanted to resolve the issue with Elthina. It's only in Act III that he changes his mind (or Vengeance makes him change his mind).

Not in a way that Elthina could ever accept.  She wasn't going to let mages run free.  Even in his first banters Anders is talking about killing the knight commander.  He's already got murder on his mind.

[Addai]

Nimrodell wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Why would I kill Anders for blowing up the Chantry? If anything, there should be a 'brofist' dialogue option.

You can actually get that wish granted if you spare him but tell him to go before Gallows and Orsino's madness. He'll appear standing there and he'll say something that is utterly stupid if the whole time you were protecting him as well as mages. He'll tell u - so after all you did choose to defend the mages (which is totally stupid as I said if you were their defender the whole time) and then he'll ask you if his rejoining you would sully your victory... and there goes the most stupid 'brofist' part that diminishes Hawke if Hawke is actual defender and leader - if you choose the stay option, you'll tell him - This is your victory more then it's mine.

Now, I really do have soft spot for Anders, but not having an option to stay with him but also slap him or at least not let him slip out that easily... that's just meh. Tbh, that ending felt like bloody Horizon Shepard/Kaidan/Ashley talk... just stupid. As in real life, I always go by 'love or friendship are most important' things philosophy but in the same time I would never condone such act of selfishness and lack of regret... that's just wrong understanding of being 'paragon'. If you are rival Hawke that will go for saving mages at the end, you get more of proper dialogue options that kinda cover major issues, but as goodie, you're just sheep and that's again generalizing things. One can be 'goodnatured' and still not be blind and condoning in the same time. Til that moment I've seen in this path, game actually did respect diversity of one's complex personality and choices, but that ending was utterly wrong for those that are not blind stupid Hawkes and yet again don't percieve world in black/white terms. Sucha shame... It was eeew to watch such stupid Hakw that actually praises Anders and not having the option to tell him to stay but without condoning his lying to you, distrust and ungratefulness... that scene diminishes both Anders and Hawke greatly. One of the examples of bad writing and putting things again into black/white box. Shame.

Yeah agree with everything you said.  The end dialogue options with Anders are very inadequate.  In my canon run I ended up sparing him because I wanted him to fight, but for this reason if I replay I might kill him when I have the chance since that's the only way to express disapproval of what he's done.

[Rifneno]

Addai67 wrote...

nekhbet wrote...

But Anders actually wanted to resolve the issue with Elthina. It's only in Act III that he changes his mind (or Vengeance makes him change his mind).

Not in a way that Elthina could ever accept.  She wasn't going to let mages run free.  Even in his first banters Anders is talking about killing the knight commander.  He's already got murder on his mind.

Meredith deserves to die.  Actually she deserves much worse, but I'm not a fan of pointless suffering.  They made it clear from the get-go that Meredith was a ruthless extremist, the idol just took her to comic book supervillain levels.

So, this "first banters"...  I presume this is after her templars just tranquil'd his first love for giggles?  Indeed, what monster would want revenge for that?

[morbusswg]

I didn't kill Anders when he was the LI of my fem Hawke... however, later when we were supporting the mages and I was saying good bye to everyone, I didn't even get a kiss from him, just a sermon ... jerk... so I reloaded and killed him..

[Lethys1]

He ruins any chance at a peaceful resolution, because you could easily convince the Grand Cleric that Meredith was going crazy.  Still, I'm glad this happened because I've wanted to kill all the mages throughout the entirety of the game, to be completely honest.  There is no point where I wanted to save any mages besides Bethany.

[Rifneno]

Lethys1 wrote...

He ruins any chance at a peaceful resolution, because you could easily convince the Grand Cleric that Meredith was going crazy.  Still, I'm glad this happened because I've wanted to kill all the mages throughout the entirety of the game, to be completely honest.  There is no point where I wanted to save any mages besides Bethany.

You thought there was a chance to get Elthina to do something about Meredith?  LOL.

[stobie]

Lethys1 wrote...

He ruins any chance at a peaceful resolution, because you could easily convince the Grand Cleric that Meredith was going crazy.  Still, I'm glad this happened because I've wanted to kill all the mages throughout the entirety of the game, to be completely honest.  There is no point where I wanted to save any mages besides Bethany.

I spoke to her at every opportunity, and she does nothing.  She's completely passive. I do not see her standing up to Nordic Queen Meredith.    As soon as I saw the creepy guy threatening to rape a girl, I wanted to kill templars.  By the time I heard the mage-boy talk about being abused by them, I was pretty ready to annul the Chantry myself.   Crazy just doesn't stack up to 'domineering abuser.'  At least, not for me.    I keep thinking, well, give them a chance. Some of them seem ok - the young ones in the Gallows, old Emeric.  Cullen looks like he needs some sleep  & despite his training, can't spot a mage when her fireball smacks him on the head - but he means well.   Still, it's their seeming indifference to the creepy abuse of their charges - or their stupidity in not noticing it, which settles it for me.  My 'try to side with templar' saves always seem to end in 'delete.' 

[Dio Demon]

The greatest harm can come from the greatest inaction

[Herr Uhl]

Rifneno wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

He ruins any chance at a peaceful resolution, because you could easily convince the Grand Cleric that Meredith was going crazy.  Still, I'm glad this happened because I've wanted to kill all the mages throughout the entirety of the game, to be completely honest.  There is no point where I wanted to save any mages besides Bethany.

You thought there was a chance to get Elthina to do something about Meredith?  LOL.

Anders did, evidently.

[stobie]

In fairness to Elthina, Meredith probably wouldn't have just said, "Oh? 'K! I'll be nicer now." She could quite easily have decided Elthina had fallen prey to a very dull demon & was now a blood mage thrall. I didn't get the impression that much would change her.

I liked the GC's 'gentle mother' line - but it kind of falls flat when you imagine a mother letting 2 of her children tear each other's throats out. You don't learn much when you're dead.