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[Nezzer]

I find it a good way to expand your mind, learn stuff and enjoy yourself pretending to live in another world, in another time. Anyone who experiences ME slips into it and, if they want, they make it more of a game, but a living experience, like most of the users of these forums did, especially regarding Mass Effect, which has a universe that is somewhat possible to exist in the future (you never know). I consider games like ME or DAO the deepest of the arts, because no other piece of art touches me more than these games.

[Nezzer]

Double post.

Modifié par Nezzer, 17 avril 2011 - 12:01 .

[aimlessgun]

PicdiCr80 wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Why are there people like 'Tolkien experts' and literary experts who pore over fictional works? A good work of art can be discussed and debated. While we still lack the scholarly means of film and literature analysts, I think the fact that people can examine a story structure and argue about the themes of Mass Effect is proof of just far the VG medium has come since Pong.

That and people are just passionate about the series. People **** when they're passionate. ;P

I agree it shows how good the series is (which it is) and what not, but I think (hope ) my above point is still valid. There still needs to be boundaries or something though to when people debate (in my eyes anyway.).

Yeah, I suppose it's true that literary critics have slightly more civilized discussions. Most of the time.

[xassantex]

Polliot wrote...

Mass Efffect is not a reality!? What's wrong with you people,are you all crazy?
Enough of your childish jokes,I'm plotting a course for Illium.

have fun, i'm off fishing on the Presidium. 

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btw if you see too much renegade for " just a game", use your paragon abilities. 

[Creator001]

I will throw some heavy stuff, so don’t try to argue it’s fun but pointless. 

We all agree that ME gives us chance to have different experience. Experience,
which we would never have in our lives. This game allows us to express ourselves to the fullest!

Those moral decision ad ethic choices are proof of who and what we are!  Would we choose different in real life? Maybe some, but not me. 


When someone choses slightly or completely different plays stile - people may feel offended. I see how that can be a problem. 

I believe that when we argue over something it is because our ideals. Sometimes our
believes and ideals com in conflict, And we simply defend our believes. 


Personally  - I don’t care how others play , I care about peoples behavior towards this game. And i care a lot about story and characters. 

Modifié par Creator001, 17 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[flipflopbop]

 OP : What game? ..... .. .

Modifié par flipflopbop, 17 avril 2011 - 01:07 .

[Warlocomotf]

I think Bioware does an incredible job illustrating some potentially very difficult ethical scenarios (such as Geth "rights" / Organics, genophage- etc. I know full well that it's a game, but honestly- these ethical / philosophical aspects are to me what make this game so great.

[MrFob]

Warlocomotf wrote...

I think Bioware does an incredible job illustrating some potentially very difficult ethical scenarios (such as Geth "rights" / Organics, genophage- etc. I know full well that it's a game, but honestly- these ethical / philosophical aspects are to me what make this game so great.

I agree. Science fiction (at least good science fiction, IMO) since the day of Asimov has taken present day ethical and moral conflicts, abstracted them in a future scenario and thereby allowed a much more open discussion about the issue for consumers. Look at Star Trek (especially TNG) for plenty of examples. Sometimes they do it better, sometimes worse but it's one of the strength of SF in general. If that is combined with a wondrous world that draws you in, you can get people who usually would not even have though about these topics to engage their minds and that can lead to very varied discussion. In my book this is a great thing and nothing negative.
As for the tone of the discussions, I agree that sometimes they get a bit harsh but that is mostly due to the inherent anonymity of the internet and IMO BW actually keeps these forums rather clean and tidy, if you compare it to others.
So I have to disagree with the OP here. I think it is great that people take something beyond the action and the graphics and talk about it. And as said before it shows the quality of the ME series.

[PicdiCr80]

Very good points people have used against me to be honest and I definitely see what people mean, but I think it should be more about putting yourself in the game but not trying to put the game into reality, if you know what I mean. So immersing yourself in the game is fine but I think some people need to stop taking the game as if it's reality.

[88mphSlayer]

because it's the last of the Shepard trilogy of mass effect games, people have been anticipating it for 4 years

[mx3ze]

Cuz it is awsum.

[GodWood]

PicdiCr80 wrote...
Very good points people have used against me to be honest and I definitely see what people mean, but I think it should be more about putting yourself in the game but not trying to put the game into reality, if you know what I mean. So immersing yourself in the game is fine but I think some people need to stop taking the game as if it's reality.

They're not.
They're simply discussing/debating the game's lore within the context of the setting.

[Sylvianus]

There are good and bad reasons. But overall; video games are also a support, a media such as films, and novels. Things we love, we dislike, we find interesting or uninteresting.

There is a story, characters, facts which may reflect reality, feelings that can reach us.

Cerberus is it a dangerous entity ? Keep the collector base is it really a good idea against the ennemy ? I hate Popo, me I love Tata. Pfff, Tata is better than Popo. Are you crazy bro ? Popo is better than Tata. Why ? etc.

All this enables miles interpretations, a force to subjectivity, and thus the debate.

[Phraggon]

As long as there are choices, and we are human, there will always be arguments. That's the difference between us and the turians. 

Modifié par Phraggon, 17 avril 2011 - 03:21 .

[Sylvianus]

Yeah, human FTW

[eternalnightmare13]

 The dude that made the six part critique of ME2 and then another guy who made a critque of that critque is the pinnacle of the BS associated with ME2.

The fact there are people hating on ME3 already when hardly anything other then the GI article has come out and a teaser trailer...

I like the games a lot, but the fans not so much...

[AlanC9]

PicdiCr80 wrote...

Very good points people have used against me to be honest and I definitely see what people mean, but I think it should be more about putting yourself in the game but not trying to put the game into reality, if you know what I mean. So immersing yourself in the game is fine but I think some people need to stop taking the game as if it's reality.

Why?

Philosophical debates have always used hypothetical, mythical, and literary examples as a starting point. Plato's Republic is crammed with them.

[lolwut666]

Just because some people don't agree with the Renegade actions, it doesn't mean they don't commit them for the lulz.

It's just that some people like to project their own views of morality into the game for a PT or more, and so when they meet people that do the same, yet picked vastly different choices, they starting arguing.

It causes some interesting discussions, so I see no harm in it.

Just have fun the way you want to. I mean, does it really matter that not everybody in the world plays the game just like you do?

[Sylvianus]

For me, those who should stop playing video games, crossing the line, are those who insult other players like n@zi just because you got played a villain and supported a great villain who commits murderer in the game. These guys are no longer distinguish between reality and fun. roleplay character and true person in the life.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 avril 2011 - 07:29 .

[DRSH]

We like our immersionz... but then again Cerberus <=> ****s?!... obviously we're not playing the same version of Mass Effect 2...

Modifié par DRSH, 17 avril 2011 - 08:39 .

[Haventh]

 I am serious about roleplaying, i put a great deal of thought into it.  However, that does not mean that i think the game is reality.  A forum is for discussing, and people who are very interested in something do tend to take part in discussing many aspects of the thing they like. 

As for the rabid fans, i stand by the sideline, i do not like rabid fans. Though despite what they say, i doubt they would actually do anything, it's just their way of showing their anger i guess. 

And yes, i think thats rather silly, i always try to seperate game & reality or fiction & reality.  In as long as i can remember of my life, i have had internet, on the internet, as in real life, there are people who lacks the ability to show respect for other peoples and their opinions. 

The world is ridiculous my friend, the sooner you realize that, the better. 

[Urdnot Orrad]

DominusVita wrote...

People invest their time and money in a game, for some it becomes a pseudo-reality. When people don't get what they want, they come here to let the company who made it know what didn't work, or what they DO want to see. That's how it works. Creation, and feedback. It's like pingpong with developers and fans. Except besides the ping-pong ball, there's trolls, crazed fans, and a whole bunch of other nonsense bouncing around.

Fun, ain't it?

Funny story: I got Elders Scrolls IV: Oblivion about a year or so ago. I got so sucked into the game, I actually started to feel like it was somewhat real. Like the people in-game actually had thoughts, feelings, etc. That may be worrying to some, but I knew it was still just a game. Sometimes though, I get the feeling that perhaps it's not simply a game. The codes and whatnot that go into the programming are there, but the game is done so well that it seems to take on a life of it's own. And of course, it's fictional to us, but to those put into the game, it is very real. 

I think that is the sign of a truly life-like environment. You actually begin to view the characters as actual entities, not simply NPCs made of code. That is something I truly enjoy.

[slimgrin]

Games fill the gaping hole that a healthy social life would otherwise provide.

Next question.

[Almostfaceman]

I don't think it's because people are taking the game too seriously, I think they're taking discussion too seriously.

Trolling is self-explanatory and always a factor but for the majority of discussion...

People forget to debate the topic and begin to debate about each other.

Joe: Mark, that idea is foolish and stupid.

Mark: I am not foolish and stupid.

People pick inflammatory language.

Joe: That idea is foolish and stupid.
instead of the more polite
Joe: With all due respect I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion.

People enter a discussion with different motivations/expectations.  

Joe is simply stating his opinion so Bioware can read it.  Mark states his opinion to rebut Joe and change Joe's mind.

Joe: Arrival was poorly written and I hate Earth and spaghetti.

Mark: How was Arrival poorly written?  The story does X, Y, & Z perfectly and Earth is our homeland love it or sit in spaghetti.

Joe: Arrival was poorly written and Earth is a giant spaghetti meatball.

Mark: Troll.

[Akizora]

Speculating the moral dilemmas between choices in a game that were created for the very reason of being hard choices with consequences is actually a good thing. Just as people can talk about movies, the characters, their actions and so on - I think we are perfectly entitled to the same thing. But attacking someone for having an opinion or for an action they commited in a game, that is taking it a bit too far. Attacking bioware for not "pleasing you" by doing what you want in the game, is a bit selfish considering there are a few million fans of their games and not everyone wants the same thing.