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[Captmorgan72]

the leader of the city is dead and the leader of the order that is suppose to supervise your kind is now launching a campaign of hate against them. Everyday you watch the templars abuse your fellow mages and force them into tranquility if they speak out against Meredith. One day your friend is the man or woman you know and the next he or she is a mindless puppet. Imagine how that would feel.

Yes, the rule of one bad apple does not make a orchid spoiled applies, but Meridith could have and should have been removed from power for the terrible crimes committed by the templars under her command. But nothing was done and those under her command continued acts of evil.

The mages, realizing that templars are trained to "cancel their magic," knew that drawing on their own blood to fuel their magic would be a magic that the templars have no defense against. Backed up against the wall, against impossible odds, mages would realize that surrender would mean death or tranquility. So they let go of their control and let the spirits take them. What would you do? Enough of these crimes forced enough mages to make this decision and let Merredith say, "see, look at all of the blood mages in this city, I am right."

Modifié par Captmorgan72, 17 avril 2011 - 04:48 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

The Qun demands that you use proper essay formatting and at least two spaces between sentences.

[LobselVith8]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

The Qun demands that you use proper essay formatting and at least two spaces between sentences.

Maybe he does it to spite the Arishok?

Captmorgan72 wrote...

the leader of the city is dead and the leader of the order that is suppose to supervise your kind is now launching a campaign of hate against them.

This is part of the problem. Meredith became the de facto Viscount and was essentially the dictator of Kirkwall while Grand Cleric Elthina did nothing.

Captmorgan72 wrote...

Everyday you watch the templars abuse your fellow mages and force them into tranquility if they speak out against Meredith. One day your friend is the man or woman you know and the next he or she is a mindless puppet. Imagine how that would feel. Yes, the rule of one bad apple does not make a orchid spoiled applies but Meridith could have and should have been removed from power for the terrible crimes committed by the templars under her command.

I think the illegal use of the Rite of Tranquility against Harrowed mages did play a part in why mages wanted to see Meredith removed as Knight-Commander.

Captmorgan72 wrote...

But nothing was done and those under her command continued acts of evil. The mages realizing that templars are trained to "cancel their magic" knew that drawing on their own blood to fuel their magic, would be a magic that the templars have no defense against.

The problem is we never really get to see the denizens of the Gallows, so we don't know if they were anything like the mage antagonists that we ran across as Hawke. We encountered many apostates and maleficarum as the protagonist, but we're ignorant about how the mages living in the Gallows actually were under this dictatorship. The one mage we have communication with in the Gallows is Bethany, and she enjoys teaching children. These people are being condemned to death because of what Anders did - an act of genocide against the Circle of Magi because of the actions of one apostate.

Captmorgan72 wrote...

Backed up against the wall, against impossible odds, mages would realize that surrender would mean death or tranquility, so they let go of their control and let the spirits take them. What would you do? Enough of these crimes forced enough mages to make this decision and let Merredith say, "see, look at all of the blood mages in this city, I am right." 

There's also the fact that templars can nullify ordinary magic, and blood magic gives them an edge in surviving an attack from a templar.

[Eternal Phoenix]

The Qun can shove it.

No matter the excuse of mages, blood magic is wrong. They should fight like real warriors. They cna cast fireballs, heal themselves magically and summon fire storms and then them gaining aid from demons is okay? Nope. They already have an advantage over normal people, summoning demons to fight for them just makes the fight even less fair.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Elton John is dead wrote...

The Qun can shove it.

VASHEDAN!

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 17 avril 2011 - 12:21 .

[LobselVith8]

Elton John is dead wrote...

The Qun can shove it.

No matter the excuse of mages, blood magic is wrong.

The Joining Ritual involves Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic...

...I'm just saying.

[Shacary]

It seemed to e that the mages in Kirkwall had a lot of liberty.. They would go out for days etc, go to the chantry in the evenings etc. I dont deny there may have been a trocities in ther e somewhere but in DAO my lil Mage never even got to go outside before Duncan.
Also any argument to say they couldnt help themselves, they were driven to the blood magic [ I have inferred it is inherently evil or something ] , is like saying every poor man has to shoot his neighbor and steal their wallet or some other extremist move. Its no excuse, they could be frightened.. they could fight imo. Whats magic for if not to light a few toes on fire? or failing that WHY not try a punch or two?
I thought this whole subplot of DA2 to be rather weak imo. and every time someone was angry or scacred they turned into abominations?? REALLY? to unbelievable and to stupid imo, If that were true , mb the templars were right to " abort" mages from the world. I mean seriously people have some control? [ the peeps of Kirkwall i meant]
Why didnt every lil mage kid that was scared being dragged from a home [ did anders say something to that effect? ] turn into an instant abomination. It was like asking one to believe any excessive emotions and add water, Viola` aboms....

edited for  spelling and im sure there is  still  errors there... My  fingers  fail me!

Modifié par Shacary, 17 avril 2011 - 12:35 .

[_Somebody]

Elton John is dead wrote...

The Qun can shove it.

No matter the excuse of mages, blood magic is wrong. They should fight like real warriors. They cna cast fireballs, heal themselves magically and summon fire storms and then them gaining aid from demons is okay? Nope. They already have an advantage over normal people, summoning demons to fight for them just makes the fight even less fair.

You my friend, are worthy of the Order.

[Kawamura]

Elton John is dead wrote...

The Qun can shove it.

No matter the excuse of mages, blood magic is wrong. They should fight like real warriors. They cna cast fireballs, heal themselves magically and summon fire storms and then them gaining aid from demons is okay? Nope. They already have an advantage over normal people, summoning demons to fight for them just makes the fight even less fair.

Blood magic... like the Joining?

EDIT: Because not only am i slow, I'm redundant!

Modifié par Kawamura, 17 avril 2011 - 01:04 .

[Dave of Canada]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Joining Ritual involves Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic...

...I'm just saying.

Blood is a component, not the source.

Just sayin'

[_Somebody]

@Dave

That avatar is awesome.

[Dave of Canada]

Somebody wrote...

@Dave

That avatar is awesome.

Thanks, I'm trying to get that hedgehog. He keeps jumPING AS usual.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 17 avril 2011 - 12:55 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

Well...the way I tend to about it comes from this guy (who I wouldn't say I'm a fan of necessarily, but he has some interesting observations.)

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

There is line that mages have to be wary of crossing.  Not saying that every character who is a blood mage is a monster, but–– the potential for corruption seems to be higher when engaging in that sort of magic.  That's what I think anyways and I hope it makes sense.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 17 avril 2011 - 12:55 .

[_Somebody]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Somebody wrote...

@Dave

That avatar is awesome.

Thanks, I'm trying to get that hedgehog. He keeps jumPING AS usual.

Try pushing the S buttin to use your muscles. 

[Trophonius]

I can understand the reason for Merrill succumbing to blood magic, but whackjobs like Tarohne and Grace have no excuse. They're not content with you letting them go. No, they're more than happy to oblige in sadistic foreplay and steamroll you several times over.

[TEWR]

Dave of Canada wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Joining Ritual involves Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic...

...I'm just saying.

Blood is a component, not the source.

Just sayin'

The Scrying is blood magic, and that was far from bad.

Just sayin'

[Apathy1989]

Elton John is dead wrote...

The Qun can shove it.

No matter the excuse of mages, blood magic is wrong. They should fight like real warriors. They cna cast fireballs, heal themselves magically and summon fire storms and then them gaining aid from demons is okay? Nope. They already have an advantage over normal people, summoning demons to fight for them just makes the fight even less fair.

Blood magic is dangerous, it isn't evil. You open yourself up to becoming an abomination, but as long as you aren't doing human sacrifices to do spells, its not evil.

And of the day though, Templars are extremely proficient at fighting mages, especially 1v1. Now if you cast up a few demons, the fight becomes suddenly one where the mage isn't going to lose by default.

[sassperella]

Kawamura wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

The Qun can shove it.

No matter the excuse of mages, blood magic is wrong. They should fight like real warriors. They cna cast fireballs, heal themselves magically and summon fire storms and then them gaining aid from demons is okay? Nope. They already have an advantage over normal people, summoning demons to fight for them just makes the fight even less fair.

Blood magic... like the Joining?

EDIT: Because not only am i slow, I'm redundant!

Not to mention using phylactaries to hunt down mages by templars... this borders on blood magic too.

[The Angry One]

sassperella wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

The Qun can shove it.

No matter the excuse of mages, blood magic is wrong. They should fight like real warriors. They cna cast fireballs, heal themselves magically and summon fire storms and then them gaining aid from demons is okay? Nope. They already have an advantage over normal people, summoning demons to fight for them just makes the fight even less fair.

Blood magic... like the Joining?

EDIT: Because not only am i slow, I'm redundant!

Not to mention using phylactaries to hunt down mages by templars... this borders on blood magic too.

Not really.
Blood magic is the act of using blood to power spells instead of Lyrium. Neither the Joining or phylactery tracking is powered by blood.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Apathy1989 wrote...
Blood magic is dangerous, it isn't evil. You open yourself up to becoming an abomination, but as long as you aren't doing human sacrifices to do spells, its not evil.

Blood mages aren't any more susceptible to becoming abominations than anybody else. The Kirkwall mages never learned blood magic: their desperation let them from one to two. Their will broke, and once broken, it didn't matter what lines they transgressed. Any magister, who learnt blood magic from books, wouldn't have that issue.

[LobselVith8]

Dave of Canada wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Joining Ritual involves Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic...

...I'm just saying.

Blood is a component, not the source.

Just sayin'

That was the same excuse Finn provided when he said his ritual wasn't blood magic, and he still asked the Warden not to tell anyone about the ritual because it would be seen as blood magic...

...just saying.

The Angry One wrote...

sassperella wrote...

Not to mention using phylactaries to hunt down mages by templars... this borders on blood magic too.

Not really.
Blood magic is the act of using blood to power spells instead of Lyrium. Neither the Joining or phylactery tracking is powered by blood.

Actually, David Gaider referred to the phylacteries as a form of blood magic at PAX.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 17 avril 2011 - 03:52 .

[Kawamura]

The Angry One wrote...

sassperella wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

The Qun can shove it.

No matter the excuse of mages, blood magic is wrong. They should fight like real warriors. They cna cast fireballs, heal themselves magically and summon fire storms and then them gaining aid from demons is okay? Nope. They already have an advantage over normal people, summoning demons to fight for them just makes the fight even less fair.

Blood magic... like the Joining?

EDIT: Because not only am i slow, I'm redundant!

Not to mention using phylactaries to hunt down mages by templars... this borders on blood magic too.

Not really.
Blood magic is the act of using blood to power spells instead of Lyrium. Neither the Joining or phylactery tracking is powered by blood.

Which the Joining and phylacteries seem to do.

It's... a grey area. Probably not the sort of thing you'd like to argue with a Templar about, for example, but it seems like both would be blood magic, er,  thingies.

[Camenae]

The way I see it, blood magic and regular magic are like using gas versus electricity ranges. Neither is really good and bad in and of themselves, just...different. Gas ranges are more powerful, but you're also way more likely to have an accident when there are open flames involved. It's just the nature of the type of energy.

[Dio Demon]

Mankind has was main instinct and that is to survive, so if you threaten someone's life just know that someone will do everything in their power to survive.

[Sundance31us]

I should like to point out that not all the mages turned to blood magic, including my mage Hawk who sided with the Templars.