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[dreepa]

Hey,

I just came across this video:

http://www.ea.com/au...OPY1065140aRCRD

Maik Laidlaw talking about DA:O being not regular fantasy but being dark, being more challenging... being more "mature" and the combat is more "grown up"...

Somehow I think that he should ve rememberd his own words before making DA2 *G*

[Lumikki]

There is nothing more mature in DA2 or DAO when compared, they are the same. Only reason why people use word "mature" related these games is because they dislike of one of the game and use "not mature" as insult. That's childish behavior. So, it's joke when these people talk about "mature" in both games.

Modifié par Lumikki, 17 avril 2011 - 12:39 .

[dreepa]

I find teleporting warriors with instant attacks rather conventional. In DAO I had the feeling of a "different game" that stands out on the masses... when I saw meredith flying through the air like a ninja I felt dragged back to standard RPGs I ve played a dozen times.
Dunno, maybe its just me, but I experienced the combat and the dialogues (especially in camp) much more mature than all the generic quests in DA2 (except maybe the qunari part, which was neraly philosophical)....

[shnizzler93]

you lost my at "" in the title

[DeathStride]

Lumikki wrote...
There is nothing more mature in DA2 or DAO when compared, they are the same. Only reason why people use word
"mature" related these games is because they dislike of one of the game and use "not mature" as insult. That's childish behavior. So, it's joke when these people talk about "mature" in both games.

Actually, the sex scenes are definitely more "mature" in Origins. I was very disappointed that BW backpedaled on those in 2.

On the other hand, the dialogue is more "mature" in DA2. That I approve of.

Modifié par DeathStride, 17 avril 2011 - 01:02 .

[Persephone]

DeathStride wrote...

Lumikki wrote...
There is nothing more mature in DA2 or DAO when compared, they are the same. Only reason why people use word
"mature" related these games is because they dislike of one of the game and use "not mature" as insult. That's childish behavior. So, it's joke when these people talk about "mature" in both games.

Actually, the sex scenes are definitely more "mature" in Origins. I was very disappointed that BW backpedaled on those in 2.

On the other hand, the dialogue is more "mature" in DA2. That I approve of.

Hehehe. I thought the "sex" scenes in ugly bikinis (So Morri wears an entirely non medieval bra all of a sudden?) to be embarassing. Much preferred the fade to black where I could use my dirty imagination.

[Lumikki]

I don't compare games based few details, but as total experience. I do agree that Meredith was out of world experience, like end battle in ME1 too. (Superman vs Terminator feeling). Sometimes developers make small mistakes, but we should not judge hole game based small details.

[DeathStride]

Persephone wrote...

DeathStride wrote...
Actually, the sex scenes are definitely more "mature" in Origins. I was very disappointed that BW backpedaled on those in 2.

On the other hand, the dialogue is more "mature" in DA2. That I approve of.

Hehehe. I thought the "sex" scenes in ugly bikinis (So Morri wears an entirely non medieval bra all of a sudden?) to be embarassing. Much preferred the fade to black where I could use my dirty imagination.

I completely agree that the undergarments for the Origins sex scenes were beyond tacky but I would prefer even that to the complete censorship they used in 2. Ideally, a best of both worlds approach would be used- the undergarments that female Hawke wears are quite stylish, so use the 2 undergarment style and Origins actual depiction of something happening instead of the cop-out fade to black approach that 2 used.

Lumikki wrote...
I don't compare games based few details,
but as total experience. I do agree that Meredith was out of world
experience, like end battle in ME1 too. (Superman vs Terminator
feeling). Sometimes developers make small mistakes, but we should not
judge whole game based small details.

The sex scene censorhip was only one of the many reasons I am disappointed with DA2, not the only one. I'm not one of the "haters" that rage on and on about how terrible the game is and how they returned it or plan to return it etc. but I also don't think DA2 is even close to as good as Origins in many aspects.[/color]

[daemon1129]

dreepa wrote...

Hey,

I just came across this video:

http://www.ea.com/au...OPY1065140aRCRD

Maik Laidlaw talking about DA:O being not regular fantasy but being dark, being more challenging... being more "mature" and the combat is more "grown up"...

Somehow I think that he should ve rememberd his own words before making DA2 *G*

Combat is more "grown up"?  So what about DA2's combat? Only litte kids would believe real combat would have you doing a backflip to kick a flask at your enemy when you can just freaking throw it.  Oh also when slice your enemies, they explode into strawberries.  DA2 combat was much more immature than DAO ever was.  Explain to me why on earth was the sequel's combat getting stupidier from grown up into litte kids fantasy?  Is it to attract the CoD crowd?  If thats the case, than Bioware is insulting them by saying CoD crowd would like kid's stuff instead of "Grown up" combat.

[Rockpopple]

There wasn't any censorship in the sex scenes in DA II. There just didn't show the sex. "Fade to black" has been used in movies, television and even novels to depict sex scenes since these mediums were invented.

Censorship would be... say a character taking off their clothes and a big black bar covering their naughty bits. Or a magical brassiere appearing out of nowhere on a character that when actually clothed is known not to wear brasseries. Or if you knew for a fact that there was a more explicit sex cutscene that was removed or modified to the version that's in game. That's censorship. And yeah, I've seen the valentines pictures. No proof that those were a part of the original package, and not just promotional material.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 avril 2011 - 01:44 .

[Rockpopple]

daemon1129 wrote...

dreepa wrote...

Hey,

I just came across this video:

http://www.ea.com/au...OPY1065140aRCRD

Maik Laidlaw talking about DA:O being not regular fantasy but being dark, being more challenging... being more "mature" and the combat is more "grown up"...

Somehow I think that he should ve rememberd his own words before making DA2 *G*

Combat is more "grown up"?  So what about DA2's combat? Only litte kids would believe real combat would have you doing a backflip to kick a flask at your enemy when you can just freaking throw it.  Oh also when slice your enemies, they explode into strawberries.  DA2 combat was much more immature than DAO ever was.  Explain to me why on earth was the sequel's combat getting stupidier from grown up into litte kids fantasy?  Is it to attract the CoD crowd?  If thats the case, than Bioware is insulting them by saying CoD crowd would like kid's stuff instead of "Grown up" combat.

More ad-hominum attacks at people who enjoy DA II or enjoy the combat aspects of DA II. As per usual.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 avril 2011 - 01:45 .

[daemon1129]

Rockpopple wrote...

daemon1129 wrote...

dreepa wrote...

Hey,

I just came across this video:

http://www.ea.com/au...OPY1065140aRCRD

Maik Laidlaw talking about DA:O being not regular fantasy but being dark, being more challenging... being more "mature" and the combat is more "grown up"...

Somehow I think that he should ve rememberd his own words before making DA2 *G*

Combat is more "grown up"?  So what about DA2's combat? Only litte kids would believe real combat would have you doing a backflip to kick a flask at your enemy when you can just freaking throw it.  Oh also when slice your enemies, they explode into strawberries.  DA2 combat was much more immature than DAO ever was.  Explain to me why on earth was the sequel's combat getting stupidier from grown up into litte kids fantasy?  Is it to attract the CoD crowd?  If thats the case, than Bioware is insulting them by saying CoD crowd would like kid's stuff instead of "Grown up" combat.

More ad-hominum attacks at people who enjoy DA II or enjoy the combat aspects of DA II. As per usual.

I was only bashing the combat animations, I didn't say anyting about the gameplay being childish or not.  I really don't see why anyone would go from "grown up" to less grown up in the sequel.

[marshalleck]

Most Bioware games are Disney dark. I just ignore them whenever they start talking about how their next game is going to be so gritty and mature and grimdark.

[Merced652]

daemon1129 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

daemon1129 wrote...

dreepa wrote...

Hey,

I just came across this video:

http://www.ea.com/au...OPY1065140aRCRD

Maik Laidlaw talking about DA:O being not regular fantasy but being dark, being more challenging... being more "mature" and the combat is more "grown up"...

Somehow I think that he should ve rememberd his own words before making DA2 *G*

Combat is more "grown up"?  So what about DA2's combat? Only litte kids would believe real combat would have you doing a backflip to kick a flask at your enemy when you can just freaking throw it.  Oh also when slice your enemies, they explode into strawberries.  DA2 combat was much more immature than DAO ever was.  Explain to me why on earth was the sequel's combat getting stupidier from grown up into litte kids fantasy?  Is it to attract the CoD crowd?  If thats the case, than Bioware is insulting them by saying CoD crowd would like kid's stuff instead of "Grown up" combat.

More ad-hominum attacks at people who enjoy DA II or enjoy the combat aspects of DA II. As per usual.

I was only bashing the combat animations, I didn't say anyting about the gameplay being childish or not.  I really don't see why anyone would go from "grown up" to less grown up in the sequel.

No you did insult him because you made him feel guilty because he liked them or because he chooses to associate with the crowd who does. 

[haroldhardluck]

DeathStride wrote...
I completely agree that the undergarments for the Origins sex scenes were beyond tacky but I would prefer even that to the complete censorship they used in 2. Ideally, a best of both worlds approach would be used- the undergarments that female Hawke wears are quite stylish, so use the 2 undergarment style and Origins actual depiction of something happening instead of the cop-out fade to black approach that 2 used.

The "censorship" used in DAO and DA2 is standard in the entertainment industry to meet industry standards. Despite the large number of adult gamers, the predominate player are still under 18. The DA games are M which means 17 year olds can play it. Most video games are purchased by a mother for her kids so that 17 age limit is important. So while some 16 year olds can get away with getting the game by themselves, most have to have their mother buy it for them. The closest the gaming industry allows for nudity is for non-humans as in the Neverwinter series where you had some fully nude dryads in non-sex scenes. So the non-nude scenes are the closest any company can get to sex in a game without killing sales.

Violence is a different matter. In the USA you can get away with lots of gore. However in Sweden violences is a no no and in the UK violence against children is banned but you can chop up all the adults you want. I suspect the DA games are highly bowdlerized when it comes to the gore in Europe.

Harold

[elearon1]

DA2 deal with more mature themes in a personal way; slavery, murder, loss of loved ones, religion, moral ambiguity - while Origins had all these things, they were held at arms length most of the time. (except in the City Elf origin where rape features fairly prominently ... though the noble human origin wasn't too bad) Well, aside from moral ambiguity, actually; Origins almost always had a "right" answer and option in quests.

Also, the relationships spend more time developing in DA2, where Origins rushes them along at a pretty good clip.

As for combat? What is "more mature" in a game where you are killing hundreds of sentient people throughout and never losing sleep over it? I guess DA2 could - maybe - claim to be more mature in this area, because you aren't always killing patently evil enemies like the Darkspawn; but then neither are you in the Orzimar mission in DA:O (who is "wrong" between the two would be rulers?) ... and neither game actually makes you stop and ask "is it right to kill people?".

I'd actually love to see a game wherein - at least during the first act - you are only forced to kill one person and the moral weight of it is fully explored by your character.

[Orlomm]

haroldhardluck wrote...

So the non-nude scenes are the closest any company can get to sex in a game without killing sales.

Rockstar did it in Red Dead Redemption.

The woman was only topless but they still did.

[TheStrand221]

haroldhardluck wrote...

DeathStride wrote...
I completely agree that the undergarments for the Origins sex scenes were beyond tacky but I would prefer even that to the complete censorship they used in 2. Ideally, a best of both worlds approach would be used- the undergarments that female Hawke wears are quite stylish, so use the 2 undergarment style and Origins actual depiction of something happening instead of the cop-out fade to black approach that 2 used.

The "censorship" used in DAO and DA2 is standard in the entertainment industry to meet industry standards. Despite the large number of adult gamers, the predominate player are still under 18. The DA games are M which means 17 year olds can play it. Most video games are purchased by a mother for her kids so that 17 age limit is important. So while some 16 year olds can get away with getting the game by themselves, most have to have their mother buy it for them. The closest the gaming industry allows for nudity is for non-humans as in the Neverwinter series where you had some fully nude dryads in non-sex scenes. So the non-nude scenes are the closest any company can get to sex in a game without killing sales.

Violence is a different matter. In the USA you can get away with lots of gore. However in Sweden violences is a no no and in the UK violence against children is banned but you can chop up all the adults you want. I suspect the DA games are highly bowdlerized when it comes to the gore in Europe.

Harold

While the perception that gamers are under 18 lingers, this hasn't been true for a very long time.  In 2008, the average American gamer had been playing for 12 years and was, on average, 35 years of age.

Plenty of games can, and do, have content intended for an adult audience and sell well.  The Witcher 2 is likely to be one of these, and you could find numerous examples among the Grand Theft Auto series and other games.

[Rockpopple]

Merced652 wrote...

No you did insult him because you made him feel guilty because he liked them or because he chooses to associate with the crowd who does. 

Heh heh. Amazing.

See, I would ask that you not go ahead and presume to know what's in my mind and what I'm thinking and what my motivations are... but this is you we're talking about - one of the most immature and inane posters on this board.

So I'm not gonna bother with that. Don't worry about it, bro. 

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 avril 2011 - 05:04 .

[erynnar]

Rockpopple wrote...

daemon1129 wrote...

dreepa wrote...

Hey,

I just came across this video:

http://www.ea.com/au...OPY1065140aRCRD

Maik Laidlaw talking about DA:O being not regular fantasy but being dark, being more challenging... being more "mature" and the combat is more "grown up"...

Somehow I think that he should ve rememberd his own words before making DA2 *G*

Combat is more "grown up"?  So what about DA2's combat? Only litte kids would believe real combat would have you doing a backflip to kick a flask at your enemy when you can just freaking throw it.  Oh also when slice your enemies, they explode into strawberries.  DA2 combat was much more immature than DAO ever was.  Explain to me why on earth was the sequel's combat getting stupidier from grown up into litte kids fantasy?  Is it to attract the CoD crowd?  If thats the case, than Bioware is insulting them by saying CoD crowd would like kid's stuff instead of "Grown up" combat.

More ad-hominum attacks at people who enjoy DA II or enjoy the combat aspects of DA II. As per usual.

Sorry to disagree, but I loved the flask kicking animation, and my rogues flips and tumbles. And Rockpopple is right, infering people who like the game are stupid or childish is not cool. Please, try again and point out what you don't like about the combat, your personal opinion, without denigrating those that don't agree.

[Mad-Max90]

The new dialogue in the game was not mature that was the way me and my friends talked in 5th grade, with all the sexual innuendos and everything like that, granted we were not the best kids we had the vocabulary of a tarentino movie, but if felt immature to me

[Rockpopple]

If you're talking about Isabela (and since she's the only character in the game that uses sexual innuendo aside from Hawke, I'm assuming you are), that was kinda the point. She's the most immature character in the game on purpose. She's just having fun.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 avril 2011 - 05:32 .

[Mad-Max90]

^ that's the thing it wasn't just her, others would join in too, it all felt immature to me, well except for Sebastien the only beacon of hope for a solid character that wasn't always brooding or being sexual

[Mad-Max90]

A games dialog shouldn't rely on cursewords to be mature, I was merely stating that me and my merry band of friends cursed more than a convention of sailers, we were immature, the character banter was very immature to me, like I said it's my opinion, I'm sorry but I doubt you are going to change my point of view

[erynnar]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

A games dialog shouldn't rely on cursewords to be mature, I was merely stating that me and my merry band of friends cursed more than a convention of sailers, we were immature, the character banter was very immature to me, like I said it's my opinion, I'm sorry but I doubt you are going to change my point of view

I admit I felt it was more like "Twilight", than "Interview with a Vampire" in terms of dialogue and convos. For me it wasn't Isabela, but some of the dialogue you had with your companions in their homes.