In the first game Soverign and Vigil talked about the cycle. The Reapers come, wipe out all the civilizations, leave, and then reuturn when life starts back up again. Was it ever mentioned what happened before the Protheans were wiped out? Correct me if I am wrong but it had been 50,000 years since their existence so if there was a cycle there would have to be civilizations before the Protheans right?
So Who was before the Protheans?
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 02:40
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Whatever you want to imagine from the dozens of clues to extinct species dotted around the game world. Ain't that the beauty of it?
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 02:41
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yes there were more civilizations it is explained that no one knew the civilizations before them, but we know about the protheans because they were the first ones to fight back against the reapers and they failed and left info for us to try and destroy them again (im pretty sure)
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 02:43
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Operation_141 wrote...
In the first game Soverign and Vigil talked about the cycle. The Reapers come, wipe out all the civilizations, leave, and then reuturn when life starts back up again. Was it ever mentioned what happened before the Protheans were wiped out? Correct me if I am wrong but it had been 50,000 years since their existence so if there was a cycle there would have to be civilizations before the Protheans right?
We know that one Reaper was 37,000,000 years old so its not unreasonable to assume that others are too.
If the Reapers harvest space faring life every 50,000 years or so then there have been at least 740 Reaper Cycles.
I'd say, yes, there were quite a few races before the Protheans.
*Edit* Also for all we know that 37 million year old Reaper was considered a baby by the rest of the Reapers.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 02:45
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The Nereuns. And nobody is going to get the mythology reference.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 02:53
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The primary idea being that, depending on the myth, Nereus was the father of Proteus, who Bioware possibly named the Protheans after.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 04:30
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Which means the society before the Nereuns was the Gaiaiens?
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 04:39
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 04:52
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shnizzler93 wrote...
http://masseffect.wi...annon#Inusannon
I followed that link to the planet they warred over, and saw the "Trivia" part on that page... I laughed so hard....
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 05:01
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The real question OP is what did the Reapers really do with all these 740 plus past civilizations after they were harvested and why? Im assuming you havent played ME2 yet, but while there are some major clues on this issue in the sequel, much is still a mystery.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 05:06
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They weren't the first race to fight back/kill a reaper.dleo95 wrote...
yes there were more civilizations it is explained that no one knew the civilizations before them, but we know about the protheans because they were the first ones to fight back against the reapers and they failed and left info for us to try and destroy them again (im pretty sure)
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 05:17
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IntrepidProdigy wrote...
They weren't the first race to fight back/kill a reaper.dleo95 wrote...
yes there were more civilizations it is explained that no one knew the civilizations before them, but we know about the protheans because they were the first ones to fight back against the reapers and they failed and left info for us to try and destroy them again (im pretty sure)
Indeed, hence the fact that we know that one of the Reapers was 37 million years old.
I've also speculated before that perhaps the Protheans were not as special as we think, there may have been quite a few races in previous cycles that have found various ways to throw a spanner in the works. We don't know of them because the Reapers have closed these avenues each time they have been discovered.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 05:21
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load of Crap ...
Where would all those civilisations get resources from ?
Look at what we did with 1 planet over few years. And you are telling me there were 740 civilisations? capable of space travel ?
Where would all those civilisations get resources from ?
Look at what we did with 1 planet over few years. And you are telling me there were 740 civilisations? capable of space travel ?
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 05:25
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Creator001 wrote...
load of Crap ...
Where would all those civilisations get resources from ?
Look at what we did with 1 planet over few years. And you are telling me there were 740 civilisations? capable of space travel ?
Over the space of 37,000,000 years? You tell me?
I might also point out that these races are not all coming from the same dozen or so planets.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 05:32
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The Forerunners and the Precursors! Wait... wrong universe.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 05:34
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Ever since that little chat with TIM I've wondered if the reaper plan to leave one of their own behind was recent to the species before the Protheans, due to the reapers running into the unpredictable so often.Dave666 wrote...
IntrepidProdigy wrote...
They weren't the first race to fight back/kill a reaper.dleo95 wrote...
yes there were more civilizations it is explained that no one knew the civilizations before them, but we know about the protheans because they were the first ones to fight back against the reapers and they failed and left info for us to try and destroy them again (im pretty sure)
Indeed, hence the fact that we know that one of the Reapers was 37 million years old.
I've also speculated before that perhaps the Protheans were not as special as we think, there may have been quite a few races in previous cycles that have found various ways to throw a spanner in the works. We don't know of them because the Reapers have closed these avenues each time they have been discovered.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 06:46
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Creator001 wrote...
load of Crap ...
Where would all those civilisations get resources from ?
Look at what we did with 1 planet over few years. And you are telling me there were 740 civilisations? capable of space travel ?
That, and the galaxy is big, really big. You just won't believe how
vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a
long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to the galaxy. By ME2 less than 1% (less than 1%!) of the whole Milky Way had been explored, much less mined and exploited. There's plenty of resources to go around for a long time yet.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 06:27
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The Keepers?
Haven't they been around as long as the Citadel itself and arn't they also one of teh very first Alien speices that the Reapers defeated/enslaved/altered.
Haven't they been around as long as the Citadel itself and arn't they also one of teh very first Alien speices that the Reapers defeated/enslaved/altered.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 06:37
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Raizo wrote...
The Keepers?
Haven't they been around as long as the Citadel itself and arn't they also one of teh very first Alien speices that the Reapers defeated/enslaved/altered.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was speculation on Vigil's part.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 06:45
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looloolooigotsomeapples wrote...
Raizo wrote...
The Keepers?
Haven't they been around as long as the Citadel itself and arn't they also one of teh very first Alien speices that the Reapers defeated/enslaved/altered.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was speculation on Vigil's part.
True, that's why I had a question mark ( ? ) there. At the very least they do seem to have been around alot longer than the Potheans.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 06:54
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Dave666 wrote...
We know that one Reaper was 37,000,000 years old so its not unreasonable to assume that others are too.
If the Reapers harvest space faring life every 50,000 years or so then there have been at least 740 Reaper Cycles.
I'd say, yes, there were quite a few races before the Protheans.
*Edit* Also for all we know that 37 million year old Reaper was considered a baby by the rest of the Reapers.
This.
Before protheans were many extinction cycles and races. I dont know if they are the direct predecessors but citadel keepers were one of them i believe.
Thorian was also older than the prothean extinction, and like some mentioned inusannon and Arthenn races also were known to exist before last reaping.
OFF topic NOTE= vigil said it took reapers few centuries to chase and erase completely the protheans before they retired again to the darkspace. So if they resisted that many years they should have posses pretty amazing tech.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 07:32
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There must have been many cycles, but it seems the Reapers only turned 3 species into Reapers. By that I mean there are the Sovereign-looking Reapers, the Harbinger-looking Reapers, and the Human-Reaper. So unless the Reapers "ascended" other species into a Sovereign or Harbinger shell, they have found very few species worthy of anything but extermination. Well, except for the Keepers and the Collectors.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how and when the cycle began. At least once species had to have come up with a weapon to fight the Reapers. It may have been too little, too late, and maybe the weapon is useless since the Reapers probably found it and incorporated the tech into their own.
And although our galaxy is vast and there are a lot of resources, only a fraction of a percent of the galaxy's worlds can support life. Are they enough to have allowed so many extinction cycles? I don't really know or care. It's fine if Bioware took some artistic licence with that, since astrophysicists disagree on the number of life-supporting planets, let alone what is actually necessary for life to evolve.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how and when the cycle began. At least once species had to have come up with a weapon to fight the Reapers. It may have been too little, too late, and maybe the weapon is useless since the Reapers probably found it and incorporated the tech into their own.
And although our galaxy is vast and there are a lot of resources, only a fraction of a percent of the galaxy's worlds can support life. Are they enough to have allowed so many extinction cycles? I don't really know or care. It's fine if Bioware took some artistic licence with that, since astrophysicists disagree on the number of life-supporting planets, let alone what is actually necessary for life to evolve.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 08:05
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mjh417 wrote...
The real question OP is what did the Reapers really do with all these 740 plus past civilizations after they were harvested and why? Im assuming you havent played ME2 yet, but while there are some major clues on this issue in the sequel, much is still a mystery.
I have played ME 2 many times.
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Posté 17 avril 2011 - 08:13
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Also, the Leviathan of Dis (if it is real and if it's a Reaper, but since it's described as a genetically engineered spaceship, I'm thinking it's a Reaper) is a billion years old. If that is the oldest Reaper, that means there have been 20,000 extinction cycles. And some of the planets that were wiped out had species that didn't even develop space travel. Why would the Reapers destroy them as well?
