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[jds1bio]

When escaping Lothering, I picked up a vial of Darkspawn Blood. 

When we encountered Flemeth, they gave Wesley a mercy killing while the vial sat in the junk drawer. 

He might have died anyway, but perhaps he could have survived the Joining.  But no one knew anything about the ritual.  Oh cruel twist of fate!

Apparently they really know how to keep a secret in Thedas.

[savagesparrow]

It also requires a bit of lyrium, too, from what I remember. And that fancy cup.

[The Angry One]

savagesparrow wrote...

It also requires a bit of lyrium, too, from what I remember. And that fancy cup.

Lyrium and some magic preparation or the blood of an archdemon.
Neither was handy around the blightlands I imagine.

[Amagoi]

And you could have easily have saved the Dalish elf Pol if Hawke was a mage or if you had Anders around.

Saving a life sure is hard outside of combat.

[Mnemnosyne]

Amagoi wrote...

And you could have easily have saved the Dalish elf Pol if Hawke was a mage or if you had Anders around.

Saving a life sure is hard outside of combat.

If Pol had still been alive, I would have wanted to murderknife him myself for that, not save him.

[mesmerizedish]

Amagoi wrote...

And you could have easily have saved the Dalish elf Pol if Hawke was a mage or if you had Anders around.

Saving a life sure is hard outside of combat.

If you have Anders around, Merrill is all "You can heal anyone, help him!," and Anders says "He's dead, what a shame."

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Except for the fact that Hawke also couldn't know about the Joining. It's a Grey Warden secret.

[The Angry One]

Koyasha wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

And you could have easily have saved the Dalish elf Pol if Hawke was a mage or if you had Anders around.

Saving a life sure is hard outside of combat.

If Pol had still been alive, I would have wanted to murderknife him myself for that, not save him.

Agreed. Some people are just too stupid to live.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Except for the fact that Hawke also couldn't know about the Joining. It's a Grey Warden secret.

I am Hawke and Hawke is me. I know, therefore Hawke should know through the power of meta-gaming!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Hawke obviously wanted to get rid of some competition.

[Camenae]

Why is the darkspawn taint so incurable? Anders can heal all of Isabela's myriad of STD's but can't heal the taint?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Camenae wrote...

Why is the darkspawn taint so incurable? Anders can heal all of Isabela's myriad of STD's but can't heal the taint?

Because the Maker sent it to punish people, of course.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Why is any incurable disease incurable?

[Camenae]

Yeah well of course I know it HAS to be incurable for plot purposes...just seems to me that when magical healing is involved, you wouldn't be in the same situation as us mere mortals back in the Dark Ages when consumption was an "incurable" disease.

[The Angry One]

And yet Leandra's parents died of cholera.
What, are spirit healers not allowed to work even on nobles? The chantry is made of stupid!

[Camenae]

Oh man I forgot about the cholera thing. I don't know how I did because that's the point at which I began to have a lot of respect for Gamlen. He took care of his parents (albeit not well enough to get them a Mage healer) when both of them had cholera?? That is one messy disease, involving lots of vomiting and diarrhea. Impressive for him to be around one let alone two cholera patients at the same time.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Camenae wrote...

Yeah well of course I know it HAS to be incurable for plot purposes...just seems to me that when magical healing is involved, you wouldn't be in the same situation as us mere mortals back in the Dark Ages when consumption was an "incurable" disease.

Well it's not as if the taint is a real world disease. It's an especially virrulent sickness int it's own world's story. It's a magical affliction of sorts in it's own right isn't it?

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 17 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[The Angry One]

Gamlen's crap with money and a jerk but it's obvious he loves his family deeply, he doesn't hesitate to give away a valuable possession to that urchin to get info on Leandra when she goes missing for instance.
At least one nuanced character they didn't completely destroy by the end, then.

[Esbatty]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Except for the fact that Hawke also couldn't know about the Joining. It's a Grey Warden secret.

Flemeth knows how the Grey Wardens and the Joining works, but Flemeth promised to help get your family to safety in exchange for the favor. An active Templar in your group when you arrive in Templar country while being or having an Apostate in your family doesn't seem very "safe". Besides Flemeth identifies with Bethany/Mage Hawke.

[Snowbug]

Esbatty wrote...

Flemeth knows how the Grey Wardens and the Joining works, but Flemeth promised to help get your family to safety in exchange for the favor. An active Templar in your group when you arrive in Templar country while being or having an Apostate in your family doesn't seem very "safe". Besides Flemeth identifies with Bethany/Mage Hawke.

Flemeth has no sympathy for templars in general. I doubt she would offer to help one in any case.

[Sidney]

Death and/or dying in general in these games makes no sense as something to be feared. Magic can heal and magic can resurrect - I mean in Awakenings a guy dies from a flippin' broken leg desipte me having a both spells and potions to solve his problem.. You'd think Sebastian's family would have access tosomeone who could raise the dead then that whole thing goes away.

[Snowbug]

Sidney wrote...

Death and/or dying in general in these games makes no sense as something to be feared. Magic can heal and magic can resurrect - I mean in Awakenings a guy dies from a flippin' broken leg desipte me having a both spells and potions to solve his problem.. You'd think Sebastian's family would have access tosomeone who could raise the dead then that whole thing goes away.

The lore states that magic has no power to resurrect those who are actually dead. It can bring back someone from the brink of death, however.

Modifié par Snowbug, 17 avril 2011 - 11:12 .

[TobiTobsen]

Why exactly would anybody save Wesley? Mr. "The Order dictates!" would have arrested Bethany or Hawke as soon as they entered Kirkwall.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

If you have Anders around, Merrill is all "You can heal anyone, help him!," and Anders says "He's dead, what a shame."

I suspect that Anders is just a dick. I mean... c'mon... look how he and Fenris treat Merrill directly afterwards. It's not that hard for me to think that Anders could have ressurected him, but didn't just to show Merrill how evil she is. Damn hypocrite.

[Elhanan]

It would have seemed rather fitting as a dialogue option if Flemeth had cut her palm with a knife, and placed her blood into a cup along with a pinch of lyrium dust and the aforementioned vial of Darkspawn plasma, then have Wesley die anyway. This would have been a cool substitute for having forced Anders along for the secret in the Deeproads later.

Modifié par Elhanan, 17 avril 2011 - 10:02 .

[Suron]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Except for the fact that Hawke also couldn't know about the Joining. It's a Grey Warden secret.

yah such a secret that anyone plot dictates knows without having to be told.

face it, the "secret" is bs...in Origins, everyone and their cat knew about it.