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[MJRick]

I still dont see whats so amazing about The Witcher 2

[Gorath Alpha]

I wonder whether this is relevant any more or not, but does everyone who has tried both DAO and The Witcher realize that CD Projekt used the previous (NWN) Bioware game engine to develop their first game? I use an older PC for my web surfing and message forum activity, and neither Bethesda's nor CD Projekt's color schemes are compatible with CRTs, which is whiat I have on that machine. I can't read The Witcher 2's traffic well at all, so I don't know what engine they are using for it.

[Timon44]

Hey I have a crazy idea: How about the people who don't like The Witcher let the people who like The Witcher enjoy the game? And how about the people who don't like DA2 let everyone else who is having fun playing it keep having fun?

I know it sounds stupid but still...

[Seagloom]

Crazy talk! Logic has no place on BSN! 

[Addai]

The Witcher is a great game, amazingly great considering what they had to work with. I enjoyed it. I like Bioware games, too. Crazy, I know.

[slimgrin]

blothulfur wrote...

Breasts, banter, bastards and broadswords.

The stuff of legends right Boo.

So long as they're good i'll invite both to my boudoir and share many hours of sweet imaginative fun with them, i'm a gaming harlot and I cannot lie.

I think you're our resident bard, blothulfur. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 avril 2011 - 05:08 .

[blothulfur]

With kitchen prose and gutter rhyme, god help the poor english language.

[KenKenpachi]

How did this go from what games you would bring with you on an island to another Witcher topic? tsk tsk tsk.

[Shirosaki17]

Gorath Alpha wrote...
 I can't read The Witcher 2's traffic well at all, so I don't know what engine they are using for it. 

They supposedly built their own engine for Witcher 2. I think it's called Havok. Check Wikipedia.

[slimgrin]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Gorath Alpha wrote...
 I can't read The Witcher 2's traffic well at all, so I don't know what engine they are using for it. 

They supposedly built their own engine for Witcher 2. I think it's called Havok. Check Wikipedia.

They used Havok for physics, but its called Red Engine.

[Monica83]

IM a proud owner of dragon age origins and also a proud owner of the witcher...

But DA2 its not a sequel its a total different game...

The witcher 2 feels like a true sequel with many improved aspect....

[Timon44]

That's pretty much what I have been saying even though I didn't phrase it very well.

Edit: Oh, now that I see your nickname your comment makes complete sense.

Modifié par Timon44, 17 avril 2011 - 09:19 .

[Maverick827]

I just have a hard time getting behind a game that is stuck in between genres. It's an Action/Adventure game in which we play a character who is defined in an entire series of novels yet we also get to choose what he says and (presumably) believes?

It would be like the next Arkham Asylum or Devil May Cry game tacking on a dialog selector for Batman or Dante: it just seems like something that should be erased from a dry board and never brought up again. Many opponents might claim that the same thing happens in Dragon Age - and how we were "stuck" with a pre-defined character - but there is a large difference between many novels already written about a character and a character simply coming from some place and having some amount of family.

In that example I am, of course, referring to a Cousland in Origins and not Hawke.

I suppose it comes down to the question "what does this game offer that makes it worth playing?"

Does it allow me to create my own character? Not really; so why shouldn't I just play Dragon Age again?

Does it offer me some great swordplay and action? Not really; the engine is rather clunky for this type of game, and the combat seems to be entirely roll-based (not a roll of a die - physically rolling around on the ground). Why not just play Assassin's Creed or Devil May Cry again? After all, I'm going to have a pre-defined protagonist either way. Hell, if Devil May Cry is too far out of the type of fantasy I might want to play in this hypothetical positing, why not just play the upcoming Dragon's Dogma, a western-set fantasy RPG by Capcom?

I suppose there's an argument to be made that if I want a game that can do all of these to an average degree, then The Witcher would fit that bill.

[naughty99]

Maverick827 wrote...

I just have a hard time getting behind a game that is stuck in between genres. It's an Action/Adventure game in which we play a character who is defined in an entire series of novels yet we also get to choose what he says and (presumably) believes?

It would be like the next Arkham Asylum or Devil May Cry game tacking on a dialog selector for Batman or Dante: it just seems like something that should be erased from a dry board and never brought up again. Many opponents might claim that the same thing happens in Dragon Age - and how we were "stuck" with a pre-defined character - but there is a large difference between many novels already written about a character and a character simply coming from some place and having some amount of family.

In that example I am, of course, referring to a Cousland in Origins and not Hawke.

I suppose it comes down to the question "what does this game offer that makes it worth playing?"

Does it allow me to create my own character? Not really; so why shouldn't I just play Dragon Age again?

Does it offer me some great swordplay and action? Not really; the engine is rather clunky for this type of game, and the combat seems to be entirely roll-based (not a roll of a die - physically rolling around on the ground). Why not just play Assassin's Creed or Devil May Cry again? After all, I'm going to have a pre-defined protagonist either way. Hell, if Devil May Cry is too far out of the type of fantasy I might want to play in this hypothetical positing, why not just play the upcoming Dragon's Dogma, a western-set fantasy RPG by Capcom?

I suppose there's an argument to be made that if I want a game that can do all of these to an average degree, then The Witcher would fit that bill.

I find it hard to believe you would have this opinion after completing a playthrough of Witcher 1. 

The Witcher is most definitely an RPG, and comparing it to games like Arkham Asylum doesn't make sense to me.

The clunkiness of the NWN engine certainly has some limitations, but the story and characters are very engaging and after playing for a few hours it grew on me. By the time I finished the game, I was a big fan of this character and the series. And for TW2, they have created a brand new engine.

There are quite a few very memorable scenes. 

[Bryy_Miller]

Monica83 wrote...

IM a proud owner of dragon age origins and also a proud owner of the witcher...

But DA2 its not a sequel its a total different game...

The witcher 2 feels like a true sequel with many improved aspect....

Are we all cyborgs in the future?

[AlanC9]

That might be a little subtle for Monica, Bryy.

[Maria Caliban]

I plan to pick up the Witcher 2 but am looking forward to DX:HR, Skyrim, and Diablo III far more. As a pre-defined character, I don't find Geralt all that compelling, the first game felt clunky to me, and I quit because of the loading times.

Romantiq wrote...

If I was stranded on an island I would bring heroes of might and magic games with me.

Anyone else?

I'd opt for a vibrator and a mini-fridge.

[Bryy_Miller]

AlanC9 wrote...

That might be a little subtle for Monica, Bryy.

.... I'm a little offended that might have been a reference I did not intend to make.

[HoonDing]

I can't wait for the "Bethesda vs BioWare" threads a few months from now when everybody has forgotten about TW2.

[88mphSlayer]

i would bring bethesda's games with me if i were stranded on an island

as for people bringing up CD Projekt RED's next big game? DA2 and TW2 are both dark medieval fantasy games but DA2 is a disappointment for some and TW2 already looks better quality

personally i enjoyed DA2, have done 2 runs will do a 3rd at the very least, and i loved The Witcher and have TW2 preordered on gog and can't wait (anticipating tw2 more than la noire which is big since i also love rockstar's games)

[wolfsite]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Timon44 wrote...

Hey I have a crazy idea: How about the people who don't like The Witcher let the people who like The Witcher enjoy the game? And how about the people who don't like DA2 let everyone else who is having fun playing it keep having fun?

I know it sounds stupid but still...

Or how about people who like the Witcher let the people who like BioWare enjoy their games?

Yaaaaa I doubt that is gonna happen.

[Rockpopple]

One thing I noticed looking at the Witcher 2 videos (other than, you know, boobs, and the sad lack of them in some videos) is something that makes me think of people who praise TW2's realisiic fighting, but criticize DA2's "unrealistic" fighting.

Dude, the guy in TW2 does combat rolls. With a sword drawn out. And two swords strapped to his back. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Come on, you can't tell me that's any less reality-breaking than a DA2 rogue doing backflips. Also note to CDProjectRed or whomever might be concerned: If you're going for realism, in real life, people don't do combat rolls to dodge melee attacks. I... just... what?

And what's with the finishing moves? You know why they were removed in DA2? Because it was ridiculous for the world to slow to a crawl and enemies to stand around politely waiting as you cut off one of their heads. But at least in DA 2 you have party members that can conceivably be distracting the enemies.

In TW2, Dude is by himself! So... what, he decides to put an enemy on his knees, take out his two swords and cut off his head and all the other enemies he's fighting are just standing there waiting for him to finish?

Or let me guess, the other enemies are just so stunned and awed by his sheer awesomeness that they can't move while he's stylishly decapitating one of their own.

Ri-donku-donkulous.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 18 avril 2011 - 02:02 .

[Khayness]

Rockpopple wrote...

And what's with the finishing moves? You know why they were removed in DA2? Because it was ridiculous for the world to slow to a crawl and enemies to stand around politely waiting as you cut off one of their heads.

It was removed because the monsters weren't that polite and they steamrolled you as you cut off one of their heads.

The problem could have been solved with implementing finishing blows randomly happening only on the last monster killed in the encounter.

instead we got this: