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[tommyt_1994]

I know it can be done from a gameplay perspective, but from an in-universe POV, could a blood mage also be a spirit healer? Sorry if this is a stated somewhere in-game, I haven't heard of anything like this before.  

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Yes, in the original game you could make your character who plays as a mage be a healer and blood mage. It's an interesting combo. I haven't played as a mage yet so I don't know how it works in the new game.

[aaniadyen]

I think it is possible...but it isn't something that would happen. In order to become a spirit healer basically you need a spirit to give you those powers (As the name would imply). It's not something they do lightly, and you need to either convince them of your righteous intent, dominate them somehow, or for some reason have them join you (Ala Wynn). I don't think there's any supernatural law that says it's impossible, but at the same time good luck finding any kind of spirit who would give their powers to a blood mage.

Here's what the lore states on Spirit healers, taken directly from the wiki:

"Becoming a spirit healer, however, is no simple matter. To gain the services of such benevolent and righteous beings requires that the mage earn their trust. Often this requires a series of trials to prove that the mage’s goals are as noble as the spirit demands, though some mages have claimed to command the compliance of such spirits through sheer force of charisma. Some spirit mages even claim they did not choose their calling; instead, a powerful spirit chose them and led them into lives of service and ordeal. "

If there are spirits that would condone blood magic, then I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. I can't find any info on whether there are any spirits who do. Personally, I think it'd be pretty lame if there were...that's just me though.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 17 avril 2011 - 06:07 .

[Mnemnosyne]

I don't see anything that inherently prevents it. The difficulty is this: Justice seems very strongly biased against blood magic - are all spirits similarly biased, or would a spirit that has chosen some other primary focus not care as much?

Personally I imagine that it would be possible to find compliant spirits that don't care, but as far as I know there's no way to prove that one way or another with the information we have. The spirit of Valor from the mage origin didn't seem sufficiently opposed to demons to take any sort of action on his own, not even warning you that 'Mouse' is a demon, so does it follow that he wouldn't care about blood magic either? Perhaps.

[hoorayforicecream]

Nothing precludes the possibility of a rare spirit that knows blood magic and is willing to help provide healing. The hard part is finding a benevolent spirit to begin with, they seem pretty rare.

[Torax]

Koyasha wrote...

I don't see anything that inherently prevents it. The difficulty is this: Justice seems very strongly biased against blood magic - are all spirits similarly biased, or would a spirit that has chosen some other primary focus not care as much?

Personally I imagine that it would be possible to find compliant spirits that don't care, but as far as I know there's no way to prove that one way or another with the information we have. The spirit of Valor from the mage origin didn't seem sufficiently opposed to demons to take any sort of action on his own, not even warning you that 'Mouse' is a demon, so does it follow that he wouldn't care about blood magic either? Perhaps.

To be fair in the case of Valor. He couldn't warn the mortal about the demon because it was the one testing the mortal. It was not Valor's place to end the battle before it begins. The mage still had to prove their worth by defeating the demon afterall. The difference is that Valor believes that all should be tested to prove their mettle. So that is why a warning could not be given. As far as I could judge by how Valor portrayed himself.

[TheBlackBaron]

Considering Anders was a spirit healer right from the start in DA:A, without any hint of having bargained with a spirit for those powers or otherwise had them granted to him (a la Wynne), I don't think that it's necessary to have one in order to gain said powers. There's a whole damn school of magic named the "School of Spirit", after all, encompassing a wide variety of spells. "Spirit Healer" to me simply implies having delved into mixing the Spirit and Creation schools to produce powerful boosting spells.

And since blood magic is largely used as a means to boost other spells, I don't see why there would be any conflict. The only limitation would seem to be that you can't heal yourself, as using blood magic negates any healing done (although I'm not sure if that's just game mechanics or an actual piece of lore).

[IanPolaris]

I see no reason why the combination wouldn't be possible. Too many are assuming that spirit healers 'talk' with only one spirit, but I see no real evidence for that, nor do I see that spirits would universally abhor bloodmagic (although some clearly do). I could see such spirits as Valor, Honor, Duty, Sacrifice (or any virtue embodying sacrifice) having no intrinsic issue with bloodmagic used benignly.

As for healing yourself, it's true, you would not be able to directly heal yourself,but you DO apparently benefit from the increased healing rate of a spirit healer even when doing bloodmagic (and IMHO that makes sense).

-Polaris

[Girl on a Rock]

Well, I think it's unlikely for someone who was brought up worshiping the Maker and Andraste to be a blood mage and a spirit healer, since blood magic is forbidden/conflated with evil and a spirit healer has to go trucking with spirits, which are kind of like demons, but good demons, but then you have what happened to Anders. So.

However, if there were a mage of a different philosophy, for example a Dalish elf or a Tevinter magister, it seems plausible enough that there'd be no conflict of interest. While it's understood that blood magic can be used for nefarious purposes, and it can involve unscrupulous acts, neither of those conditions need apply to use it. The blood mage doesn't even necessarily have to harm animals for blood rites - we've seen more than one instance of self harm being the fuel for blood magic.

My "good" mages - the ones who've been spirit healers - haven't messed with blood magic, and when I've played a blood mage, she didn't mess with spirit magic, mostly because they were all raised either as followers of Andraste or, in DA:O, in the Circle - so my mage Wardens were never exposed to the idea that the line between spirits and demons might not be as clear as the Chantry would have the world believe, and Hawke was raised, at least loosely, I'm assuming, as a follower of Andraste, seeing as she says things like, Maker's breath, thank the Maker, etc.

However, in light of seeing Merrill's (the Dalish?) perspective on certain elements of the Fade and magic, I'd be interested to play a Dalish mage. (After all, does Merrill's clan actually say they think she's so ebil and destructive because of the spirits/blood magic, or is it strictly because of the eluvian? If it's the latter, then that leaves a lot of room for other perspectives on the blood magic/spirit thing.)

The very first thing one sees when starting DA:O is the passage about how the Golden City was corrupted - that seems to be the main party line of Thedas. But these alternative perspectives may shed more light on what the hale is going on with lyrium and the Old Gods and the darkspawn and the rest... but I digress.

Yeah, I think the only roadblock to practicing blood magic and spirit healing is ideological, so if you had a character who rejected the ideology of the Chantry and had some other knowledge/beliefs about the Fade/blood magic, it stands to reason that they could easily do both.

Wow, hardcore teal deer. LOLOL this is what I get for posting past my bedtime...

[Torax]

Keep in mind that the Chantry makes villains of all blood mages. Blood Magic to a point is not inherently evil. It's a slippery slope sure but if you are only using your blood to fuel it, then I don't see it as completely evil. The Chantry hates it and it does have uses that would make it feared by many. Mind control alone is very dangerous and to be feared. Also being able to power spells without lyrium would make the Chantry fearful of being able to contain and regulate the circles. So it does make sense that they would paint it as completely evil. If you are sacrificing everyone around you to power your spells then you are very evil. If you start summoning demons, yes you are evil. But if you are just using your blood to help fuel a normal spell, well that is only more painful than chugging potions.

[tangalin]

I kind of look at it similarly to playing a good aligned necromancer in D&D. Very much a case of using an existing evil to fight evil. As long as you found a non-evil way to become a blood mage (tomes of knowledge, experimentation on your own, etc) I don't see why most spirits would care as long as you continued to avoid evil acts with it (summoning demons, sacrificing others, etc).

I was really disappointed in DA2 though when I kept using blood magic IN FRONT OF TEMPLARS and them not even mentioning it lol.