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[Shadowrun1177]

How do you figure Ostagar USA, Ostagar is part of Ferelden and I have no idea where you get Muslims for the Qunari.

[Helen0rz]

yeah, it's obvious with some of them, but I wouldn't say Qunaris = Muslims, let alone Ostagar = USA.
It doesn't work that way.

On top of that the Qunaris are from Par Vollen right? and Muslim is not country either...

you're kinda mixing people with places and...yeah...

Modifié par Helen0rz, 17 avril 2011 - 05:36 .

[Snore]

I think I saw this topic on another fourm, but yes there are similarities and I think you mean Orzammar not Ostagar.

Modifié par Blackwolf93S, 17 avril 2011 - 05:38 .

[Shadowrun1177]

If anything since Alistair or Anora can give the land including Ostagar to the Dalish it would be more Welsh or Scottish or whatever the Dalish are now.

[ji.Ruichi]

Antiva: Spain

[Kajan451]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

How do you figure Ostagar USA, Ostagar is part of Ferelden and I have no idea where you get Muslims for the Qunari.

Ostagar is actually pretty easy. Whenever they take to field they crash and burn, unless they have other nations to help them and hold their hands (then again, i assume its a grave sin to actually say the US of A aren't the pinacle of all thats good and great in this world). So yeah that sounds pretty much like it. The rest? Not so much. But maybe i am not american enough to actually be aware how you guys perceive them.

I mean i get the accents, but thats about it. Qunari always struck me more like Japanese. Bushido, Honor above everything, isolist mindset.. perception of all gaijin to be of lesser stock. I don't really see Muslims in them.

And Orlais... less France and more Paris (i know thats in France), with Versailles and nobels. The plain Country Men, if i am any judge (living not even 5 minutes from the french border) they are not that much different.

And Ferelden.. if i had to put them into a corner... i'd put them into the 'generic European medivial' corner. Definately not England though. (Although i see similiarities in the history, if we assume Orlais to be france, Fereldan like England was occupied by the French for a prolonged time)

[MrDizazta]

L.Rui wrote...

Antiva: Spain

Actually its more like Italy.  Well that according to Dragon Age Wiki anyways.  Anderfels is the Holy Roman Empire

[CroGamer002]

According to Wiki, no sh*t for Ferelden and Orlais.

But Ostagar and Quinari?
Eh?

[PaulSX]

I dont think the whole dragon age referred anything about USA, it's mainly based on Medieval Europe.

[MrDizazta]

Ostagar is a part of Ferelden. I am pretty sure it is a city. The Quinari as and people and nation seem like a combination between the Huns and the Ottoman Empire. Especially sense their relationship with the Tevinter Imperium (who is similar to the Ancient Roman Empire). On the Tevinter Imperium being the Ancient Roman Empire makes a lot of sense. Especially since during the Dragon Age there are two Divines (one in Orlais and one in Tevinter). Both of whom discredit the other one, much like pre-Reformation Europe with the two Popes (one in France and the other in Rome). What I am trying to say it that Anders is Martin Luther.

[Clover Rider]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Ostagar is a part of Ferelden. I am pretty sure it is a city. The Quinari as and people and nation seem like a combination between the Huns and the Ottoman Empire. Especially sense their relationship with the Tevinter Imperium (who is similar to the Ancient Roman Empire). On the Tevinter Imperium being the Ancient Roman Empire makes a lot of sense. Especially since during the Dragon Age there are two Divines (one in Orlais and one in Tevinter). Both of whom discredit the other one, much like pre-Reformation Europe with the two Popes (one in France and the other in Rome). What I am trying to say it that Anders is Martin Luther.

Thank you someone who knows what part of history BioWare made the Ouinari and Tevinter like.

Edit:But that Anders thing is wrong.

Modifié par Some Geth, 17 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[Bfler]

I think Ferelden is US not UK. A rising nation that recently fought an independence war and a place where only a little group of the former native inhabitants are free and the other live in reservations/ghettos.
Not to mention the two "heroes" of DAO and DA2 are from Ferelden, what is equal to most Hollywood movies where the hero comes from the US.

Modifié par Bfler, 17 avril 2011 - 07:09 .

[MrDizazta]

Some Geth wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Ostagar is a part of Ferelden. I am pretty sure it is a city. The Quinari as and people and nation seem like a combination between the Huns and the Ottoman Empire. Especially sense their relationship with the Tevinter Imperium (who is similar to the Ancient Roman Empire). On the Tevinter Imperium being the Ancient Roman Empire makes a lot of sense. Especially since during the Dragon Age there are two Divines (one in Orlais and one in Tevinter). Both of whom discredit the other one, much like pre-Reformation Europe with the two Popes (one in France and the other in Rome). What I am trying to say it that Anders is Martin Luther.

Thank you someone who knows what part of history BioWare made the Ouinari and Tevinter like.

Edit:But that Anders thing is wrong.

Its debatable.  You can call blowing up the Kirkwall Chantry his 95 Theses.

Modifié par MrDizaztar, 17 avril 2011 - 07:11 .

[Zeevico]

1. Orlais is based in some ways from France. The accent and the names are French-style. Politically? My knowledge of medieval France is limited so I can't really say.

2. Ferelden is close to medieval England. The nobles of Ferelden enjoy a very large say over political issues and they have a feudal system of government--this is similar to the UK. The Landsmeet is similar to the English Parliament (when it was made up only of nobles). There is little similarity to the US.

[Clover Rider]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Ostagar is a part of Ferelden. I am pretty sure it is a city. The Quinari as and people and nation seem like a combination between the Huns and the Ottoman Empire. Especially sense their relationship with the Tevinter Imperium (who is similar to the Ancient Roman Empire). On the Tevinter Imperium being the Ancient Roman Empire makes a lot of sense. Especially since during the Dragon Age there are two Divines (one in Orlais and one in Tevinter). Both of whom discredit the other one, much like pre-Reformation Europe with the two Popes (one in France and the other in Rome). What I am trying to say it that Anders is Martin Luther.

Thank you someone who knows what part of history BioWare made the Ouinari and Tevinter like.

Edit:But that Anders thing is wrong.

Its debatable.  You can call blowing up the Kirkwall Chantry his 95 Theses.

I could but I don't think I will.

[Bio Addict]

I was under the impression that Ostagar was just a fort in Ferelden not a nation separate from it.

[Maleficent]

Dalish are more celtic mixed nations,don't forget Orlais could also be French speaking Canada.Fereldan is more a mix of influences though look at Aveline(Aibhlinn) ,red hair,name pronounced incorrectly from the Irish equivalent but no matter and she is the strong female warrior.Qunari could be more like african tribals seemst o me.Dwarves well are just dwarves lol.

[Fiery Phoenix]

This thread is going places.

[Bfler]

Maleficent wrote...

...don't forget Orlais could also be French speaking Canada..

That is why I think the DA world is the colonial NA continent.


And if you consider NPCs like Huon (I think he shall be a Huron or Iroquois) the Dalish can only be Native Americans.

[scylis]

Seems more like the older Tevinter (i.e. around when Andraste was roaming about) would be the Roman Empire, while current Tevinter would actually be the Byzantine Empire. Which makes sense. For a period of time, the Pope and the Catholic church resided in France, while the Orthodox Church was centered in Constantinople. This would place the DA wold at roughly, what, the 14th century? This would make sense as it has been many years since the first dealings with the Qunari and the DA equivalent of the Crusades.

Speaking of the Qunari, while they certainly occupy the same adversarial position as the Muslim world did, it's quite easy to see that they, as a people, are quite far from being an analogy to the Muslim world in a similar fashion to how the Chantry-ruled parts are quite obviously Christendom. The Qunari are predominatly their own thing, culturally, and quite enjoyably so. They do seem to resemble Plato's ideal community, amongst other things.

Wait... does this mean Anders is... Martin Luther? Derp.

EDIT: Oh dang, ninja'd! That'll teach me to do other things while making a long post (ok, no it won't, but it's a nice thought).

Also, I believe it's been pretty much straight-up stated that Ferelden is medieval England (iirc). The Dalish being Celts is pretty much a no-brainer, given their slick (and sometimes thick) new accents, Welsh and Irish. From there the rest of the analogies pretty easily fall into place, as has been covered here and elsewhere.

Modifié par scylis, 17 avril 2011 - 07:48 .

[Maleficent]

mmmm interesting on the colonial point there.But I still think that with the accents the Dalish are more akin to celtic nations.Small populations dispersed throughout the world.The Irish across America,Australia etc. The Scots originating from Ireland with populations going back and forth.And the Welsh close by would be enough to bring in influence.The Myths and beliefs in more pagan Irish culture would tie in nicely there along with the travelling community.But there could be a nice mix between celtic and other tribes as you say like the Huron or Iroquios.The treatment of the Native American tribes would bring that together there with how they are treated in the Dragon Age world,it would also tie into the Aboriginal tribes of Australia too.Yeah interesting.

[Helen0rz]

Truthfully...although we can pinpoint what DA nations correspond to what nations in RL because of accents/stereotypes/politics/etc...we gotta take it with a grain of salt here. I'm sure they're all loosely based on a nation with prominent characteristics and then they took elements from other cultures and formed the places in Thedas. Simple as that

@Some Geth
Yeah... With you on that. We should just leave it at that

[Maleficent]

True true hear hear.

[Eber]

Helen0rz wrote...

On top of that the Qunaris are from Par Vollen right? and Muslim is not country either...

The qunari invaded Par Vollen only three hundred years ago. They come from a different continent entirely that's unmapped and unknown. If anything I would liken them with european settlers, technologically superior conquerors looking to establish dominance (and spread their religion) in a, to them, new world.