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[scylis]

I think the best way to look at it all is that it's a world which Harry Turtledove could love.

[Akka le Vil]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Ostagar is a part of Ferelden. I am pretty sure it is a city.

A fortress that protected the country from incursions from the Korkari tribesmen.
In this, it's more akin to the Hadrian's Wall than anything.

The Quinari as and people and nation seem like a combination between the Huns and the Ottoman Empire. Especially sense their relationship with the Tevinter Imperium (who is similar to the Ancient Roman Empire).

Qunari have a highly sophisticated and refined society, with a lot of emphasis on religion. As such, they are not at all like the Huns, but very much like the surging Muslim countries from the medieval ages, or, yes, like the Ottoman Empire.

On the Tevinter Imperium being the Ancient Roman Empire makes a lot of sense. Especially since during the Dragon Age there are two Divines (one in Orlais and one in Tevinter). Both of whom discredit the other one, much like pre-Reformation Europe with the two Popes (one in France and the other in Rome).

Actually, the OLD Tevinter Imperium (the one before Andraste) is like the Ancient Roman Empire. Andraste brings the barbarian invasions, which takes a lot of lands from Tevinter, including the western nations counterparts (like the fall of the Western Empire). The "new" Tevinter Imperium, with byzantine politics, decadence and fighting Qunaris/muslims for survival, is much more like the Byzantine Empire than the Ancient Rome.
As for the two different church and the two popes, it's fitting perfectly the history of the Byzantine Empire again, being a near carbon-copy of the Schism (separation between Western-catholics and Eastern-orthodox Churches) and the apparition of two popes.

What I am trying to say it that Anders is Martin Luther.

That's actually quite a nice concept and idea.

[Jerrybnsn]

Eber wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

On top of that the Qunaris are from Par Vollen right? and Muslim is not country either...

The qunari invaded Par Vollen only three hundred years ago. They come from a different continent entirely that's unmapped and unknown. If anything I would liken them with european settlers, technologically superior conquerors looking to establish dominance (and spread their religion) in a, to them, new world.

See, this the way I see the Qun. As a more technologically advance culture meeting a less advance continent (relying on magic will do that) like when the Europeans came to the Americas, except with a twist.  The Qun have facial features and speech like the native Americans.  When I first started talking with Sten, I thought that he was the perfect Indian chief.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 17 avril 2011 - 08:30 .

[FabianGrey]

In the words of Sten of the Beresaad: "People are not simple. They cannot be summarized for easy reference in the manner of:"The elves are a lithe, pointy eared people who excel at poverty."

[FreyaWazHere]

FabianGrey wrote...

In the words of Sten of the Beresaad: "People are not simple. They cannot be summarized for easy reference in the manner of:"The elves are a lithe, pointy eared people who excel at poverty."

Agreed. There are some similarities to politics, beliefs, social concepts and accents from Thedas to Earth, but thats because if your trying to create a fictional human society, we as humans only have ourselves too look at for inspiration.

[Supreez]

With all this talk of DA time and place i have an idea. If the series progresses enough and they're running out of ideas why couldn't they show just how real and changing the the DA universe is and set one of the games in a modern or technologically advanced setting. How cool would it be to trounce around a world that is sitting a top a robust DA lore. How cool would it be, to be that removed from DA in one respect and yet so connected at the same time. What would the modern world look like with magic? Has magic and technology progressed together? How are we dealing with mages now? Are they being exploited? How have these nations formed? Who's still relevant who's not?

Most high fantasy worlds end up being static and kind of sit in their little niche of time and place. There is a forever feeling to most fantasy worlds. DA doesn't feel so static. And when someone suggested that DA might be set in 1400's i automatically thought "well if that's true and the world is changing similarly to ours its only 600 years oh so til the modern age." That's not a long time.

I just imagine a history lessen being told by the PC's dad or something about the hero of fereldan. Some of it would be all wrong, how histories go, but you'd be swept up by nostalgia and know what really happened. That's the beauty of it. That world wouldn't have to know exactly what happened because so much time had past and it would make choice tracking less messy. Much of the stories would be legend. You know something like "and some say the Hero died with the Archdemon, others say a strange magic saved him and he lived happily ever after strolling the countryside with Leliana" or whatever.

Well i think if the universe progressed to that point it would be really really fun.

Modifié par Supreez, 17 avril 2011 - 08:42 .

[Niela Randgris]

I read a similar post in gamefaqs, I think. Antivan people have a very spanish accent. I'm spanish, and a lot of time I have laughed with this. Vicento with his "Maldición! You are a mage!" Is priceless.

[billy the squid]

CandleJack wrote...

 Have you noticed the similarities between them? Like their accents or parts of their culture?

Possibly, Ferelden and Orlais are obviously based on Medieval England and France. Ostagar was an outpost of the Tevinter Imperium, I think, built to stop the wilders from invading, the equivilent would be Hadrian's wall in the north of England which was built after the Roman invasion som 2000 years ago to stop the picts and celts from further North raiding Roman Britain.

The Qunari, more representative of the Seljuk Turks of the middle ages rather than a catch all race for muslims. Their appearance in medieval Europe i believe only took place later on when they migrated west and came into conflict with the Byzantine Empire centred in the city of Constantinople (equivalent to Minrathou, capital of Tevinter Imperium) which was the remaining Eastern half of the Roman Empire, similar to the Tevinter Imperium when it was at the hight of its power, after its collaps several hundred years earlier after the mass migration of Germanic tribes from Germania and other areas north of the border.

The Aderfels, I would think the Holy Roman Empire, as others have said (it wasn't actually roman, but a collection of Germanic states, the strength of the Wardens in the Anderfels could mirror the Teutonic order in the middle ages which became very powerful military force and political in the region)

Antiva and the Free Marches, bit iffy on this I think Antiva probably representative of spain simply based on Zev's accent, but I don't really have any other evidence I can think of at the moment, might be like Italy but I'm unsure. I think the Free marches might be best representated by the Italian city states, as Italy did not become a unified counrty until the 1860's which seems to reflect the fractious nature of the free marches.

As for Orzammar I'm really unsure so I'll get back to you.

[Romantiq]

What about Canada?

[Eternal Phoenix]

Canada = Blackmarsh.
Africa = Blackmarsh.
China = Blackmarsh.
Everywhere else = Blackmarsh.

[Warheadz]

I don't know about those, but the Maker is obviously Finnish. No question.

[Dragoonlordz]

I don't know don't really care too much if they reference my location the UK simular to Ferelden, I do however care that in ME3 they are nuking our capital London those little buggers/cheeky gits!  Though all will be forgiven if Shepherd's vocal cords got damaged between ME2 and 3 and takes on Sean Connery accent (James Bond). 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 avril 2011 - 10:42 .

[Madax132]

My take

Old tevinter: Roman republic/empire, depends highly on slave labor and made a large reaching empire, made great monuments and much of there technology is still in use by dragon age time (represnting early middle ages). Much of what they have left is still used.

New tevinter: Byzantine empire, they both shrunk in size but still retained some influence

Quanari: Ottoman empire, both made major conquests but lost a bit after nearby countries retaliated, quanari made much use of cannons as did the ottoman empire, quanari had the qun and the ottoman empire had a pretty strong culture for a large empire.

Orlais: Probably france, this is mostly going by accent and culture but they both seem to have a strong monarchy and they each had a ruler with the title emperor at a point, they chevalier armor is also similar to a french knight armor.

Fereldan: Hard to say exactly which country, likely england though, they have similar accent, they both shunned church authority, the templars do not have a very strong presense in Fereldan compared to some places and England was a major center for protestants. Each seems to have a bit more personal freedom individually, this would be true in England after the magna carta.

[Madax132]

Also, I REALLY doubt that either Canada, the U.S. or the native Americans are represented here, it seems really far fetched.

[element eater]

Madax132 wrote...

Orlais: Probably france, this is mostly going by accent and culture but they both seem to have a strong monarchy and they each had a ruler with the title emperor at a point, they chevalier armor is also similar to a french knight armor.

Fereldan: Hard to say exactly which country, likely england though, they have similar accent, they both shunned church authority, the templars do not have a very strong presense in Fereldan compared to some places and England was a major center for protestants. Each seems to have a bit more personal freedom individually, this would be true in England after the magna carta.

i have to agree with these alot of similariies realy across the board

one point id add in particular is that Orlais and Fereldan have a very similar relationship
 to the french and the english
logain particulary reminds me of a typical medieval english attitude to the french when he talks about orlais

Modifié par element eater, 17 avril 2011 - 11:31 .

[Eber]

Madax132 wrote...

Also, I REALLY doubt that either Canada, the U.S. or the native Americans are represented here, it seems really far fetched.

The original inhabitants of the qunari occupied north have experiences similar to those of native Americans.

Gold-skinned giants said to hail from an eastern land across the Boeric Ocean, the qunari are a mystery to most people. To some, they are hated conquerors whose deadly skill at combat and destructive technology nearly brought the civilized world to its knees.

In the 30th year of the Steel Age, the first qunari ships were sighted off the coast of Par Vollen in the far north, marking the beginning of a new age of warfare.

History calls this the First Qunari War, but it was mostly a one-sided bloodbath, with the qunari advancing far into the mainland. Qunari warriors in glittering steel armor carved through armies with ease. Their cannons, the likes of which our ancestors had never seen, reduced city walls to rubble in a matter of seconds.

Stories of qunari occupation vary greatly. It is said they dismantled families and sent captives to "learning camps" for indoctrination into their religion. Those who refused to cooperate disappeared to mines or construction camps.

Modifié par Eber, 17 avril 2011 - 11:51 .

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Quinari are more like Confucianism than anything else, making them China. But you can't draw real parallels because its not a 1 to 1 ratio or relationship.

[Boiny Bunny]

If you do some research, you'll find that Thedas is modelled on medieval Europe - intentionally.

As has been said, Ferelden = England, Orlais = France, Antiva = Spain, Tevinter Imperium = Roman Empire, Chantry = Christianity, etc.

Not really sure if the Qunari are meant to represent anything - seeing as there was only 1 in DA:O and in DA2 they completely let go of the lore.

At any rate, I'm fairly sure that there are no countries which are meant to represent anything other than bits of medieval Europe. No USA or Australia, etc.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Thedas is a lot like Medieval Europe but each nation is not a direct parallel to any one thing. The Qunari in particular are a lot like Muslims when looking at their impact on Europe but their society is a more like Ancient Sparta and a little like Confucianism.

The Tevinter Imperium is a great deal like the Roman and Byzantine Empire. But their history is not a direct translation either.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 18 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[Boiny Bunny]

^ None of the nations of Thedas are direcly parallel - but they are modelled off of - various countries in Medieval Europe. This is the official word of Bioware (who described a few of them and left the rest as guesswork).

[Aedan_Cousland]

Kajan451 wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

How do you figure Ostagar USA, Ostagar is part of Ferelden and I have no idea where you get Muslims for the Qunari.

Ostagar is actually pretty easy. Whenever they take to field they crash and burn, unless they have other nations to help them and hold their hands (then again, i assume its a grave sin to actually say the US of A aren't the pinacle of all thats good and great in this world). So yeah that sounds pretty much like it. The rest? Not so much. But maybe i am not american enough to actually be aware how you guys perceive them.

Seeing as how the US has only lost one war so far in it's history, the comment about the US crashing and burning when taking the field is a bit comical. Even more so when you consider that during the war that the US did lose, it won all of the battles and campaigns. It was defeated only because the war was unpopular on the home front.

But getting back to the topic, I don't believe there is any nation or culture in Thedas that is based on the United States. Since the setting is loosely inspired by medieval Europe, the nations in the game are very loosely based on nations in medieval Europe.

Ferelden of course is inspired by medieval Britain, and the Ferelden people are sort of an amalgamation of the English, Irish, Scottish & Welsh.

Orlais of course is inspired by medieval France.

Antiva seems to be an amalgamation of Spain and Italy. The people have Spanish sounding names and accents, but the politics more cloosely resembles medieval Italy.

The Tevinter Imperium might be based on the Byzantine Empire.

The Qunari seem to be very loosely based on a medieval Islamic culture. Of course it is only very loosely based, but there are some elements of the Qun which resemble medieval Islam. (militant expansionism, the demand that adherants 'submit' to the faith, ect) Also the Qunari are more technologically advanced than the human cultures of Thedas, just as the Islamic world was more technologically advanced and enlightened than Western Europe in the 1200s or 1300s.

[GearRust]

I think you mean

USA = Orzamar

A nation that has a clear cut of warriors, merchants, workers, etc.
- Dust-Town, are like the ghettos.
- The mid-level is like the middle class suburbs and cities with entertainment centers (provings)
- The upper floor is like the politicians, rich, and celebrity's live.

Also it's a place that lost it's glory days, once spanning across thedas, now just to one city, like USA.

I'd say the dwarves are the americans, they got the accents

[ElleOhElle]

Even though the Antivan accent is Spanish, it seems to have more in common with the Italian city states- they have the bankers/moneylenders that Italy was known for, and their intrigues and assassinations are much more like Italy than Spain.