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[Augustei]

CandleJack wrote...

 Have you noticed the similarities between them? Like their accents or parts of their culture?

Ostagar = USA??? What? how did you get that comparison? As for Qunari = Muslims I'm guessing you mean Turkey? In which yes I can see that comparison

Minrathous = Constantinople, soon the Qunari will conquer it.. Yet Tevinter has similarities to England. Emporor Drakon = Constantine. Regarding Chantry = Christianity, It seems White Divine = Catholic Black Divine = Church of England.... However the Chantry seems to have alot of similarities with the church of islam

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 18 avril 2011 - 05:39 .

[Kranaos]

What does this make the Darkspawn then?

[delikanli]

XxDeonxX wrote...

CandleJack wrote...

 Have you noticed the similarities between them? Like their accents or parts of their culture?

Ostagar = USA??? What? how did you get that comparison? As for Qunari = Muslims I'm guessing you mean Turkey? In which yes I can see that comparison

Minrathous = Constantinople, soon the Qunari will conquer it.. Yet Tevinter has similarities to England. Emporor Drakon = Constantine. Regarding Chantry = Christianity, It seems White Divine = Catholic Black Divine = Church of England.... However the Chantry seems to have alot of similarities with the church of islam

there is no such thing

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Kranaos wrote...

What does this make the Darkspawn then?

Internet trolls.

[Jim_uk]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I don't know don't really care too much if they reference my location the UK simular to Ferelden, I do however care that in ME3 they are nuking our capital London those little buggers/cheeky gits!  Though all will be forgiven if Shepherd's vocal cords got damaged between ME2 and 3 and takes on Sean Connery accent (James Bond). 

You only have to look at our city/town centres on a Friday and Saturday night, they're overrun with what appear to be Darkspawn.

[TheBlackBaron]

The qunari aren't based on the Muslims as a whole so much as they are the Ottoman Turks. Think about it - feared military juggernaut that has at times threatened all of Thedas, possessing advanced technology in the form of gunpowder and cannons, constantly at war with the Byzantine Empire analog. That's the same role the Ottomans played for Europe during the Middle Ages.

[Scimal]

CandleJack wrote...

 Have you noticed the similarities between them? Like their accents or parts of their culture?

No...

Well, the accents, yes. That's because the designers specifically chose existing accents to represent the fictional places.

American accents are used for the elves in Ferelden, UK accents are used for Fereldans, French accents are used for Orlesians, Italian is used for Antivans, etc.

Of course, the way you worded it, the stereotypes are so broad you can shoehorn anything in there. You say Orlais is France because of the words and the implication that fashion is important - but those traits (outside of the language) also describes the UK and Italy at various points in time.

You equate Ferelden to the UK because of the... well, I dunno. It rains all the time and it has a King/Queen and is generally the backdrop for fantasy settings involving dragons? I never got offered fish 'n chips by anyone in Ferelden.

I don't even know how you get Muslims from Qunari unless you're one of those dingbats who believes every one of the 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world wants to Jihad western cultures. I don't even think the Qunari have an existing analogue to a current society.

[billy the squid]

sorry mucked up post.

Modifié par billy the squid, 18 avril 2011 - 09:10 .

[UltiPup]

Kranaos wrote...

What does this make the Darkspawn then?

Aliens, of course. What do we do when we first see an alien? Shoot it. What if it speaks our tongue? Shoot it. What if it is trying to bring peace? Shoot it.

Obviously the darkspawn as hapless aliens trying to survive in a modern world.

[astrallite]

Kranaos wrote...

What does this make the Darkspawn then?

Unpure races (oh no they are coming for our women!)

Modifié par astrallite, 18 avril 2011 - 11:52 .

[9999dmg]

Blackmarsh = Baltimore

[Madax132]

Scimal wrote...

CandleJack wrote...

 Have you noticed the similarities between them? Like their accents or parts of their culture?

No...

Well, the accents, yes. That's because the designers specifically chose existing accents to represent the fictional places.

American accents are used for the elves in Ferelden, UK accents are used for Fereldans, French accents are used for Orlesians, Italian is used for Antivans, etc.

Of course, the way you worded it, the stereotypes are so broad you can shoehorn anything in there. You say Orlais is France because of the words and the implication that fashion is important - but those traits (outside of the language) also describes the UK and Italy at various points in time.

You equate Ferelden to the UK because of the... well, I dunno. It rains all the time and it has a King/Queen and is generally the backdrop for fantasy settings involving dragons? I never got offered fish 'n chips by anyone in Ferelden.

I don't even know how you get Muslims from Qunari unless you're one of those dingbats who believes every one of the 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world wants to Jihad western cultures. I don't even think the Qunari have an existing analogue to a current society.

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You seem to have good intentions but your knowledge of history is sorely lacking, no one here is saying bashing islam, we are saying that the quanari are representative of the ottoman empire which was an Islamic empire and very war like as the quanari are.

Also antivans have spanish accents not italian ones. Fereldan is the UK for reasons I've already stated. We assume that that oralais is early middle age france because that is the time period that the dragon age fantasy setting is in.

The elves don't have american accents either, they have irish accents which also fits in with the irish being opressed.

[Clover Rider]

9999dmg wrote...

Blackmarsh = Baltimore

You want me to gut you?:innocent:

[Zkyire]

Bfler wrote...

I think Ferelden is US not UK. A rising nation that recently fought an independence war and a place where only a little group of the former native inhabitants are free and the other live in reservations/ghettos.
Not to mention the two "heroes" of DAO and DA2 are from Ferelden, what is equal to most Hollywood movies where the hero comes from the US.

Thedas is based on Europe. Not America.

[KingyyyizME]

Ima give it a go:

Fereldon is a direct parallel to England during the middle ages.
1. Political structure is quite similar. Both England and Fereldon are ruled by stong monarchies, which rule in partnership (usually) with a house of Lords(Landsmeet). Each Lord/Teryn/Bann rules over a certain amount of land known as a (in England Burough) or a ( Bannorn? in DA). These landowners have all the power over their subjects, and can impose their will.

Orlais is a direct parralel to France
1. The rediculous amount of interest in Fashion is a big indicator. During the reign of the Bourbons, fashion was rediculous, (go google some of Louis XVI clothes). And while other nations at that time were also very fashionable, no one really came close to France.
2. Orlais once was in control of Fereldon, just like France( when they didn't suck) was in charge of Britain.
3. Also, I can't completely substantiate this, but it seemed that during the events of DAO, Fereldon, primarily the Grey wardens, reached out for their former enemy to help them, and started to begin a new friendship. Kinda similar to France and GB becoming allies. Also, Orlesians sound French >.<

Antiva is a direct parallel to Spain.
1. everyone knows Spaniards have a weird fetich with Leather.
2. Zev sounds like he has a Spanish-ish accent.

Tevinter Imperium is a direct parallel to Ancient Roman Empire
1. Once ruled vast amounts of land.
2. Relied primarily on slave labor to build its great monuments.
3. 7 Old Gods that it used to worship, could be refering to the 7 hills of Rome, and the ancient Paganism of Old Rome. Just a guess there.
4. Built Ostagar to protect Fereldon from Barb invasion, like Hadrians Wall.
5. Had to deal with a religious movement that would shake it to the core.

Chantry is a direct parallel to the Catholic Church of the middle ages
1. 2 seperare Divines. This is rediculously similar to the Avignogn Papacy vs the True papacy in Rome.
2. Chantry is in charge of a super military group, the templars. The Church of the middle ages was quite strong-armed, and had serious military backing.
3. No one really mentioned this, but I, along with seeing the Chantry/Church parallel see a huge parallel with Andraste with Jesus Christ. Now, I'm no where near saying they are equal. Both fought( in different ways) to abolish slavery, to different things. Both preached diligence to God/Maker. Both Fasted for weeks, and prayed alone. Both were killed/ Sacrificed for everyone else's sins. Both were raised to be on the right hand side of the Maker/God.

I would do the Qunari, but I really should do my hw, which ironically, is an Ap European history review packet for my upcoming exam over this very topic. Lolz at irony.
Soz bout text amount.

[Romantiq]

KingyyyizME wrote...

Ima give it a go:

Fereldon is a direct parallel to England during the middle ages.
1. Political structure is quite similar. Both England and Fereldon are ruled by stong monarchies, which rule in partnership (usually) with a house of Lords(Landsmeet). Each Lord/Teryn/Bann rules over a certain amount of land known as a (in England Burough) or a ( Bannorn? in DA). These landowners have all the power over their subjects, and can impose their will.

Orlais is a direct parralel to France
1. The rediculous amount of interest in Fashion is a big indicator. During the reign of the Bourbons, fashion was rediculous, (go google some of Louis XVI clothes). And while other nations at that time were also very fashionable, no one really came close to France.
2. Orlais once was in control of Fereldon, just like France( when they didn't suck) was in charge of Britain.
3. Also, I can't completely substantiate this, but it seemed that during the events of DAO, Fereldon, primarily the Grey wardens, reached out for their former enemy to help them, and started to begin a new friendship. Kinda similar to France and GB becoming allies. Also, Orlesians sound French >.<

Antiva is a direct parallel to Spain.
1. everyone knows Spaniards have a weird fetich with Leather.
2. Zev sounds like he has a Spanish-ish accent.

Tevinter Imperium is a direct parallel to Ancient Roman Empire
1. Once ruled vast amounts of land.
2. Relied primarily on slave labor to build its great monuments.
3. 7 Old Gods that it used to worship, could be refering to the 7 hills of Rome, and the ancient Paganism of Old Rome. Just a guess there.
4. Built Ostagar to protect Fereldon from Barb invasion, like Hadrians Wall.
5. Had to deal with a religious movement that would shake it to the core.

Chantry is a direct parallel to the Catholic Church of the middle ages
1. 2 seperare Divines. This is rediculously similar to the Avignogn Papacy vs the True papacy in Rome.
2. Chantry is in charge of a super military group, the templars. The Church of the middle ages was quite strong-armed, and had serious military backing.
3. No one really mentioned this, but I, along with seeing the Chantry/Church parallel see a huge parallel with Andraste with Jesus Christ. Now, I'm no where near saying they are equal. Both fought( in different ways) to abolish slavery, to different things. Both preached diligence to God/Maker. Both Fasted for weeks, and prayed alone. Both were killed/ Sacrificed for everyone else's sins. Both were raised to be on the right hand side of the Maker/God.

I would do the Qunari, but I really should do my hw, which ironically, is an Ap European history review packet for my upcoming exam over this very topic. Lolz at irony.
Soz bout text amount.

Also, Orlais sounds very much like actual city in France - Orleans (it's kind of funny that Joan of Arc was called "The Maid Of Orleans" and Andraste is like almost her copy except for several things like being from Denerim and fighting Tevinter Empire)

[9999dmg]

Haven = Waco, TX

[KingyyyizME]

9999dmg wrote...

Haven = Waco, TX

I sir, award you 1 internet cookie.

[Duchess of Dumb Fries]

Since Ostagar was more just like a fort for the Fereldan king I'm pretty sure he meant Ozammar what with the American dwarves(who have a very bizarre usage of the word sod). And yes Leliana is so french and she describes it just like Paris. I'm sure it's been pointed out Muslim isn't a country or culture. What I'm curious about is why Elves have similar accents to dwarves when they have little contact with them and live amongst humans?

[Zeus_Deus]

I always imagined the Old Tevinter Imperium to be more like one of the ancient middle eastern civilisations like Sumer/Babylon with lots of Mysticism/Astrology and 'Magic'.

[PirateT138]

There are some similarities in the human countries but the Qunari are like nothing that has ever existed in human culture.

[Clover Rider]

PirateT138 wrote...

There are some similarities in the human countries but the Qunari are like nothing that has ever existed in human culture.

Ottoman Empire.

[Aedan_Cousland]

delikanli wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

CandleJack wrote...

 Have you noticed the similarities between them? Like their accents or parts of their culture?

Ostagar = USA??? What? how did you get that comparison? As for Qunari = Muslims I'm guessing you mean Turkey? In which yes I can see that comparison

Minrathous = Constantinople, soon the Qunari will conquer it.. Yet Tevinter has similarities to England. Emporor Drakon = Constantine. Regarding Chantry = Christianity, It seems White Divine = Catholic Black Divine = Church of England.... However the Chantry seems to have alot of similarities with the church of islam

there is no such thing

I think the split between the Black and White Divines and the two Chantries, seems based more on the split between the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox. That would also be more in line with Tevinter being based on the Byzantines. (the Byzantines were Greek Orthodox)