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[Envor44]

I love how people still assuming the Qunari are base on Muslim in real life, even though David Gaider himself meant it just a reference to Qunari's politics relationship with other nations of Thedas, the Qun isn't base on Islam.

Qunari = Ottoman Empire, Seljuk Turks

Tevinter Imperium = Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire)

the Chantry = Christian Crusade

[Doyle41]

How about the creators have a reference point to creating all this? It is just fantasy land for everybody else. Draw your own conclusions as you play. It shouldn't have to be exactly defined becauseof accents, or customs.

[astrallite]

makalathbonagin wrote...

darspawn -indians, gypsies, arabs... (lol racism)

It makes sense in terms of Midieval/Fantasy European literature. All the human "traitors" that fought for Sauron in Lord Of The Rings were Indians, Asians, and black people. Not a single whitey to be found.

Modifié par astrallite, 19 avril 2011 - 04:45 .

[Boiny Bunny]

^ LOTR was written in a time where political correctness was not in any way an issue. Not to mention, LOTR is certainly not based on medieval Europe.

[Lord Phoebus]

I thought the Darkspawn were based on your typical mythical horde enemy which has it roots in Attila's huns. Soldiers who used plagues and salted the earth match the blight quite well.

I would model the Qunari on the vikings. Raiders and pirates with their own form of honor if you read the icelandic sagas.

Antiva- Moorish Spain.

[Zkyire]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

^ LOTR was written in a time where political correctness was not in any way an issue. Not to mention, LOTR is certainly not based on medieval Europe.

It is however still based on European peoples and European mythologies.

[Aedan_Cousland]

astrallite wrote...

makalathbonagin wrote...

darspawn -indians, gypsies, arabs... (lol racism)

It makes sense in terms of Midieval/Fantasy European literature. All the human "traitors" that fought for Sauron in Lord Of The Rings were Indians, Asians, and black people. Not a single whitey to be found.

Not true.

The Black Númenóreans and their descendants, like the Corsairs of Umbar, were white. The 'Black' refers to their morality, not their skin tone. (Aragorn was also Númenórean, though obviously not a Black Numenorean)  The Dunlendings who allied with Saruman were also white.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 29 avril 2011 - 02:42 .

[Whisky]

Qunari is a wordplay of Qur'an (a kind of Muslim bible) IMO. Just make the dash an i (they're pretty similar in shape) and rearrange the letters. So I also think Qunar' = Muslim. Just guessing.

[Ulicus]

Ferelden is like a psuedo pre-Norman Britain in which the Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Celts were one people.

Middle Earth is just Wales.

[Skolzkiy tip]

You humans are all racist!
P.S. Kirkwall is Prypiat, Ukraine.

[CelticPrincess]

In my opinion:
Ferelden = UK
Orlais = France
Antiva = Spain
Orzammar = Scotland

[brxbrx1]

Maybe not each nation is analogous to the real world.
Also, the Qunari represent East Asia. The Qun is pretty much the Dao, but stricter and less forgiving.

[Gnaeus Trebonius]

brxbrx1 wrote...

Maybe not each nation is analogous to the real world.
Also, the Qunari represent East Asia. The Qun is pretty much the Dao, but stricter and less forgiving.

Like everything in Thedas they are a mish-mash of different historic cultures and their religion/philosophy bears, as you pointed out, more resemblence to the far east than any "abrahamitic" religion. But if you look at the headway the Qunari are making against the Tevinter (eastern Rome) and Antiva/Rivain (Iberia) you can clearly see that the writers draw inspiration from the Islamic Caliphate as well.

[Eternal Phoenix]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

^ LOTR was written in a time where political correctness was not in any way an issue. Not to mention, LOTR is certainly not based on medieval Europe.

It is however still based on European peoples and European mythologies.

A few dark skinned people are shown as being evil but others (mentioned in the lore) are shown as being good. There are also light skinned people who are portrayed as evil. The Nazguls themselves were white skinned when they were human kings.

@OP

It's my understanding that Qunaris are atheists...Muslims aren't atheists...so I see no comparison.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 12 septembre 2011 - 05:05 .

[Kothoses Rothenkisal]

The Quanari have nothing in common with Muslims other than that they both have a faith.... if anything the Quanari as have been said above are just fundamentalists, with an alien culture compared to the lands they find them selves in.

Orlais is nothing like france if anything its more like the decadence of Greece or Rome during their empires.

Ferelden like the UK... no not really Ferelden is not run by two incompetent antique dealers.

[Mike_Neel]

Everyone in this thread is wrong. It's

Ferelden - Westeros
Free Marches - Free Cities
Orlais - Qarth
Tevinter - Valyria
Par Vollen - The Summer Isles

[andraip]

@Elton John is dead

I don't think that the OP is still reading this...

@Celtic Princess

As far as I recall resurrecting a thread that has not been used for over a week is called necromancy and it's forbidden.
Btw, how did you even find such an old thread?

[CrimsonZephyr]

Ferelden - either Saxon England or post-Magna Carta England
- Alamar, an island off the coast of Ferelden where the crown has less influence is likely Ireland
Orlais - France
Free Marches - German States
Nevarra - Either Austria or Prussia. Their land war with Orlais echoes the latter.
The Anderfels - Russia. Steppes, forests, desolate land. Yeah...
Antiva - City State Italy
Rivain - Spain / Al-Andalus
Tevinter: The Byzantine Empire
Qunari: Turks

[A1ANDY]

Bfler wrote...

I think Ferelden is US not UK. A rising nation that recently fought an independence war and a place where only a little group of the former native inhabitants are free and the other live in reservations/ghettos.
Not to mention the two "heroes" of DAO and DA2 are from Ferelden, what is equal to most Hollywood movies where the hero comes from the US.

Ferelden being the USA seems very unlikely. The politicals and culture are very different. Kings, castles, kights and lords are important points in Ferelden none of them you have in the USA. Even the war for independance is very different. Ferelden existed as a nation before orlais invaded and put an usurper on the throne. While America existed through immigration and then imdependance fron unjustful taxes.

[Wozearly]

A1ANDY wrote...

Bfler wrote...

I think Ferelden is US not UK. A rising nation that recently fought an independence war and a place where only a little group of the former native inhabitants are free and the other live in reservations/ghettos.
Not to mention the two "heroes" of DAO and DA2 are from Ferelden, what is equal to most Hollywood movies where the hero comes from the US.

Ferelden being the USA seems very unlikely. The politicals and culture are very different. Kings, castles, kights and lords are important points in Ferelden none of them you have in the USA. Even the war for independance is very different. Ferelden existed as a nation before orlais invaded and put an usurper on the throne. While America existed through immigration and then imdependance fron unjustful taxes.

I agree very much with Blfer on this. Ferelden has more in common with Saxon England and the Norman (half-saxon, half-viking) occupation - only history saw the Saxon efforts to bring independence after the Norman invasion fail rather than succeed. The Dalish don't feat neatly into the picture politically as there were no roaming bands of Welshmen and Picts following the celtic culture being jammed into the corners of the island, but the tensions between the celtic cultures and Saxon / Viking / Norman culture are reminiscent of the religious and cultural tensions between the two groups.

For another England reference, the more Viking-style cultures of the Avvar and the like being pressed downwards by a rising mainstream Ferelden culture (Saxo-Norman) fits well. Also, its clear that although Ferelden is to some extent a melting pot of element of other cultures that existed there historically or migrated there as immigrants or conquerors leaving some remnants behind, there is a clear emergence of Ferelden as a nation as much as a kingdom.

This was a similar theme of the post-Norman years where both England and France defined their relationships via warfare and bitterness, whilst also having a hell of a lot in common underneath, but with an obvious difference of the French culture being more heavily geared towards its chevaliers and nobility, who schemed like mad and had rights far above those of commoners (a parallel that Orlais fits straight into).

Meanwhile, Saxon culture gave relatively decent influence to the freemen and smallholders. Any lesser lord (read Banns) was able to express views during the rare Witanagemots (read Landsmeets), and there were only three larger Earldoms (read Teyrnirs) which directly ruled over the lesser lords, one of which almost always belonged directly to the King.

If you look at a similar historical period, its not too far fetched to see parallels with the Free Cities and the Italian city states (which had a similar approach to uniting only if any one was threatened by an outside), Rivain as one of the splintered Spanish kingdoms and the Qunari playing the role of the militaristic, but comparatively technologically enlightened muslim powers (the Turks are the most obvious direct parallel).

The collapsing but previously dominant Tevinter Imperium, with a church divided from the main religion and subtly different interpretations, points straight towards the Byzantine Empire and Orthodox Christianity. Just throw magic into the mix, change the names, rearrange the map and add the Blight and medieval Europe fits the bill rather nicely.

Modifié par Wozearly, 13 septembre 2011 - 05:46 .

[Kothoses Rothenkisal]

For the Dalish you can look to medieval religions for your queue, the persecution of Pagan religions by the Orthadox churches building of churches on top of their previously ritualistic and religious sites and even the usurping of their culture. The you will join us or be cast out approach there is a parallel there, but it amuses me when people try to compare Ferelden's socio-political outlook to any modern culture, there might be some symbolism there but that's about it.

[Wozearly]

Kothoses Rothenkisal wrote...

For the Dalish you can look to medieval religions for your queue, the persecution of Pagan religions by the Orthadox churches building of churches on top of their previously ritualistic and religious sites and even the usurping of their culture. The you will join us or be cast out approach there is a parallel there, but it amuses me when people try to compare Ferelden's socio-political outlook to any modern culture, there might be some symbolism there but that's about it.

I don't think there's any reason that you couldn't compare Ferelden's culture to modern equivalents, but I'd be surprised to find many connecting points. The type of rivalries, cultural challenges, economics and politics found in a dark age and early medieval world are hugely different from those common in more modern Western and Eastern cultures.

[Clertar]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
(...) but there are some elements of the Qun which resemble medieval Islam. (militant expansionism, the demand that adherants 'submit' to the faith, ect)

Not at all similar to medieval Christianism, right xD

[Clertar]

 Oh, and Ferelden is totally like medieval- and modern-age Catalonia