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[Miashi]

Persephone wrote...

Miashi wrote...

I'm sure I can find qualities in DA:2, but that would require an amount of effort greater than the effort that was required to put this game together. So I'm not.

Well, then play DAO with that pretty Warden of yours & be happy.

I've been having internet issues at home for the last week so I can't play any recent Bioware titles with my DLCs - including DA:O, so I've been playing the Witcher. Thanks for the suggestion though.

[Persephone]

Miashi wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Miashi wrote...

I'm sure I can find qualities in DA:2, but that would require an amount of effort greater than the effort that was required to put this game together. So I'm not.

Well, then play DAO with that pretty Warden of yours & be happy.

I've been having internet issues at home for the last week so I can't play any recent Bioware titles with my DLCs - including DA:O, so I've been playing the Witcher. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Eeeeeeeeeeee!!! *Fangirl Squeal* Enhanced Edition, I hope?

[Miashi]

Yes.

[Aermord]

Stay on topic, please. This thread is not about using word of mouth to promote other games.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Persephone wrote...

Given that I do not give a damn about review bandwagons or "word of mouth" campaigns....A similarly obnoxious hate campaign destroyed my favorite Adventure Franchise in 1999. Yes, "word of mouth" is just WONDERFUL. *Snerks*

I prefer to form my own opinions and will grant others the same right.

What do I say if people ask me "What did you think of DAII?"

I'll say:

I loved it because *Listing reasons*

What do I say if people ask me "Should I buy DAII?"

I'll say:

Up to you. I loved it because *Listing reasons*, but it depends on your preferences, not mine. If you're unsure, play the demo. Still unsure? Rent it.

O yea back on topic. I don't think you can ruin a game's reputation just by going around yelling it's sh!t it's sh!t!. But if someone tells me about all the game's flaws that are facts and not opinion- such as enemies that rain and "Hawke's favourite cave", that turns it into an instant no sale. So yea people don't blindly follow bollox, but word of mouth will reveal the things that reviews convniently forget:whistle: coughpcgamercough

Edit: By the way I hadn't read the last post and typed this on my own accord. Screw you Aermod I don't take instructions!

Modifié par fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb, 18 avril 2011 - 11:26 .

[Persephone]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Given that I do not give a damn about review bandwagons or "word of mouth" campaigns....A similarly obnoxious hate campaign destroyed my favorite Adventure Franchise in 1999. Yes, "word of mouth" is just WONDERFUL. *Snerks*

I prefer to form my own opinions and will grant others the same right.

What do I say if people ask me "What did you think of DAII?"

I'll say:

I loved it because *Listing reasons*

What do I say if people ask me "Should I buy DAII?"

I'll say:

Up to you. I loved it because *Listing reasons*, but it depends on your preferences, not mine. If you're unsure, play the demo. Still unsure? Rent it.

O yea back on topic. I don't think you can ruin a game's reputation just by going around yelling it's sh!t it's sh!t!. But if someone tells me about all the game's flaws that are facts and not opinion- such as enemies that rain and "Hawke's favourite cave", that turns it into an instant no sale. So yea people don't blindly follow bollox, but word of mouth will reveal the things that revies convniently forget:whistle: coughpcgamercough

Or maybe these things simply matter less to some people?

How else did I suffer through DAO despite its grinding dungeons that were implemented to give the illusion of length, hmmmmmmm?

[silver-crescent]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Given that I do not give a damn about review bandwagons or "word of mouth" campaigns....A similarly obnoxious hate campaign destroyed my favorite Adventure Franchise in 1999. Yes, "word of mouth" is just WONDERFUL. *Snerks*

I prefer to form my own opinions and will grant others the same right.

What do I say if people ask me "What did you think of DAII?"

I'll say:

I loved it because *Listing reasons*

What do I say if people ask me "Should I buy DAII?"

I'll say:

Up to you. I loved it because *Listing reasons*, but it depends on your preferences, not mine. If you're unsure, play the demo. Still unsure? Rent it.

O yea back on topic. I don't think you can ruin a game's reputation just by going around yelling it's sh!t it's sh!t!. But if someone tells me about all the game's flaws that are facts and not opinion- such as enemies that rain and "Hawke's favourite cave", that turns it into an instant no sale. So yea people don't blindly follow bollox, but word of mouth will reveal the things that revies convniently forget:whistle: coughpcgamercough

I haven't read a single review that didn't mention the recycled environments [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

Anyway, I enjoyed DA2 a lot, but well I guess the 1vs10 thing is probably true. I really don't feel the need to go on a pro-DA2 campaign all over the internet.

[Firky]

Persephone wrote...
Given that I do not give a damn about review bandwagons or "word of mouth" campaigns....A similarly obnoxious hate campaign destroyed my favorite Adventure Franchise in 1999. Yes, "word of mouth" is just WONDERFUL. *Snerks*

KQ: Mask of Eternity? Guessing. If not, I'm interested.

Also, I recently bought The Witcher EE for $8. And, I installed it tonight and it has fan made adventure mods now. (My previous EE does not.) How cool is that? There you go. Word of mouth, right there.

Dear Future Dragon Age Origins Complete releases. Please put notable DAO adventure mods on your disks.

Also, the idea that employees of games retailers are warning customers against DAII seems a little fishy to me. Maybe in an isolated case. Not more than that, surely. That's silly. 

[AkiKishi]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Given that I do not give a damn about review bandwagons or "word of mouth" campaigns....A similarly obnoxious hate campaign destroyed my favorite Adventure Franchise in 1999. Yes, "word of mouth" is just WONDERFUL. *Snerks*

I prefer to form my own opinions and will grant others the same right.

What do I say if people ask me "What did you think of DAII?"

I'll say:

I loved it because *Listing reasons*

What do I say if people ask me "Should I buy DAII?"

I'll say:

Up to you. I loved it because *Listing reasons*, but it depends on your preferences, not mine. If you're unsure, play the demo. Still unsure? Rent it.

O yea back on topic. I don't think you can ruin a game's reputation just by going around yelling it's sh!t it's sh!t!. But if someone tells me about all the game's flaws that are facts and not opinion- such as enemies that rain and "Hawke's favourite cave", that turns it into an instant no sale. So yea people don't blindly follow bollox, but word of mouth will reveal the things that reviews convniently forget:whistle: coughpcgamercough

Well you can try  but you will get drowned out by all the positive feedback if it's unfounded. It's like what happened to Diablo , a lot of old guard RPGers hated it (still do) but it was a high quality game and that was refelcted in the press and user reviews overall.

Firky wrote...
Also, the idea that employees of games retailers are warning customers against DAII seems a little fishy to me. Maybe in an isolated case. Not more than that, surely. That's silly. 

If you are a regular customer it happens all the time. The local place knows how much I spend they also know it's because they don't fuss too much if I return the odd stinker. The long term employees also know what I like and will make recomendations. Sometimes we will just chat about games. It's what makes it different from online shopping.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 18 avril 2011 - 11:32 .

[silver-crescent]

Firky wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Given that I do not give a damn about review bandwagons or "word of mouth" campaigns....A similarly obnoxious hate campaign destroyed my favorite Adventure Franchise in 1999. Yes, "word of mouth" is just WONDERFUL. *Snerks*

KQ: Mask of Eternity? Guessing. If not, I'm interested.

Also, I recently bought The Witcher EE for $8. And, I installed it tonight and it has fan made adventure mods now. (My previous EE does not.) How cool is that? There you go. Word of mouth, right there.

Dear Future Dragon Age Origins Complete releases. Please put notable DAO adventure mods on your disks.

Also, the idea that employees of games retailers are warning customers against DAII seems a little fishy to me. Maybe in an isolated case. Not more than that, surely. That's silly. 

Given how this board is atm I'm actually surprised people aren't claiming stores are selling the game for 5 bucks/giving it away for free/burning it in pyres.

[Persephone]

Firky wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Given that I do not give a damn about review bandwagons or "word of mouth" campaigns....A similarly obnoxious hate campaign destroyed my favorite Adventure Franchise in 1999. Yes, "word of mouth" is just WONDERFUL. *Snerks*

KQ: Mask of Eternity? Guessing. If not, I'm interested.

Also, I recently bought The Witcher EE for $8. And, I installed it tonight and it has fan made adventure mods now. (My previous EE does not.) How cool is that? There you go. Word of mouth, right there.

Dear Future Dragon Age Origins Complete releases. Please put notable DAO adventure mods on your disks.

Also, the idea that employees of games retailers are warning customers against DAII seems a little fishy to me. Maybe in an isolated case. Not more than that, surely. That's silly. 

Gabriel Knight: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned

(Damn you, 3D craze, DAMN YOU!)

I loved the Fan Mods on the EE. Brilliant stuff. 

[Aermord]

Firky wrote...

Also, the idea that employees of games retailers are warning customers against DAII seems a little fishy to me. Maybe in an isolated case. Not more than that, surely. That's silly. 

Silly? Not really. You see, the sales laws in a lot of countries allows you to return a product to a store if you werent satisfied with it (within a given timeframe of course). This means a game store will loose too much money if selling a game people will return and get their money back for. Selling an already opened copy can only be done at a huge discount and how will it look in store if you got a dozen returned copies of DA2 at a lower price such a short time after release?

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Persephone wrote...

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Given that I do not give a damn about review bandwagons or "word of mouth" campaigns....A similarly obnoxious hate campaign destroyed my favorite Adventure Franchise in 1999. Yes, "word of mouth" is just WONDERFUL. *Snerks*

I prefer to form my own opinions and will grant others the same right.

What do I say if people ask me "What did you think of DAII?"

I'll say:

I loved it because *Listing reasons*

What do I say if people ask me "Should I buy DAII?"

I'll say:

Up to you. I loved it because *Listing reasons*, but it depends on your preferences, not mine. If you're unsure, play the demo. Still unsure? Rent it.

O yea back on topic. I don't think you can ruin a game's reputation just by going around yelling it's sh!t it's sh!t!. But if someone tells me about all the game's flaws that are facts and not opinion- such as enemies that rain and "Hawke's favourite cave", that turns it into an instant no sale. So yea people don't blindly follow bollox, but word of mouth will reveal the things that revies convniently forget:whistle: coughpcgamercough

Or maybe these things simply matter less to some people?

How else did I suffer through DAO despite its grinding dungeons that were implemented to give the illusion of length, hmmmmmmm?

Ha yes that was pretty mind numbing but at least it didn't break my immersion too much, I just started thinking "**** these mofos multiply like rabbits!" and ultimately it was worth it right?
 Cause by the end I wished it was longer still lol.

silver-crescent wrote...
I haven't read a single review that didn't mention the recycled environments [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

Anyway,
I enjoyed DA2 a lot, but well I guess the 1vs10 thing is probably true.
I really don't feel the need to go on a pro-DA2 campaign all over the
internet.

Have you seen read the PC gamer UK? I'd
swear they thought it was bloody perfect. I should've known something
was up when it came out before release.

Modifié par fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb, 18 avril 2011 - 11:35 .

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Aermord wrote...

Firky wrote...

Also, the idea that employees of games retailers are warning customers against DAII seems a little fishy to me. Maybe in an isolated case. Not more than that, surely. That's silly. 

Silly? Not really. You see, the sales laws in a lot of countries allows you to return a product to a store if you werent satisfied with it (within a given timeframe of course). This means a game store will loose too much money if selling a game people will return and get their money back for. Selling an already opened copy can only be done at a huge discount and how will it look in store if you got a dozen returned copies of DA2 at a lower price such a short time after release?

Not to mention a lot of employees don't give a toss if  the boss loses a few bucks. In fact some cheeky buggers go out of their way to cause trouble:P

[Firky]

@ Persephone 3D craze did ruin adventure for me. (But I wasn't into internet enough in those days to be aware of Gabriel Knight "hate" - thankfully.) Thankfully too, 2D, point and click is back for many games. So many Indies. Try Edna and Harvey: The Breakout. And, so is Jane Jensen. Check out Grey Matter. Not perfect, but good.

More word of mouth. I think one of the major problems with word of mouth is that it can spiral out of control. People start quoting other people without context. Things get blown out of proportion. The internet is a really skewed reality. It's like Chinese Whispers. Not that this is proof of anything, but I'm getting more negative than positivie about DAII on he internet, but every real life person I've spoken too (without exception) likes it - or loves it.

[silver-crescent]

Aermord wrote...

Firky wrote...

Also, the idea that employees of games retailers are warning customers against DAII seems a little fishy to me. Maybe in an isolated case. Not more than that, surely. That's silly. 

Silly? Not really. You see, the sales laws in a lot of countries allows you to return a product to a store if you werent satisfied with it (within a given timeframe of course). This means a game store will loose too much money if selling a game people will return and get their money back for. Selling an already opened copy can only be done at a huge discount and how will it look in store if you got a dozen returned copies of DA2 at a lower price such a short time after release?

What countries allow you to do that? Returning an opened game at full price just because you didn't like it? 

[Boiny Bunny]

Persephone wrote...

And as someone who is working in Sales and Marketing: Such a prognosis.....five weeks after the release? That's not how this works, much as you may want it to.

Respectfully, of course, I disagree in this particular circumstance.

Word of mouth can be a very powerful tool in determining the overall success of a product over the long term.  Indeed, for the first 5 weeks, Origins looked good, but not fantastic on the sales front.  But, after this its sales actually picked up, and remained at a reasonable level for an exceptionally long period of time (for a video game) - causing it to become one of Bioware's most successful titles yet.

Dragon Age 2 has good enough sales for its first 5 weeks.  As Bioware have pointed out, it shipped 1 million copies faster than Origins did.  Very impressive.  Except that it's sales have decreased dramatically every week (if any of the sales statistics websites are to be believed in any sense, from a trend or absolute values perspective), and word of mouth is exceptionally negative.

Adding fuel to the fire, DA2 is now being sold at a heavy discount at many stores around the world, AND packaged together with a free game.  The latter is a sign of a product not selling as well as hoped for.  The former is a sign, from a retailer point of view, that the product is not selling, full stop.

Of course, there is absolutely no certainty in saying the sales of DA2 will or will not reach any reasonable given level.  That's the essence of business.  We can analyse whatever information we do have however and make somewhat informed assessments.

If you have something of interest to add from a sales/marketing perspective about why you think DA2 will/will not get to 2m copies, I'd be most interested to hear it. 

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Firky wrote...

@ Persephone 3D craze did ruin adventure
for me. (But I wasn't into internet enough in those days to be aware of
Gabriel Knight "hate" - thankfully.) Thankfully too, 2D, point and click
is back for many games. So many Indies. Try Edna and Harvey: The
Breakout. And, so is Jane Jensen. Check out Grey Matter. Not perfect,
but good.

More word of mouth. I think one of the major problems
with word of mouth is that it can spiral out of control. People start
quoting other people without context. Things get blown out of
proportion. The internet is a really skewed reality. It's like Chinese
Whispers. Not that this is proof of anything, but I'm getting more
negative than positivie about DAII on he internet, but every real life
person I've spoken too (without exception) likes it - or loves it.

Quick, time for a lynch mob! j/k One thing I will say is that most people love to criticise much more than compliment. But I don't think anything false has been spread about DA2? I was skeptical when told about "1 room 1 cave" but whadaya know.

Modifié par fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb, 18 avril 2011 - 11:42 .

[Firky]

On returning DAII and retailer employees bad mouthing it: If you reckon. I don't. It's just guesswork. If we knew how many people actually returned it, we might be able to make a better guess. I reckon that if you take it home, and even if you don't like it, there's a much better chance that you wont bother to return it. So, if the guy gets it out of the shop, the better for him. But I have no proof of that, either. Just a guess.

When I bought it in the box, about 2 weeks after release, I asked the guy how it was selling. He said, "Great." That was that. It's exactly one testimony, not proof of anything.

[Aermord]

silver-crescent wrote...

What countries allow you to do that? Returning an opened game at full price just because you didn't like it? 

Scandinavian countries for instance. In my country I can return a bought product up till 14 days after I bought it if I'm not satisfied and get my money back.

[Persephone]

Firky wrote...

On returning DAII and retailer employees bad mouthing it: If you reckon. I don't. It's just guesswork. If we knew how many people actually returned it, we might be able to make a better guess. I reckon that if you take it home, and even if you don't like it, there's a much better chance that you wont bother to return it. So, if the guy gets it out of the shop, the better for him. But I have no proof of that, either. Just a guess.

When I bought it in the box, about 2 weeks after release, I asked the guy how it was selling. He said, "Great." That was that. It's exactly one testimony, not proof of anything.

Yeah. All I can speak of is my local seller where a friend of mine works. He said DAII is selling well, console versions especially. Again, just one case though.

[Firky]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

But I don't think anything false has been spread about DA2? I was skeptical when told about "1 room 1 cave" but whadaya know.

Sure, but it's spin too. Personally, recycled environments didn't bother me. When I played the game, I'd heard nothing on it and didn't even notice until Act 3. I'm glad no one ****ed to me about it before I played. It might have make me hate it.

Edit: Wow, swear filter got that one. Whoops. I guess, in a different context, that could be offensive.

Modifié par Firky, 18 avril 2011 - 11:49 .

[AkiKishi]

Firky wrote...

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

But I don't think anything false has been spread about DA2? I was skeptical when told about "1 room 1 cave" but whadaya know.

Sure, but it's spin too. Personally, recycled environments didn't bother me. When I played the game, I'd heard nothing on it and didn't even notice until Act 3. I'm glad no one ****ed to me about it before I played. It might have make me hate it.

Lucky.

I found it hard to miss the giant blocks of concrete and unaltered mini map. When it came to Fenris' mansion I thought this is just taking the ******.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 18 avril 2011 - 11:51 .

[Firky]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lucky.

I found it hard to miss the giant blocks of concrete and unaltered mini map. When it came to Fenris' mansion I thought this is just taking the ******.

Well, it's attitude too. Were the tiny pixelated dragons of Ultima scary? No. Could you bypass them with a Ring of Invisibility? Yes. Did I love them anyway? Sure. I can forgive stuff that isn't always exactly right. Games are like that. It's a reality, and not a new one.

Sometimes I think gamers just don't want to enjoy themselves. I do think that DAII is a good game, as "objectively" as one can think so, but one can alter expectations if one just wants to enjoy a game. Or life, in general. You can be stuck in traffic and angry, beeping at people and feeling stressed. Or, you can turn up the radio and accept that this is part and parcel of living in a busy city.

[Miashi]

Firky wrote...
Sometimes I think gamers just don't want to enjoy themselves. I do think that DAII is a good game, as "objectively" as one can think so, but one can alter expectations if one just wants to enjoy a game. Or life, in general. You can be stuck in traffic and angry, beeping at people and feeling stressed. Or, you can turn up the radio and accept that this is part and parcel of living in a busy city.

Enjoyment is relative to anyone. Some people find enjoyment in escapism, other find enjoyment in complexity or challenge. Overall I'm pretty sure that no one enjoys traffic. Comparing DA:2 to traffic is just proving the point that it's not a good game; that it just depends on how people cope with it.

This said, I've often heard store sellers warn me about games I buy. If you're a usual client, they'll be usually pretty candid and advise you for or against a game, and sometimes recommend you alternatives.