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[JoHnDoE14]

 Hey folks, after my information blockout and my 80 hour playthrough of DA2, I decided to visit my favourite forum once again and share my theories on the ending with other Biowarians!
 Now back to the task at hand. DA2's ending took me by surprise. By the time the credits rolled, a pattern had started to reveal itself. I noticed (just like most of you) that many heroes in the lore and in the games just vanish. Here are some examples
 1) The Black Fox (here's a link to the codex entry http://dragonage.wik...f_the_Black_Fox). Famous hero, has traveled in all of Thedas. Lost when searching for Arlathan (Arl Foreshadow comes to mind) 
 2) The main protagonist of DA2, Hawke (That was easy to guess, I bet ). Regardless of choices, you end up vanished.
 3) Possibly, the Warden (if you have any other ending than ultimate sacrifice)
 4) King Maric, if my understanding of Mr.Gaider's post is correct. 'He is lost at sea'

Now all of these heroes have something in common. They all had something to do with the Elves of old, and all except 1 interacted with Flemeth. In addition, all left their impact in the world and are well known. Not only that, but as Alyka mentioned they all are nobles and held some power over a portion of Thedas (The Warden by becoming the ruler of Amaranthine and/or by being HN/DN). Add to all this that Leliana herslef connected the Warden's dissapearance with Hawke's and the cake is baked. One can draw millions of conclusions, however nothing can be certain at that point.
 Anyway, I believe that this is just me, clutching at straws. If you have anything else to add or maybe something that makes it impossible for this to be true, feel free to share and don't take anything of these for granted, it's all in the air. 
                           The band of three...(well one)

Modifié par JoHnDoE14, 19 avril 2011 - 08:21 .

[Shamajotsi]

You bring an excellent point.

Actually, I would add to what you say that we can't know for sure that the Black Fox never met Flemeth - the stories about this character never speak of such meeting, but I doubt that the stories about the Warden say that s/he was rescued by the Witch of the Wilds.

I am not sure whether this has any connection to what you say, but since you bring the Band of Three (a haunting Codex entry, no kidding ), here is what I notice right now: Merrill is sort of the "foreshadowing" person in the party, especially in the final Act. She is also the one who is notorious for getting lost. Well, here is what one of the Band of Three has to say about Kirkwall:

"A maze of caves, sewers, and hidden passages!..."

"A master mason made a comment that set my mind afire. She said that of all the cities she's worked in, Kirkwall was the most difficult, and that the city is almost literally a maze. Recollecting my first years in Kirkwall, I have to agree. Getting lost was commonplace. The city was a sprawling mess.

The mason showed me a plan of the city, and my heart skipped a beat. There were patterns in the intersections, back alleys, and boulevards. Some magisters believed in the power of symbols or shapes. In the oldest parts of the city, one can make out the outlines of glyphs in the very streets! What manner of magic is this?"

It could be a wild stretch, but since we have a whole Achievement around this, I think that this could be a hint of what we are to see in the story of future installments of the DA franchise.

Also, to bring up the whole story with the elluvians, I am strongly convinced that what the Imperium was trying to do in Kirkwall was much, much greater in scope than just thinning the Vale and reaching the Fade. I will throw here a quote from Witch Hunt, in which Morrigan explains to the Warden where she is heading:

"[A]nother place, beyond this world and beyond the Fade. But this portal can only be used once more. Achieving even this much was... difficult."

Could it be that it was Kirkwall where the mages of the Imperium tried to penetrate the Golden City? In any case, I'd guess that wherever Morrigan has went, this is where the Warden, the Champion, and the Fox are, since, as far as I know, the Warden following Morrigan through the elluvian is one of the possible endings of Witch Hunt.

Edit: Added some formatting.

Modifié par Shamajotsi, 17 avril 2011 - 12:07 .

[supakillaii]

It could be possible that Fox met Flemeth at some point, perhaps during his early years.

[Mnemnosyne]

David Gaider wrote...

Is there not a codex entry for Maric? I see that there isn't -- I thought there was.

If you're truly curious, Maric was lost at sea. Nothing more glamorous than that. Sometimes people simply die.

The full quote doesn't really seem to imply to me that he's still alive, to be honest.  "Lost at sea" doesn't just mean missing, it's a common phrase used to denote people who died at sea.  There is to my knowledge no implication ever that Maric may yet be alive in any of the games.  Just noting that it's really, really unlikely Maric is involved, even if the rest of the theory is somewhat plausible.

Modifié par Koyasha, 17 avril 2011 - 01:39 .

[Sabotin]

Somehow I see the Eluvian mirrors being connected to these. Perhaps something along the lines of a pocket dimension or just Arlathan itself?

[RubiconI7]

Now its just a question of how they are going to tie this into a game.

Where the Mirror leads should be somewhere that was mentioned in the lore instead of a brand "new" location. I think It would disconnect the lore and build-up in the previous games if it were to lead to a "new" place.

[Shamajotsi]

Well, with Morrigan it is already stated that at least such a "new" place maybe exists.

[DJRankine]

Maybe DA3 will be about the Black Fox's story, which will possibly shed some light on the whole "heroes dissappearing" theory, and then DA4 will piece it all together... or something...

I did wonder about those Band of Three codex entries, I always thought there must be a quest involved and I was missing something...

[Shamajotsi]

Given how the Fox operated in Orlais before he was captured for a while by his arch-nemesis, and how this is the part of the legend about him that is closest to reality (and therefore easier to investigate), I'd dare say that we have plenty of proof that this might be exactly the case . Maybe at one point we'll have to find out whether there is a secret stronghold of any sort and if there really is, where exactly it is situated.

[JoHnDoE14]

Shamajotsi wrote...

Given how the Fox operated in Orlais before he was captured for a while by his arch-nemesis, and how this is the part of the legend about him that is closest to reality (and therefore easier to investigate), I'd dare say that we have plenty of proof that this might be exactly the case . Maybe at one point we'll have to find out whether there is a secret stronghold of any sort and if there really is, where exactly it is situated.

Well, that sounds like an amazing setting for a 800 points DLC, doesn't it? Anyway, DLC or not, I hope that at some point we will rediscover Arlathan and most importantly, were all these heroes ended up.

[RedJohn7]

Interesting.....So it seems Flemeth was responsible for the salvation of Thedas.... She saved it,in a way, three times.... You know, since she saved each hero JohnDOE14 mentioned...

[Shamajotsi]

She's never mentioned in any codex entry regarding the Black Fox - or was it that you meant Maric?

[Scnew]

The biggest enigma of them all is how you managed to clock 80 hours in a playthrough of Dragon Age 2.

[DragonRacer]

Personally, I love the running gag on these forums of "Flemeth's Hero Dungeon". Gotta collect 'em all, apparently...

[HTTP 404]

DragonRacer wrote...

Personally, I love the running gag on these forums of "Flemeth's Hero Dungeon". Gotta collect 'em all, apparently...

yah no kidding....maybe there is some cosmic **** Fighting where the gods place bets on hero matches.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Heh. DA4 - Flemeth is the antagonist and you've got to free the heroes (Maric, Warden, Hawke, DA3 hero) in her dungeon. Every Friday - she makes them fight each other and she keeps them alive, immortal and healthy with her dark magic. The bad ending is that you fail and get thrown into the dungeon where you must also fight every Friday.

[Alyka]

All of them have another thing in common; nobility.Well, if your Warden was a human or dwarf noble.

Modifié par Alyka, 18 avril 2011 - 08:01 .

[Shamajotsi]

DragonRacer wrote...

Personally, I love the running gag on these forums of "Flemeth's Hero Dungeon". Gotta collect 'em all, apparently...

I never thought of it in this way, but now that you've mentioned it, I guess you have a point that the "gotta collect 'em all" is somewhat hardcoded in my mentality . I guess I would enjoy playing DAX in which I'll be controlling a team of bad-asses, including the Black Fox, the Hero of Ferelden, the Champion of Kirkwall and all the other Somethings of Somewheres.

Either way, the legend of the Black Fox is quite prominent in DAO and DA2, so I doubt that he simply died after an adventurous life of mischief a la Robin Hood - after all, he vanished while searching for the ruins of Arlathan, didn't he?

[JoHnDoE14]

Alyka wrote...

All of them have another thing in common; nobility.Well, if your Warden was a human or dwarf noble.

An interesting observation. Will be adding that one in the OP.

[DragonRacer]

Alyka wrote...

All of them have another thing in common; nobility.Well, if your Warden was a human or dwarf noble.

Hee hee, exactly. My city elf Warden begs to differ...

[Liliandra Nadiar]

My Mage would as well, but then again, she's an Amell... :innocent:

My Dalish does however! Making a jumped up heathen knife-ear Arl of Amaranthine? What was Alistar/Anora thinking?

[Satyricon331]

I'd expect the nobility thing would have more to do with having the training and opportunity to become sufficiently important for Flemeth to want your body to be on that list, rather than being something independently relevant.  You never know, though.