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[Bmeszaros]

Anders is more important to the world then the Champion, as is Meredith.

Really, the Champion makes no more difference to the world (considering he/she disappears at the end of the game) then any of his or her companions, since they are there at the last battle.

[Icy Magebane]

Without the Champion, Anders wouldn't have come up with the idea to attack the Chantry, and Meredith would never have come in contact with the Idol. Without the Champion, Bartrand's expedition would have failed... so whatever people may think, the Champion was important to Kirkwall's history. A lot of these "inevitable" outcomes wouldn't have occurred at all without Hawke to be there as the catalyst.

[Bmeszaros]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Without the Champion, Anders wouldn't have come up with the idea to attack the Chantry, and Meredith would never have come in contact with the Idol. Without the Champion, Bartrand's expedition would have failed... so whatever people may think, the Champion was important to Kirkwall's history. A lot of these "inevitable" outcomes wouldn't have occurred at all without Hawke to be there as the catalyst.

Why would Anders not have blown up the Chantry? In my game, I never helped him with his bomb plot. simply travelling to a few places with the Champion isn't enough for him to see all this preceived injustices to mages. Not when he spouts about "Templar Rape" practically when you first meet him and how he he might ask for the Knight Commanders Head on a spike. Anders claims he and Justice became one when they merged and that Justice, for all intents and purposes, is gone. He admits that after he blows up the Chantry, he only used it as an excuse to explain the way he was, in truth, he was angry and hated all templars long before he did that.

I think its fair to assume that with Anders hanging around Kirkwall, eventually he would've approached or been approached by the so-called "Mage Underground" anyways. Especially since he has refugees protecting him.

Anders was dumb to run to Kirkwall, the templar seat of power, just to escape the wardens.... The fact that he wanted to stay there, even after you have the option of telling him to leave after the "Tranquil Solution" sidequest in act 2 shows he had some sort of underlying goal and he wasn't leaving until it was done or he was dead.

Modifié par Bmeszaros, 19 avril 2011 - 12:46 .

[Icy Magebane]

@Bmeszaros - All I can really say is that there are a lot of alternative storylines that we could speculate on. Sure, Anders was angry from the start, but I really do think that repeated interaction with Hawke took him in a specific direction. Hell, would he have even survived alone against the Templars when freeing Karl? He didn't seem all that powerful to me... I think speculation can work both ways in this case...

All I was really trying to say was that certain events seem unlikely to happen the same way if you just remove Hawke from the equation. Would the Qunari have been defeated at the end of Act 2? Would they have even had motive to attack Kirkwall, since Isabela would most likely have died without Hawke's team protecting her from Hayder's trap?

I'm not saying I like the many situations where something happens no matter what path you try to follow... I guess I'm just saying that Hawke is important.

[AlexXIV]

HonRosie wrote...

Hawke made a difference. But the player didn't. <_<

I don't know, nothing Hawke does seems like nobody else could have done it. Or that it couldn't have happened anyway. Meredith could have stopped the Qunari Uprise. And in the templar - mage conflict Hawke didn't have at any point a way to change the course of events either.

[Clangeddin86]

Ehi, you get to decide if Anders (the most important person in Thedas! ;D) lives or not.
That also pretty much means that his importance as a character in the Thedas world is finished, unless they pull a "Leliana" on him as well, and try to justify that with some sort of clone/resurrection/recreation/time-travel-changes mechanics, which would be really really lame...

Modifié par Clangeddin86, 19 avril 2011 - 01:08 .

[Wulfram]

Meredith would have stopped the Qunari, but probably at the expense of the hostages. With the nobility slaughtered and no Champion, her rule of Kirkwall would have been unchallenged

[Clangeddin86]

Wulfram wrote...

Meredith would have stopped the Qunari, but probably at the expense of the hostages. With the nobility slaughtered and no Champion, her rule of Kirkwall would have been unchallenged

Meredith would have gotten her ass kicked by the Arishok, if you notice she' hasn't got the Lyrium forged into her sword yet in Act II. And even with that, she's a way easier boss than the Arishok anyway.

[Icy Magebane]

I really doubt Meredith could have defeated the Arishok, even with the Idol. The man was beast.

[Medhia Nox]

Look - Thrall saves Azeroth on a daily basis and everyone and their mother loves that "Lore".

So - it stands to reason that now RPGs should have NPCs outshine the "Main Character".

[AloraKast]

HonRosie wrote...

Hawke made a difference. But the player didn't. <_<

Probably the most apt way of describing the frustration I have been experiencing, even in my very first playthrough.

PS. I hope you don't mind me stealing your very well phrased point in my sig.

Modifié par AloraKast, 19 avril 2011 - 02:47 .

[Wulfram]

Clangeddin86 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Meredith would have stopped the Qunari, but probably at the expense of the hostages. With the nobility slaughtered and no Champion, her rule of Kirkwall would have been unchallenged

Meredith would have gotten her ass kicked by the Arishok, if you notice she' hasn't got the Lyrium forged into her sword yet in Act II. And even with that, she's a way easier boss than the Arishok anyway.

Meredith has an army of Templars at her back.  She'd be fighting the weak big fight arishok, not the overpowered duel arishok.  And she's a level 3 boss, not a level 2 boss.