Dave of Canada wrote...
MorrigansLove wrote...
You've truly opened my eyes to what I did not see.
You seem too blinded by the hate of the cliffhanger ending that you're not seeing the bigger picture, but then again... you're not even trying to argue reasonably, more interested in insulting people.
BobSmith101 wrote...
PM it to me.
Not without actually adding some real variables. There are a few, but nothing like the number that was in DA.
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 avril 2011 - 09:51 .
Upsettingshorts wrote...
BobSmith101 wrote...
PM it to me.
Not without actually adding some real variables. There are a few, but nothing like the number that was in DA.
What are you looking for in the PM? List of things with different outcomes in DA2 that are left unresolved? Why wouldn't I just post that publicly? I've got to save some stuff for my TLDR review no one will read, you know.
Modifié par BobSmith101, 18 avril 2011 - 09:52 .
This remains to be seen. But I know one thing for certain, if BioWare spent only 18 months in development of a full priced game, wherein they are then going to sell you the completion of the story in DLC across four more years, well I really hope that most gamers here will not be stupid enough to not tell them where they can stick that DLC.BobSmith101 wrote...
What bigger picture? The bigger picture where Bioware sells you the rest of the game?
Il Divo wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins spanned two whole years, for the record.
MorrigansLove wrote...
Wanna see how DA2 felt for me?
Watch this video:
BobSmith101 wrote...
Dave of Canada wrote...
MorrigansLove wrote...
You've truly opened my eyes to what I did not see.
You seem too blinded by the hate of the cliffhanger ending that you're not seeing the bigger picture, but then again... you're not even trying to argue reasonably, more interested in insulting people.
What bigger picture? The bigger picture where Bioware sells you the rest of the game?
Gavinthelocust wrote...
MorrigansLove wrote...
Wanna see how DA2 felt for me?
Watch this video:
I swear I've probably asked you this at least three times before.
Why are you still here then?
Modifié par MorrigansLove, 18 avril 2011 - 10:01 .
Marketing and presentation is not a conspiracy. It's sleight of hand. Like playing the shell game. The only way to win is to give the dealer the finger and walk away.Gavinthelocust wrote...
Modifié par the_one_54321, 18 avril 2011 - 09:59 .
Gavinthelocust wrote...
BobSmith101 wrote...
Dave of Canada wrote...
MorrigansLove wrote...
You've truly opened my eyes to what I did not see.
You seem too blinded by the hate of the cliffhanger ending that you're not seeing the bigger picture, but then again... you're not even trying to argue reasonably, more interested in insulting people.
What bigger picture? The bigger picture where Bioware sells you the rest of the game?
MorrigansLove wrote...
Gavinthelocust wrote...
MorrigansLove wrote...
Magnificent bastard.
Edli wrote...
Are you including dlc in here because it sure didn't look to me like 2 years passed ingame. There is nothing mentioned in the game how some months passed or something like that. Maybe I'm wrong so I'm curious how do you know that Origins spanned two years?
Your question was ill-defined. Regardless of what you did with them, they are in the Gallows after.I didn't ask where they were, but what I did with them. They are of course, different questions.
No correction about my assumption about there status in act 3 with the mages? Then they are alive in act 3.No actually, more the endgame state.
You asked how the issue resolved, they walked out.After what happened in the keep?
All the "don't know" are pretty obviously opportunities for player choice, as are the ones we've yet to nail down are they not?
Modifié par TJSolo, 18 avril 2011 - 10:06 .
BobSmith101 wrote...
Upsettingshorts wrote...
Blame? What are you talking about? The story begins with him being dragged into an interrogation. The story ends with the interrogation ending. It's a frame narrative. Some people really don't like it.
Well if you see it that way it's obviously Varrics fault for being a bad storyteller when it came to the Hawke part.
Like I said pages ago framed narratives are two a penny, the good ones catch up in real time at some point. If they never catch up, then you just end up giving away the ending before you even start.
Any0day wrote...
This thread has completely turned into a poo fest - Gavinthelocust & MorrigansLove -- if you're not adding to the discussion please stop posting.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the events of DAO take a little over a years time. I don't have a quote ready but I'm pretty sure it was the developers that said it.
TJSolo wrote...
Your question was ill-defined. Regardless of what you did with them, they are in the Gallows after.
TJSolo wrote...
No correction about my assumption about there status in act 3 with the mages? Then they are alive in act 3.
TJSolo wrote...
They walked out.
TJSolo wrote...
Obvious but it still entirely misses my point that DAO is not that fixed and Gavinthelocust would not be able to answer similar questions beyond a few deaths.
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 avril 2011 - 10:09 .
Yeah - he pretty much nailed it.Otterwarden wrote...
BobSmith101 wrote...
Upsettingshorts wrote...
Blame? What are you talking about? The story begins with him being dragged into an interrogation. The story ends with the interrogation ending. It's a frame narrative. Some people really don't like it.
Well if you see it that way it's obviously Varrics fault for being a bad storyteller when it came to the Hawke part.
Like I said pages ago framed narratives are two a penny, the good ones catch up in real time at some point. If they never catch up, then you just end up giving away the ending before you even start.
You used the example of "Usual Suspects" earlier didn't you? Awesome scriptwriting. In the end the deception is revealed and the reader/audience is allowed in on the "real story". In DA2 this framed narrative is simply an artifice sandwiched between two games. Yahtzee hit it on the nail with his "holding pattern" remarks.
www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2978-Dragon-Age-II
cljqnsnyc wrote...
For me, the big finale of DA2 is also it's biggest mistake and a perfect indication of just how incidental Hawke really was. In the end, Hawke's actions have absolutely no affect whatsoever on the outcome, it was preordained from the start........you're just a witness and nothing more. So what choice or role do you actually play in the grand scheme of things? Witness. What happens after this is anyone's guess. So why is this so called "Champion" important? Who can say? We certainly don't learn the answer in DA2....another huge mistake.
By contrast, The Hero of Fereldan did indeed have a major impact on that country's future. Everything from the fate of The Circle, Redcliffe, The Dalish, and multiple individuals, to the ruler of Orzammar and Fereldan itself. You even have the ultimate choice of life or death! You're not just important, you're essential!
From my viewpoint, there's no comparison between DAO and DA2 when it comes to the amount of impact you actually have on the world you live in. At least for me, in DAO, I FELT like The Hero of Fereldan when it was all said and done. In DA2, The Champion Of Kirkwall was just a title that held very little meaning.
Any0day wrote...
This thread has completely turned into a poo fest - Gavinthelocust & MorrigansLove -- if you're not adding to the discussion please stop posting.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the events of DAO take a little over a years time. I don't have a quote ready but I'm pretty sure it was the developers that said it.
Tommy6860 wrote...
My ending impression of DA2 regarding "my" Hawke, was that she left because she tired of templar/mage conflict and said, "The hell with this crap, I'm outta here!".
:lol:
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