AlanC9 wrote...
Psython wrote...
I am 25 years old, not the cantankerous old man some people seem to believe make up the entire hardcore rpg audience. I also play first person shooter and strategy games.
Of course, when we talk about cantankerous old RPG fans we actually mean someone who's about 35
AAHook2 wrote...
In this case, the audience was already pre-made and needed no great embellishment to sell Dragon Age 2.
Reminds me of the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan. The author died after 11 novels in the series and Tor Publishing hired another younger author to finish it.
I was excited just to finish the series as it's to me the finest series since Tolkien. Unfortunately for his debut, the new author made a lot of key mistakes. He tried inappropriately at times to inject his own modern tone and corny sense of humor into the story and many "hard-core" fans just railed against it.
Then there were a lot of debates about how hardcore fans were just being hard to please and that they really wouldn't accept anything that wasn't from the original author. Newbies were called noobs. Oldschoolers flexed the fact that they had been reading the series since they were 14 (like me).
Then the new author released his second effort in a series of three entries and I ended up finding it to be the finest entry in the series in years. Go fig.
I think healthy debate and detailed criticism does help to inform how to fix problems in a project. If Bioware really is a receptive participant in the process, we can indeed hope that these topics of mature debate will yield a good result, should the series continue. Video games are a fickle medium though. We'll indeed have to hold our collective breath until we see what the future actually brings.
Otterwarden wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Psython wrote...
I am 25 years old, not the cantankerous old man some people seem to believe make up the entire hardcore rpg audience. I also play first person shooter and strategy games.
Of course, when we talk about cantankerous old RPG fans we actually mean someone who's about 35
Would hate to know what you would call us then...
I think I saw you state your age somewhere... and the number looked unappealingly familiar
Otterwarden wrote...
AAHook2 wrote...
In this case, the audience was already pre-made and needed no great embellishment to sell Dragon Age 2.
Reminds me of the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan. The author died after 11 novels in the series and Tor Publishing hired another younger author to finish it.
I was excited just to finish the series as it's to me the finest series since Tolkien. Unfortunately for his debut, the new author made a lot of key mistakes. He tried inappropriately at times to inject his own modern tone and corny sense of humor into the story and many "hard-core" fans just railed against it.
Then there were a lot of debates about how hardcore fans were just being hard to please and that they really wouldn't accept anything that wasn't from the original author. Newbies were called noobs. Oldschoolers flexed the fact that they had been reading the series since they were 14 (like me).
Then the new author released his second effort in a series of three entries and I ended up finding it to be the finest entry in the series in years. Go fig.
I think healthy debate and detailed criticism does help to inform how to fix problems in a project. If Bioware really is a receptive participant in the process, we can indeed hope that these topics of mature debate will yield a good result, should the series continue. Video games are a fickle medium though. We'll indeed have to hold our collective breath until we see what the future actually brings.
www.amazon.com/Wheel-Time-Pc/dp/B00001XDKL/ref=sr_1_1
Didn't read the books, but did play the game. Don't remember much about it other than the gameplay style was not what I was used to.
Working within an established creative setting imposes more restrictions and limitations, as might something like an intention to sell movie rights. The ME series is supposedly going to be made into a film movies.ign.com/articles/109/1092495p1.html + masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_%28film%29, and the trailer for ME3 was a bit preoccupying in that sense, because it was so Earth centric. Really hoping that this nagging fear proves completely unfounded.
Not incapable. Just don't feel like typing out some long ass post. It sure other ppl have taken care of that for me a million times over.AlanC9 wrote...
bussinrounds wrote...
You are lost.Volourn wrote...
"fail to see how BG was a 'dumbed down' version of D&D, unless you are figuring in that some of the math was off (unoffically patched btw) and it didn't have every single spell available -- especially considering you're comparing DA with BG (lol?). If anything, DA is the severely ''dumbed down'' version considering how hard it tries to emulate d&d without actually being d&d... "
BG cut out secondary skills, non weapon proficiencies, rogue abiltiies were simplified (somewhat fixed in BG2), lack of specialty priests (somewhat fixed in BG2), a dumbed down reputatrion system that could be cheated by simply paying money at temples, lack of real role-playing and choice, shallow one note characters that simply don't change ever (improved greatly in BG2), lack of targeted attacks.... need I go on?
DA, in comparison to BG, has mukliple starting points, warriors that had more options in combat, non combat skills, characters that grow, deeper writing, less black vs white, more choices, and so on so forth.
Yup... but DA is 'dumbed down BG'. Give me a break. i lvoed BG when ity came out but it's nowhere in the same league as DA when it comes to sophistication, depth, and actual role-playing. BG2 is an improvement on BG2 but not quite at the level of modern BIO RPGs including the ActioN RPG ME series.
So you're utterly certain Volourn's wrong... and yet, completely incapable of articulating why he's wrong.
Dude, at least make an attempt.
Otterwarden wrote...
AAHook2 wrote...
In this case, the audience was already pre-made and needed no great embellishment to sell Dragon Age 2.
Reminds me of the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan. The author died after 11 novels in the series and Tor Publishing hired another younger author to finish it.
I was excited just to finish the series as it's to me the finest series since Tolkien. Unfortunately for his debut, the new author made a lot of key mistakes. He tried inappropriately at times to inject his own modern tone and corny sense of humor into the story and many "hard-core" fans just railed against it.
Then there were a lot of debates about how hardcore fans were just being hard to please and that they really wouldn't accept anything that wasn't from the original author. Newbies were called noobs. Oldschoolers flexed the fact that they had been reading the series since they were 14 (like me).
Then the new author released his second effort in a series of three entries and I ended up finding it to be the finest entry in the series in years. Go fig.
I think healthy debate and detailed criticism does help to inform how to fix problems in a project. If Bioware really is a receptive participant in the process, we can indeed hope that these topics of mature debate will yield a good result, should the series continue. Video games are a fickle medium though. We'll indeed have to hold our collective breath until we see what the future actually brings.
www.amazon.com/Wheel-Time-Pc/dp/B00001XDKL/ref=sr_1_1
Didn't read the books, but did play the game. Don't remember much about it other than the gameplay style was not what I was used to.
Working within an established creative setting imposes more restrictions and limitations, as might something like an intention to sell movie rights. The ME series is supposedly going to be made into a film movies.ign.com/articles/109/1092495p1.html + masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_%28film%29, and the trailer for ME3 was a bit preoccupying in that sense, because it was so Earth centric. Really hoping that this nagging fear proves completely unfounded.
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Gravbh wrote...
Stopped reading the thread at "casual(mainstream console)". So about 9 lines down. Regardless of what has been discussed, get over yourselves pc gamers(of which I am one).
Celestina wrote...
@OP
I'm a female college student. I'm not a dying breed of oldbie….yet I loved Origins and loathed the sequel.
fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...
I agree with you OP. I actually predicted all of this and warned Bioware over a year ago, before the game was even released. Here is the thread:
http://social.biowar...7/index/1882911
They are going to do what they are going to do and nothing will change them, other than them learning from their own mistakes. I'm not sure what the sales are like of this game, but I'm assuming that it still sold well even though a lot of us hate it.
JoshPloof wrote...
fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...
I agree with you OP. I actually predicted all of this and warned Bioware over a year ago, before the game was even released. Here is the thread:
http://social.biowar...7/index/1882911
They are going to do what they are going to do and nothing will change them, other than them learning from their own mistakes. I'm not sure what the sales are like of this game, but I'm assuming that it still sold well even though a lot of us hate it.
Lmao I like the first response to your thread was someone saying "You might as well give us a button to kill everything on screen, it'll essentially be the same thing" And that's EXACTLY what they did with Dragon Age 2
The Wheel of Time FPS is an excellent game and true to the setting. Except maybe for the fact that you can balefire Ishamael if you so choose.Vaike wrote...
Yet another awesome world completely butchered by Atari... Its really too bad the IP never found its way out from under their tyrannical stupidity.
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virumor wrote...
The Wheel of Time FPS is an excellent game and true to the setting. Except maybe for the fact that you can balefire Ishamael if you so choose.Vaike wrote...
Yet another awesome world completely butchered by Atari... Its really too bad the IP never found its way out from under their tyrannical stupidity.
I'd recommend it to any Wheel of Time fan.
Gravbh wrote...
Stopped reading the thread at "casual(mainstream console)". So about 9 lines down. Regardless of what has been discussed, get over yourselves pc gamers(of which I am one).
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