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[Dawnhorn]

I combed through the forums and couldn't find anything on this, so I apologize if there's a topic like this already.

I read the interviews and forums and it's confirmed there's a benefit to being loyal to Ashley/Kaiden/Liara in ME 2 if you romanced them in ME 1.

Quick Read:  Champion question is whether you miss out on deeper romance plot by romancing new person in ME 2.

I was just wondering if a new romance in ME 2, aside from the obvious upsetting the prior romancee, is actually disincented or if it's simply another pathway.  My guess is that Bioware won't 'punish' you, per se, but that we may miss out on a deeper romance plot option if you courted someone new in the sequel.

Any input would be great either from Bioware or from the consumers.  I'd just like reassurance that my romance with someone in ME 2 will blossom as much as it would as if it was continuing the romance from ME 1.

Thanks!

[Sylvianus]

I hope that those who have cheated their romance will not be able to finish the adventure with them in the end. Maybe flirting, but not achieved the romance. Or then a fewer opportunities for deep relationship, indeed.

[Mr Zoat]

I'm looking forwards to the "Ash, the reason I'm with Tali now is that she helped me with the Collectors while you called me a traitor" myself.

[Sylvianus]

I agree to think we can be hurt that she did not join us.

But can we also understand that it is beyond her strength to work for Cerberus.

Otherwise Ashley said she has confidence in you, but not Cerberus. Then she apologized.

Why Consider what she said in anger and she didn't think, not when her feelings, calm returned, as she wrote her letter in which she apologized and said her love for you ?

This is the real question.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

As long as we can get a deeper romance plot with our ME2 LI than I don't care. Liara was lame anyway.

[Redhot_1]

I don't get how there can be dire consequenses. It's been 2 years since you last meet, doesn't it make sense if I have moved on and wanna spend my time with someone else.

[LTKerr]

What about being "loyal" to Tali or Garrus? It's not our fault they were not romance options until ME2. Choosing one of them (no romance in ME) should be an option as valid as choosing Ashley, Liara or Kaidan. Shepard knows them from the first game as well.

[Sylvianus]

I don't get how there can be dire consequenses. It's been 2 years since you last meet, doesn't it make sense if I have moved on and wanna spend my time with someone else.

Nah it makes sense, because when she sends you this letter, your relationship with another LI has not yet begun. So while being aware she was still in love with you, you have voluntarily decided to move on.

When she learns that despite the letter a few months later, you slept with someone else, Especially since you're still with somebody. it can have consequences.  Now what ? That is the question.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 avril 2011 - 05:06 .

[Redhot_1]

^Well, I suppose we'll just have to see for ourselves

[Sylvianus]

Yeah. That's why I said hopefully. But in fact I'm almost convinced that the consequences will be negligible. However, it would be a nice surprise.

[Dawnhorn]

LTKerr wrote...

What about being "loyal" to Tali or Garrus? It's not our fault they were not romance options until ME2. Choosing one of them (no romance in ME) should be an option as valid as choosing Ashley, Liara or Kaidan. Shepard knows them from the first game as well.

This is exactly my concern.  Knowing Bioware, they will still acknowledge your romance.  However, my only hope is that the 'benefits of staying loyal' are not as huge being I'd like to have a romance really flourish with a ME 2 LI.  I have two saves right now (one completely loyal to Liara, one completely loyal to Ashley), but my preference is actually to have Tali be my cannon LI.  

To me, she was a deeper connection and a personality extremely similar to my IRL wife's.  So, I'd just like to have Shepard wind up with her.  I know this is possible, but I'd also be kind of dissapointed if the LI in ME 2 is not as deep as the one from ME 1.

[yoshibb]

Dawnhorn wrote...

LTKerr wrote...

What about being "loyal" to Tali or Garrus? It's not our fault they were not romance options until ME2. Choosing one of them (no romance in ME) should be an option as valid as choosing Ashley, Liara or Kaidan. Shepard knows them from the first game as well.

This is exactly my concern.  Knowing Bioware, they will still acknowledge your romance.  However, my only hope is that the 'benefits of staying loyal' are not as huge being I'd like to have a romance really flourish with a ME 2 LI.  I have two saves right now (one completely loyal to Liara, one completely loyal to Ashley), but my preference is actually to have Tali be my cannon LI.  

To me, she was a deeper connection and a personality extremely similar to my IRL wife's.  So, I'd just like to have Shepard wind up with her.  I know this is possible, but I'd also be kind of dissapointed if the LI in ME 2 is not as deep as the one from ME 1.

The only way the 'cheating' thing should matter is if you want to get back with your original LI in ME1. Otherwise I suspect there would just be a little talk to confirm it's over and that's it. I don't think one romance will be deeper than the other. Both ME1 and 2 romances have each one game which developed the romance. The LI in ME1 barely said boo to Shepard so there really wasn't that much development. Therefore, all the romances in my opinion have the same deepness and development for ME3.

[jeweledleah]

1. it hasn't been 2 years for Shepard. its been few months at most - busy months. so you are moving on rather quickly there.
2. I highly doubt that your old LI joining you for a mission to stop the reapers will hinge on whether you moved on or not.
3. what I'm hoping for is that you lose a chance to rekindle the old relationship if you moved on, and you no longer get some of the non plot specific dialogue, while if you stayed faithful - not only you get to rekindle the romance, you also get extra dialog and maybe an extra scene or several.
4. I'm also hoping for development of ME2 romances and possibly addressing old vs new relationship, including tension between the two. if you didn't romance anyone in ME1 - then you don't get that tension to deal with and possibly they get along better with old squadmates.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 17 avril 2011 - 05:21 .

[Sylvianus]

1. it hasn't been 2 years for Shepard. its been few months at most - busy months. so you are moving on rather quickly there.
2. I highly doubt that your old LI joining you for a mission to stop the reapers will hinge on whether you moved on or not.
3. what I'm hoping for is that you lose a chance to rekindle the old relationship if you moved on, and you no longer get some of the non plot specific dialogue, while if you stayed faithful - not only you get to rekindle the romance, you also get extra dialog and maybe an extra scene or several.
4. I'm also hoping for development of ME2 romances and possibly addressing old vs new relationship, including tension between the two. if you didn't romance anyone in ME1 - then you don't get that tension to deal with and possibly they get along better with old squadmates.

I love your mind. I hope Bioware will follow this.

I hope that Shepard would automatically say in the dialogue it has had a relationship with someone else. It is actually being with someone else.

[DalekBob]

Chances are they won't make the ME2 relationship less meaningful than the ME1 since that'd mean they'd have to shaft players who never even played the first game as well. For one thing I don't imagine the ME2 love interest will be angry about it for one thing. They can all be present when Liara kisses you on Illium or when Ash/Kaidan say they love you, so they all presumably know about your former relationship (something that was annoyingly never brought up in any of the dialogue).

One thing I'd also expect (or rather hope) is that the VS reacts differently depending on the person. One thing that really let Horizon down is that it was clearly written with Ashley in mind given the emotional and aggressive nature of the dialogue. This is kind of awkward given that Kaidan and Ash were always shown to be polar opposites when it came to personality (just compare the love triangle scene with Liara and see how differently they react) so I'm hoping they fix this in ME3. With Ashley I have no problems imagining her getting angry since her letter makes it very explicit she wants to get back with you and given her emotions first altitude things are gonna get sticky. Add to that all the variables (with Miranda your choosing someone who's an enemy of the alliance, with Jack your choosing a psycho over her, Tali and Ash seemed to be friends judging by the elevator conversations so that will double the betrayal).

With Kaidan on the other hand I think things should be a lot different. His E-mail is way less decisive, plus he was dating, and even though his heart wasn't in it, he can't technically call it cheating. Given that he handles the Liara situation very calmly, I guess he won't be outright angry, but will probably be hurt and disappointed that Shepard didn't give him a chance to patch things up and miffed that she got over him so quickly when it took him 2 years to get over her.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I'm still hoping for more love triangle mechanics, but only because I want to see the reactions.

Edit: also, everything DalekBob said about Ash and Kaidan, +1

I consider Kaidan and Shepard's writing on Horizon the series' sole serious failure at in-character writing.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 17 avril 2011 - 05:52 .

[Sebby]

I wonder if there'll be any negatives for "romancing" Kelly with regards to ME1 LI.

[Sylvianus]

No there will not be. Kelly is not a romance, is not considered as a romance, there isn't succes for. Anyone can have it without worry.

But hey, I never found interesting Kelly. She knows how to have fun ... but that's it ...

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 avril 2011 - 06:15 .

[breakdown71289]

Ashley: YOU CHEATED ON ME!!!!!
Liara: YOU CHEATED ON ME!!!!!
Kelly: Goodbye Shepard.....
Shepard: Wait, what!? XD

[Sylvianus]

Why Kelly would leave you ? She seems to be a person open mind...

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Sylvianus wrote...

No there will not be. Kelly is not a romance, is not considered as a romance, there isn't succes for. Anyone can have it without worry.

But hey, I never found interesting Kelly. She knows how to have fun ... but that's it ...

But save games have a flag for flirting with Kelly. Thus, this mostly likely would be transferred to ME3. It's up to the writers whether it would change just a couple of dialogue lines or the whole romance subplot.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I'm actually hoping that there is a way to pick which LI you want to stick with in the game if your LI was Liara. I never got the Shadow Broker DLC so I was never able to tell her I wanted to stay with Miranda. Since I'm sure there's going to be this kind of option for the VS hopefully the Devs also put it in there for Liara and don't assume that everyone has the Shadow Broker and made their choice.

[Sylvianus]

But save games have a flag for flirting with Kelly. Thus, this mostly likely would be transferred to ME3. It's up to the writers whether it would change just a couple of dialogue lines or the whole romance subplot.

Maybe. But in my opinion Kelly will be considered only as entertainment. Shepard has no feeling for her, so he will not talk about her, unlike her romance with Miranda, Tali or Jack for who he has true feelings..

Kelly may well be just a one night flirtation.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 avril 2011 - 06:32 .

[Thrombin]

I'm also wondering what happens if you break up with your ME2 romance. I notice that the photo of your ME1 romance is back on show if you do. So, does that mean that you're considered the same as if you'd been faithful?

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Sylvianus wrote...

But save games have a flag for flirting with Kelly. Thus, this mostly likely would be transferred to ME3. It's up to the writers whether it would change just a couple of dialogue lines or the whole romance subplot.

Maybe. But in my opinion Kelly will be considered only as entertainment. Shepard has no feeling for her, so he will not talk about her, unlike her romance with Miranda, Tali or Jack for who he has true feelings..

Kelly may well be just a one night flirtation.

Sure, she may. I'm just sain' this as least can be transferred to ME3 and somehow referenced there, so we would have to play 100% to find out for sure.