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[Peteed]

I have owned the game for years and haven't played it much cause I can't work out gear system or class creation.

How do you build a good character? Cross class build or pure of one class? How do you work out best spell/ability/stat to choose?

For gear how do I know when to use a piece of not? How do I know if stats will stack or not? Are monks really best naked with no weapons since adding those far as I understand it makes all your abilitys not work/not work right?

Gear with +1 and +2 and +8 and all that seems to say the same dmg far as I can see except on the name?

I can't kill anything as anything but a fighter type cause they have 10 times the HP of a caster at level 1. As wizard with like 8 or 12 HP I just keel over in a attack or 2 and also have only 1 or 2 spells before I run out and then can't rest cause enemys are near.

Please help a noob who in hours and hours of playing and trying to work this out couldn't get more than 1/2 into act 2 of first campaign as a fighter and couldn't get any other off the ground . Only way I beat game so far has been cheating with god mode or one of those leveling and gearing mods making me 40 instantly with the most uber gear in existance and i'd really like to learn to play right to not cheat like that

Been looking for years for a guide explaining how gear and builds and stats all work but draw a blank. Seems the games made for those who played P&P D&D and to confuse the hell out of us D&D system noobs.

[Gregor Wyrmbane]

This is probably the best place to start.

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

And if you want something for the OC, you might find something in the way of a decent build here.

nwn.bioware.com/guilds_registry/viewforum.html

Modifié par Gregor Wyrmbane, 17 avril 2011 - 05:20 .

[Peteed]

Gregor Wyrmbane wrote...

This is probably the best place to start.

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

And if you want something for the OC, you might find something in the way of a decent build here.

nwn.bioware.com/guilds_registry/viewforum.html

So games so complex that I have to read hundreds of pages on a wiki to start playing? I'm legally blind in one eye and not full vision in the other so reading more than a few pages is a struggle.

[Shadooow]

Peteed wrote...
How do you build a good character?

You must know what you need, what you play and add a personal preferences to it too.

Most singleplayer modules are playable with everything. And there is no sense of making a "powerbuild" in singleplayers too. The "builds" are made almost everytime for max level and you won't reach it in SP, also powerbuilds are saving skills at earlier levels and making "skill dumps" very late, and you can't afford this in OC.

If you want a suggestions about base abilities, try to download community patch in my signature and use recommended button. I changed the old recomended abilities to new ones that doesnt put even a point into ability that class cannot use. This allowed to raise basic abilities like con, str, int. Try it, really.

Peteed wrote...
Cross class build or pure of one
class?

There is no sense to make a pure build really. But since it can give you a penalty on experiences most build guides doing this on later levels (if its not prestige class). Even if you are playing fighter, it really helps to take a level of rogue at lvl 2, 7 and every fifth level thereafter to take a skills that fighter cant take as class -> tumble, open lock, disable trap, use magic device...

Peteed wrote...
How do you work out best spell/ability/stat to choose?

This is all very environment specific and again to work this out, you must know what you want to achieve.

Peteed wrote...
For
gear how do I know when to use a piece of not? How do I know if stats
will stack or not? Are monks really best naked with no weapons since
adding those far as I understand it makes all your abilitys not work/not
work right?

Items with ability bonuses are stacking together up to +12 cap on each ability. Anyway NWN Wiki is your friend, if you really want to become a professional powerbuilder, you must learn everything written there and if I wake up in 3 AM and ask you what BAB progression have harper scout you must know the answer

For monks, they usually uses robes and either kamas or gloves but they can use any other weapon depending on what is monk in that build used for, just not shield neither any other armor than robe.

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 17 avril 2011 - 05:56 .

[Shadooow]

Peteed wrote...

So games so complex that I have to read hundreds of pages on a wiki to start playing? I'm legally blind in one eye and not full vision in the other so reading more than a few pages is a struggle.

No you will make fine without any knowledge. But the knowledge makes the difference. If you know that you gain +1 ac for every 5 ranks in Tumble skill then you take it via rogue level and it will increase your character lifetime.

Also, if you are getting hard times during play, you can always lower game difficulty, or get an henchman.

[Shadooow]

Also few tricks and hints:

global

- dont rush into pack of enemy if you are not confident enough, instead use ranged weapon which will give you advantage of 1-3 shots before they reach you
- if you know that you will fight something, boost yourself with a potions and your own spells

classes

wizard/sorcerrer - take a fire memphit familiar, he is immortal at lower levels and you can cast burning hands/fireballs on him without hurting him. If you choose wizard, take General spell school!

bard - dont play bard class without at least 10-12 constitution score, thats really hard then at least for first levels, use ranged weapon and put skills into Perform so you can get better benefits from Bard Song

ranger - for NWN OC take undeads as first favored enemy, then humans, for SoU get goblinoids, reptilians, for HotU take Elves, outsiders

cleric - take trickery domain

monk - use ranged weapon from start until your AC/HPs get better (potions of owls wisdom/cats grace helps a lot)

druid - use your animal companion and summon another creature and use them as a meat shields, and you fight in bear shape after you boost yourself with spells

barbarian - use rage before combat cos you wont be able to fight for one round after you use it

[Peteed]

Lowlander wrote...

I generally multiclass Rogue/Combat classes. I would never pure class these.

classes that can benefit most from pure classing are generally spell casters.

As a newbie, I would recommend starting with one of the combat classes. You can build one of these adequately (but not optimally) as simple as just hitting the recommend button.

Spell casting classes are physically weaker and will require more planning, research care. It gets beyond simply character building, to spell choice, planning and usage. I would recommend you avoid unless really in love with the idea of spell casting and as Newbie I would recommend Clerics as they are durable and versatile spell casters.

I have been playing since the game came out and I don't play spell casters, but that is more personal preference.

Do you have an idea what you want to do/be just from reading class descriptions??

I enjoy character building. Give me some ideas and I could whip up a custom character that could give a template to follow/ignore as you see fit?

I love the idea of a druid shapeshifter.

Also would love a class that uses a quarterstaff to melee. (not many games tend to use staffs for melle they all tend to get used as stat sticks for casters and melee staffs appeal to me)

Also would love a Fighter that dual weilds longswords maybe as a weapon Master.

Also would love a stealthing, lockpicking, trap disarming (and maybe even trap using) rogue type who can still do kinda ok in melee but I don't want him to fail on picking and disarming too much and want him to be able to stealth and pick and disarm while in stealth if possible.

Other than that not sure :S those are my main classes I like the idea of.

Problem I find with alot of builds is they don't say take this, this and this at this level and then say the next level.

Basically if theres just a list of all the abilitys and stats you want in the end but no breakdown of which to take each level I end up for example not having the right feats by 40 to get weapons master cause the BAB I think it was is too low.

I ask alot I know

[Peteed]

Grr it appeared after I retyped it all and submitted it >_<

Modifié par Peteed, 17 avril 2011 - 06:22 .

[NWN DM]

Just start playing - you'll learn as you go.

[Peteed]

Lowlander wrote...

Well you can't be all of those things, at the same time, some are quite specialized.

Weapon Master have probably the highest requirements of any build (6 feats).  IMO it is seldom worth it. I only do it when playing high level modules (like Hordes of the Underdark).

Dual wielding requires another 3 feats which definitely makes the dual wielding weapon master a bigger PITA.

Dual wielding long swords is also mechanically a bad choice. As you need high dex for dual wielding, and Strength to hit with the long swords. My favorite style is actually large Two Handed weapons, like the Greatsword. You generally do as much damage (or more than dual wielding) but it costs you no feats.

Where are you playing?  The original Campaign in Neverwinter? SoU, HotU? 

What about racial preferences? Humans are the most versatile, but Dwarves rock too. :-)

I recommend a Human Rogue/Ranger/Fighter  if you really want to  try dual wielding and stealth. I could structure this in such a way that you aren't over commited and you could use any weapon style and delay Weapon specialization to give you time to find your favorite weapon/style.

Rangers get more skill points and stealth as a class skill and dual wielding as a class skill. Fighter is in there for Weapon specialization, and Rogues for all thier great abilities.

Say the word and I will build this out to an appropriate level and explain the choices a  bit...

No no no I didn't mean all at once those were 4 different characters I was talking about.

I have OC and soU and HotU. so it'd be for all.

Human is ok I prefer Half Elf but theres not much benifit there as far as I know comppared to when you loose

Since weapon master dual weilding longswords is bad forget it then.

[HipMaestro]

Peteed wrote...
I have OC and soU and HotU. so it'd be for all.

Use one character for the OC to get to about level 17-18 and retire it. Then a separate character for the SoU/HotU series to get to about level 27-28.  Sure you can start SoU with a level 18 PC but combat will be very boring and XP very low.  Of course, you can restart the exact same PC for SoU/HotU, if you like.

Human is ok I prefer Half Elf but theres not much benifit there as far as I know comppared to when you loose

Humans get an extra feat at create.  Half-elves get those elvish benefits that escapes me at the moment. Pick your poison.

Since weapon master dual weilding longswords is bad forget it then.

The Bio campaigns are so ungodly easy just choose whatever weapons you enjoy the most.  Some folks like to dual-wield katanas even with the DW penalties.  Why?  Cuz it looks so dang kewl to them so they just eat the penalties.  Now, if you needed to squeeze every possible AB you could from a build just to hit stuff, then at that time get picky, but for these campaigns the enemies are very easy to hit so just have fun learning.

edit: BTW, if you have Excel loaded on your machine Kamiryn's Build Calculator will crunch all the numbers for you before you even start a game.

Modifié par HipMaestro, 18 avril 2011 - 04:38 .

[Peteed]

So yeah if you wanna make a few builds for me Lowlander i'd really appreciate it

As I said those 4 things were for 4 different character ideas/characters.

[Peteed]

 Lowlander the builds you gaave are a little confusing to me and so are some of the descriptions 

Disable Trap 20(22), Listen 20(19), Open Lock 20(22), Persuade 20(19), Pick Pocket 6(8), Search 20(22), Tumble 20(22), UMD 21(20)

Ok this just makes me go huh? no idea what the numbers in brackets mean compared to the numbers not in brackets. Also since its multi classing I have no idea when to put skill points into the skills cause on non rogue levelup levels the skills are mostly cross class and cost alot more and you never gave a break down of what level to do the skill points.

Didn't expect a staff using fighter really I was thinking staff would be more a druid type till you posted the build xD

The explanation of how the dire mace works has me a little confused as to if its considered dual weilding or using a 2h.

The explanations of how to modify the builds is a little confusing but I think I should be able to work out the modification myself anyway at least a little.

Main reason I was asking for the dual weild longswords before was that I hate a character looking lopsided if you know what I mean? non symetrical characters make me wince but I also have this thing where I hate short weapons looks like daggers and such though idk why and I don't like 2h much either .

[Peteed]

Ahh ok I stuffed up then xD was taking em cross class cause I figured not keeping em maxed was very bad

Do I want that exotic weapon proficiency no matter what for the options it opens up? Or if I plan to use say a longsword and a short sword should I ditch it for something else?

Katana or Bastard Sword are really just the same weapon with a different skin from the looks xD I assume Katana's being so small tend to look alot more plain than Bastard Swords.

So my weapon focus and all the weapon specific stuff should all be my main hand and not get special stuff for my offhand weapon type right?

What type of armour should I wear? Theres just so many to choose from and with stuff like Half Plate and Full Plate and Studded Leather and all that I get lost working out whats better. Is it purely the AC number when it comes to armour? The heavier stuff seems to have no/next to no AC bonus from Dex on it and so unless you have almost no Dex I can't see any point to the heavy armour.

Also the dire mace build you made me does it have left over skill points at all or not?

Sorry for asking so much

Modifié par Peteed, 20 avril 2011 - 10:35 .

[Peteed]

So by the looks of it the main thing I lock myself into weaponwise is dual weild since I took so many things in it.

One thing that I find odd is no weapon speeds listed and I would of thought a Bastard sword would take longer to swing than say a dagger cause of the weight/wind resistance/size.

I tried making a druid the other day in OC and when I went to the room for my final lesson at academy on they said put spells in spell book and heal a guy. What ended up happening was the skele for target practice in room made game not let me rest so I had to go all the way back and zone into the first room before I could rest lol.
That thing about not resting when enemys are in the same zone as you even miles off is just stupid when it goes to those lengths.

Oh what weapon for range would be best?

Modifié par Peteed, 20 avril 2011 - 05:29 .