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[Nashiktal]

Rifneno wrote...

Benchmark wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Because homicial blood mages are rare in Kirkwall?  If you go buy a loaf of bread in Kirkwall, there's a 30% chance blood magic was involved in making it.

Much easier than going to the store to buy yeast.

Where's my baking razor...

Exactly.  Orsino just had a case of the munchies.  He was trying to whip up a batch of cookies.  Never has cookies gone so horribly wrong.

Sadly enough this is probably an accurate prediction of what would happen if you baked with blood magic.

[LobselVith8]

Wulfram wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Doesn't Alain say he didn't know Thrask was working with Grace?

Alain is standing right next to Thrask when Hawke confronts Ser Thrask about the hostage, and Alain implies his rape as the reason he sided with Thrask. He specifically mentions Thrask as the person he sided with if Hawke asks why he joined the cause against Meredith.

Sorry, I meant that he didn't know Grace was involved when Thrask recruited him.

No need to be sorry! We're just having a friendly discussion about the lore and story of DA.

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Agreed. There's like 500+ mages and about 5 are sane.

And the problem is we encounter those mages outside of the Gallows, so we can't really attest to what the mages inside the Gallows are like because we're denied the opportunity to see what the Circle mages are like. The two mages we meet with any regularlity are Orsino and Bethany.

[Saephy]

Captain Cornhole wrote...
Even though the Templars might be jerks and treat the mages poorly in situations, who else is going to protect mages from themselves or other people for that matter. How many innocent people have suffered at the hands of the mages?

I`m actually curious about this, regardless of whether one support the Circle, the Chantry and the Templars, why is it that they have to actually mistreat the mages?

The game seem to go out of its way to throw crazy mages and bastard templars at you, presumably to make a grey situation, but why is it so many templars in Kirkwall can`t watch and protect the mages in their custody without resorting to abuse and mistreatment, the Circle in Ferelden seemed to be capable of that to some extent?
If the mages weren`t mistreated, sure they would probably still resent being contained, but less likely to be as desperate as they are, which seems to be a fairly common argument for them turning to blood magic in the first place.

Seemed to be a less dysfunctional Templar order and Circle in DA:O at least, so why is it so mumped up in Kirkwall?
I get that the Hellgate-thingy is what makes the mages more liable to have a bout of the crazies, but does it affect the templars too, or is it a "management problem" in the Kirkwall Templar order, as in, it is corrupt and thus let its Templars run amok?

I also have problems wrapping my head around how "Mages are dangerous and we fear them, therefore imprisoning them isn`t enough, we must also antagonize them as much as we possibly can" is a viable course of action.
I might be a coward, but if I was truly scared of someone whose presence I couldn`t avoid, I`m fairly sure the last thing I´d want to do is antagonize them any more than I had to.

Modifié par Saephy, 20 avril 2011 - 12:26 .

[stobie]

Leliana says that some group of Extremist Mages is behind everything in Kirkwall, doesn't she? Was there any evidence of this? I would have liked to see that - to get an idea that the mages were pushing the templars, not the other way around. As I saw it, it seemed to me that excessive repression had driven a lot of people crazy.

I assume they were trying for a balance - maybe they felt the mages were too obviously in the wrong, so they stuck in some diabolical templars? The trouble with that is, with the victims talking about it so openly, you'd have to feel it was condoned, and that rather than having their bits lopped off as should be, the offending templars would be instead, oh, say, sent to a retreat in the Thedas-Alps.

[Saephy]

But even if there are extremist mages pushing the templars, I still don`t understand the motivations of the offending templars at all.
I do not fully recall the Leliana dialogue you`re referring to, but if there is such a group pushing the templars I would guess they aren`t in the templars custody.
Why resort to abuse against mages they have confined already when it`s not necessary in the slightest?

In fact, if they have anything but a pile of broken bricks where their brains should be they should realize that it is counter-productive, and if nothing else one would think that fear they keep yapping about should keep them in check.
As detailed in my previous post I do not understand the argument in the least, as it seems so counter-productive as to be absurd.

"I`m scared of these mages, they are weapons! They can murder people with their minds! They can level cities with no more effort than swatting a fly! Thus I will heap indignities and abuse upon them even if I don`t need to and just for the heck of it. What can possibly go wrong?!".

If you`re an arachnophobic and suddenly spot a poisonous spider in your bedroom corner you A) drop the spider-glass on it and wait for reinforcements or keep your eye on it at all times while screaming for reinforcements or something similar.
At least you do not walk over to it and poke it with a stick or your finger, or otherwise get in its face.