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[erynnar]

Lalue wrote...

run from the forum while you can.....!!!!!

I wish you would. Or go find a thread where they are happy with the game. They do exist, I have been on them, and  unlike you, I don't troll them.

[Serpieri Nei]

erynnar wrote...

Lalue wrote...

run from the forum while you can.....!!!!!

I wish you would. Or go find a thread where they are happy with the game. They do exist, I have been on them, and  unlike you, I don't troll them.

I think the troll is off her meds. 

[Sacred_Fantasy]

DA 2 has very interesting concept but it's rushed out and miserable in it's execution. Lack of flesh out/exposition, disjointed plots, fail to address time moving properly, etc.... Too much disbelief element and disconnection to make it a good fantasy journey that involves you, the player .

Third person unreliable narrator story-within-story isn't appropriate for role-playing. It defy player role as the main character ( Varric and Cassandra are the main characters of DA 2 ) and it's arguable as valid story. It's illusionary. A dream. A past. A flashback. There is no real sense of development and accomplisment.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 18 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[erynnar]

Daewan wrote...

@OP (assuming OP isn't just a troll): It's not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. It's still better than most other games out there. It's a city campaign, so the story is somewhat restricted. A lot of people consider that a failing, but that's really the entire point of the game. It's still a good story, and it really does follow from Dragon Age: Origins, despite all the claims of plot holes and abandonment of the first story.
The companions are interesting and well-written. They're as good as any other companions that BioWare has ever written. Their personal goals and quirks are still just as annoying as they were in every other game.
The lore is in the game, but it's less obvious and takes more effort to find. There isn't any spoon-feeding of the story, and the game assumes you know the history from the first game, so there is less opportunity to stop and ask NPCs basic stuff that you should already know and the detail goes right into the journal instead of having a stilted, slightly insane conversation.
However, the game's detractors are very loud and it gets very tiring to be called a fanboy for not caring about certain things because you were too busy enjoying others.

Yeah, sorry that you get called that. I am glad you like the game. I get called a hater, it does get old doesn't it?  Again, not cool being called a fanboy or fanbois (obnoxious spelling for an obnoxious word).

I don't hate the game myself, OP. I just can't over look the points that Daewen pointed out and enjoy the game.  Really I see so much potential that is lost. DA2 while borrowing from ME2 didn't even get what it got right, let alone what DAO got right (all of the reasons I put on the critic thread and the review thread).  So, no, it isn't a good BioWare game. While that puts it above a lot of crap you find out there, it means from one with the rep and list of great games it has made..DA 2 is like a boil on BIoWare's bum.

[Maria Caliban]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?

It's probably my favorite BioWare game. I'd say it's about equal to BG 2, though BG 2 has far more content.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[erynnar]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Lalue wrote...

run from the forum while you can.....!!!!!

I wish you would. Or go find a thread where they are happy with the game. They do exist, I have been on them, and  unlike you, I don't troll them.

I think the troll is off her meds. 

ROFL! Apparently.

[Persephone]

Maria Caliban wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?

It's probably my favorite BioWare game. I'd say it's about equal to BG 2, though BG 2 has far more content.

It's my favorite Bioware game as well. But I do not believe in rankings anyway. There are Bioware games I love, like and those I dislike:

Love: DAII, DAO, BGII&TOB, JE (No particular order)

Like: KOTOR, ME, ME2, BG1 (Same)

Dislike: NWN, DAA, Sonic Chronicles (All equally rotten)

Modifié par Persephone, 18 avril 2011 - 02:05 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Persephone wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?

It's probably my favorite BioWare game. I'd say it's about equal to BG 2, though BG 2 has far more content.

It's my favorite Bioware game as well. But I do not believe in rankings anyway. There are Bioware games I love, like and those I dislike:

Love: DAII, DAO, BGII&TOB, JE (No particular order)

Like: KOTOR, ME, ME2, BG1 (Same)

Dislike: NWN, DAA, Sonic Chronicles (All equally rotten)

I've always found that funny the whole Bioware to me has always been about Fantasy RPGs, SciFi RPGs then BAM! Sonic the hedgehog title (Sonic Chronicles).  I was like is this a dream... This can't be real...

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 avril 2011 - 02:10 .

[Romantiq]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

DA 2 has very interesting concept but it's rushed out and miserable in it's execution. Lack of flesh out/exposition, disjointed plots, fail to address time moving properly, etc.... Too much disbelief element and disconnection to make it a good fantasy journey that involves you, the player .

Third person unreliable narrator story-within-story isn't appropriate for role-playing. It defy player role as the main character ( Varric and Cassandra are the main characters of DA 2 ) and it's arguable as valid story. It's illusionary. A dream. A past. A flashback. There is no real sense of development and accomplisment.

Concept is interesting indeed and I really wished they perfected it instead of rushing it out the door with their crazy marketing spree.

[Persephone]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?

It's probably my favorite BioWare game. I'd say it's about equal to BG 2, though BG 2 has far more content.

It's my favorite Bioware game as well. But I do not believe in rankings anyway. There are Bioware games I love, like and those I dislike:

Love: DAII, DAO, BGII&TOB, JE (No particular order)

Like: KOTOR, ME, ME2, BG1 (Same)

Dislike: NWN, DAA, Sonic Chronicles (All equally rotten)

I've always found that funny the whole Bioware to me has always been about Fantasy RPGs, SciFi RPGs then BAM! Sonic the hedgehog title (Sonic Chronicles).  I was like is this a dream... This can't be real...

Great. You just made me spit up coke and owe me a new keyboard!

Thanks for the laugh though!

[SoulRebel_1979]

The Woldan wrote...

Compared to all other Bioware games yes, it is definitely an inferior product and its not up to BW's usual quality. Overall, its a very mediocre game.

 

I agree with this. Medicrity is a good way to describe DA2. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Persephone wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?

It's probably my favorite BioWare game. I'd say it's about equal to BG 2, though BG 2 has far more content.

It's my favorite Bioware game as well. But I do not believe in rankings anyway. There are Bioware games I love, like and those I dislike:

Love: DAII, DAO, BGII&TOB, JE (No particular order)

Like: KOTOR, ME, ME2, BG1 (Same)

Dislike: NWN, DAA, Sonic Chronicles (All equally rotten)

I've always found that funny the whole Bioware to me has always been about Fantasy RPGs, SciFi RPGs then BAM! Sonic the hedgehog title (Sonic Chronicles).  I was like is this a dream... This can't be real...

Great. You just made me spit up coke and owe me a new keyboard!

Thanks for the laugh though!

I did that once, me and friend sitting on the beach in pouring rain drinking some cokes (why decided the perfect time to go to the beach was when torrential rain.. Who knows, I was a kid and children aren't know for having epic common sense), then some dude in a banana suit walked past us up the deserted beach. I swear the coke I was drinking at time came out of every orifice ~except my mouth. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 avril 2011 - 02:21 .

[KingDan97]

Well I've only played a few myself(DA2, DAO, ME2, ME, and roughly 2 hours of KOTOR[blasphemy I know])

I'm gonna say that it was rushed, but it is playable. There were things that bothered me so far as "streamlining"(I don't consider it casualization personally but I don't feel streamlining is right either because the things I take issue with are bad design choices not just making the game easier) but on the whole, I enjoyed the game, have played through it twice and have established some annoying habits when I go back to origins(pressing A for every attack, I swear I'll get the damned ladder just shut up!)

All in all, I consider it worth my 60$, I don't think EA has corrupted Bioware because I saw the same negativity thrown around when Mass Effect 1 launched, and Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age Origins and I'm sure we'll see a lot of whiners when ME3 launches that they've taken away from what makes ME2 "the best game evar". Quite frankly I view each game as it's own product, in regards to the industry as a whole and while there are a few devs/teams that have earned my loyalty to be optimistic about whatever they're putting out.(Valve, Bioware, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Todd Howard's team at Bethesda) I'll always look into a game I think is interesting and put a preorder down if I think I want it.(I mean I can cancel at any time regardless so why not?)

[Boiny Bunny]

For me, it would go something like (from best to worst):

KOTOR
DA:O
BG 1 & 2
NWN
ME
ME2
JE
DA2

[SexBomb]

devSin wrote...

DA2 is pretty bad, if you're ranking it with BioWare games (not so bad if you just pick today's average fare). It's so full of unrealized potential that it just makes you sad. Get it, and enjoy it, but expect to catch glimpses of what could have been great ideas but for being squandered on a game that took five days to make.

Totally agree.  I wasn't just disappointed by the game, but by all the ideas and characters that could have been so fantastic, with a little extra work.  There was a lot of potential, but it wasn't utilized properly.  I was telling my friend recently that I'm horribly disappointed, because Fenris SHOULD be my favourite BioWare character of all time (of all time!) but that I just can't like him, because the game made him flat and uninteresting, and the entire storyline was just a mess.  It had a lot of good things going for it, but even more bad things.  That's where the real disappointment comes from, for me.

[IlluminaZer0]

I agree that Dragon Age 2 is a flawed game, but I find myself really enjoying the gameplay. I find myself enjoying DA2 core game-play far more then KOTOR, DA:O, and the Baldur's Gate series.

If only:

1) There was a greater sense of change in the city of Kirkwall between each time jump.
2) The 3rd act wasn't so... OMG. More general build-up of the primary conflict rather then peripherally related sub-plots.
3) It wasn't a recollection.
4) Greater ability to effect plot with player choice.
5) Less bugs on release, like seriously.

Reused areas didn't really bother me much, personally. I wonder though if it's primarily an art asset issue or a game mechanic issue (such as AI pathing).

I really wonder what the DLC will be like, actually. If the DLC adds more enemy diversity and increases the challenge even further I will be pretty happy. If the DLC (more like expanion perhaps) has a plot where my choices dramatically alter the plot in some fashion, even better.

[astrallite]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?

Metacritic aggregate critic scores:

I. Baldur's Gate 2: 95
II. Mass Effect 2: 94
III. Baldur's Gate: 93
IV. Knights of the Old Republic: 93
V. Dragon Age Origins 91
VI. Mass Effect: 91
VII. Neverwinter Nights: 91
VIII. Jade Empire: 89
IX. MDK2: 83
X. Dragon Age 2: 82
XI. Sonic Chronicles: 74

Second worst all-time according to the critics.

Modifié par astrallite, 18 avril 2011 - 03:32 .

[Liou]

I have never played Baldurs Gate, Jade Empire, KOTOR etc. So i don't know how it compares to them. But compared to the two Mass Effect games and Origins, it is very bad. Heck it is bad by any standard. What ruined the game for me was...
- The combat system. While i would have prefered the tactical combat from origins, i could have accepted the hack n slash approach if it was fun... but it wasn't. In a game which mostly consist of combat, that is obviously a very very bad thing. And the waves of enemies who appears out of nowhere again and again was SO annoying.
- Long loading times. Again, i could accept 30-40 seconds long loading times if the game didn't need to load often... but it did.
- Corrupted save games. Lots of them.
- Dialogue i shouldn't have had or didn't get. Very illusion breaking.
- Recycling of environments. Yes yes i know, Dragon Age II isn't the first BioWare game which did this but believe me, the problem has never been more prominent than in DA II.
- Quests you can't say no to although the game clearly gives you the option to do so. There is also atleast one quest which dosn't work.

The game was obviously rushed.

That said, Dragon Age II is not all bad. While the story wasn't really all that interesting, it definitely had it's moments of brilliance. The companions was, for the most part, interesting even if i would have liked more dialogue with them. And while the roleplaying elements was dumped down, atleast it was nowhere close to what they did with Mass Effect 2. With more development time and a better combat system, it could have been a great game.

Modifié par Liou, 18 avril 2011 - 03:37 .

[Slayer299]

Where does it rank with the rest of BW games? At the dead bottom.

How does it compare with BG2? They have the same BW logo on the box, but that's pretty much all they have in common.

[Il Divo]

It ranks about middle of the pack, for me at least.

My personal list:

Knights of the Old Republic
Mass Effect 2
Jade Empire
Baldur's Gate II
Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age II
Mass Effect
Baldur's Gate
Neverwinter Nights

[erynnar]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?

It's probably my favorite BioWare game. I'd say it's about equal to BG 2, though BG 2 has far more content.

It's my favorite Bioware game as well. But I do not believe in rankings anyway. There are Bioware games I love, like and those I dislike:

Love: DAII, DAO, BGII&TOB, JE (No particular order)

Like: KOTOR, ME, ME2, BG1 (Same)

Dislike: NWN, DAA, Sonic Chronicles (All equally rotten)

I've always found that funny the whole Bioware to me has always been about Fantasy RPGs, SciFi RPGs then BAM! Sonic the hedgehog title (Sonic Chronicles).  I was like is this a dream... This can't be real...

Sonic Chronicles? Really?  How did I miss that? And maybe I should be grateful I did?

[Ollymandias]

I enjoyed it. I even replayed it and rivalled the companions I had friendshipped the first time around.

The things I didn't like were the bugs (Merrill's Quest in act 3, the end of Murder of Crows) and little things like recycled environments. I found the combat on the PC to still be tactical and challenging on Hard, especially at higher levels, though the combat was definitely dumbed down for console.

I would have liked more interaction with the companions. I loved the interjections, like Fenris talking to the Arishok and so on, Anders busybodying me about whether or not Merrill was marriage material or demonbait scum, but I would have preferred if I could make Hawke initiate conversations. I got the impression that even though Varric has been a best bud for years and years, he will have no time for Hawke whatsoever unless it's at one of the six specific times you can talk. I miss being able to call Leliana over to do storytime for me, or I miss Alistair sidling over to initiate a ****ing-shamelessly-about-everyone-else-in-the-party session. It felt pretty weird when I gave Fenris the Sword of Mercy in Act 3 and Hawke finally got the option to say "Oh hey dude, you're from somewhere aren't you? What is Tevinter actually like?" He shouldn't be asking this NOW, after years and years of hanging out with the man.

I wish there had been a bit more replayability with variation within the story based on your choices. The end of Act 2 did have some player input as Isabela only shows up with the sacred book if she likes you, but in Act 3, whatever you did and whatever you chose, the story plowed ahead into the inevitable conclusion. I liked the addition of Nathaniel and Zevran in the final boss fight, coming to help you out if you've been good to them, but other than that you fight the two same bosses in the same order whatever you choose.

Also, it is hard to equip everyone because you can only have three friends with you at a time, and you can have exactly NO friends with you when you access your stash in your house. It is hard to compare everyone's stats and abilities too. I wish you could access everyone's equipped items and do everyone's level ups from your house instead of taking them out in batches of three to equip.

[Elanareon]

DA2 is below sea level.

[Riloux]

 It's easily the worst Bioware game to date.

[Iakus]

I agree with those who say DA2 is not as bad as some make it out to be.  At the same time, it's definitely one of Bioware's lesser works.  The game could have been great if only I had felt Hawke's choices had more impact on the story, and if the companions had more to say in their homes. 

I think part of the problem is this "just okay" came comes on the heels of DAO, which was an absolutely fantastic game.  Comparisons are inevitable.

Modifié par iakus, 18 avril 2011 - 04:44 .