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Is Dragon Age 2 really that bad compared to other BioWare games?


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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

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Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?


It's probably my favorite BioWare game. I'd say it's about equal to BG 2, though BG 2 has far more content.

:)


You can't be serious. :huh:


Why not?

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Because it's a big, stupid jellyfish!Image IPB


Pffffffffffffft. :devil:

Funny, that pattern of what Bioware games you are generously permitted to love these days.

Same thing if you call out BG on its butchery of a wonderful rulebook. Or give DAO the lashing it deserves over its game breaking bugs ala Alistair's "I'm KING!" delusion bug. Oh no, do NOT criticize those games, they are sacrosanct!

DAII reminds me of Caesar on the Ides Of March. Surrounded by dagger wielding "saviors of the Republic". (Just replace the Republic with DAO......) And we all know how killing Caesar saved the Republic, right?:devil:

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Perse, I was only jestingImage IPB


Oh, I know. Hence the :devil:. I do not use it when I am angry. We're all good.

Here, have an Alistair!:P

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Sabriana wrote...
Yes, and after that NWN 2 debacle, Obsidian came back with MotB. So there is hope that the next DA title will live up to bioware's usual above average talent(s).

(No, I don't want to talk about SoZ. SoZ does not exist in my universe :P)


My dear friend, I can only but entirely agree with this statement. Although I wished Bioware had learned from Obsidian's mistake and did not do what they did with DA:2 to begin with.

Ah well. *smirky sigh*

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Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Perse, I was only jestingImage IPB


Oh, I know. Hence the :devil:. I do not use it when I am angry. We're all good.

Here, have an Alistair!:P


Yay! Om Nom Nom Nom.

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I'd rank DA2 a little higher than Neverwinter Nights OC, but that's not saying much. Did love the expansion packs for NN though.

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NWN OC wasn't that great, but the toolset and the fact that you could play it multiplayer offered a lot more that DA:2 does on its own.

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Miashi wrote...

NWN OC wasn't that great, but the toolset and the fact that you could play it multiplayer offered a lot more that DA:2 does on its own.


Yes, and that's why most of us are careful to write NWN OC and not just NWN, but aye,

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DA2 is the lowest quality of Bioware's full games, although it is better than the Awakenings expansion. However DA2 is better than many other games I could list. 7/10 - enjoyable but not epic.

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I think people overreacted to the quality of the game. It's not bad by any means it's just that we know Bioware could have made the game so much better. They released this in less than a year and a half so it is lacking in quality, they should have taken more time on it and it seems a big jump from going from one big plot in one game (the blight and grey wardens) to something more minor yet making it big with barely any link (the mages) between the 2 games.

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If not for the bugs I'd put it above the Mass Effects, a few design changes and I'd put it above DAO... Too bad, I still like it but it clearly could've been more than it is. Not sure how I'd comapre it to the games of the good ol' days, hard to think about them without being overcome with nostalgia and just saying they were all better.

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I think DA2 is probably one of the worst Bioware ever did. I really can't say that Jade Empire, which was so far considered the least successful Bioware game, is any worse than DA2. Jade Empire does have a coherent story and motivation for their main character. Something DA2 completely lacks.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 avril 2011 - 03:26 .


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Rank? Hmm, I dunno. What I do know is that it ranks below DA:O and Mass Effect 2 for now.

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jollyorigins wrote...

I think people overreacted to the quality of the game. It's not bad by any means it's just that we know Bioware could have made the game so much better. They released this in less than a year and a half so it is lacking in quality, they should have taken more time on it and it seems a big jump from going from one big plot in one game (the blight and grey wardens) to something more minor yet making it big with barely any link (the mages) between the 2 games.


Its not purely about quality. Its mainly about tastes.

I have played the demo and borrowed the whole game from an aquaintance, just to have a look. I wouldn't have bought it anyway, regardless of the company producing it. In my opinion its just not worth my 60 bucks.

Just to give you an example. I'm playing Drakensang right now and whilst the graphics really aren't to my tastes, the cities give the impression of being alive and there's no need for endless hordes of enemies spawning to keep you on edge. And I might mention, that there are similiar frictions between mages and the rest of the people in this game. And they play out. Not in a spectacular way, but believable, thereby adding to the game's atmosphere.

Yes, with DAII they had some good ideas for their closed setting. But they didn't build on them. Creating some major problem and then totally discarding the implications is worse than creating a mediocre setting. They said its for the sake of fun, but in my opinion, they just have manoevered themselves into a dead end and not enough time left to work on damage control.

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Definitely about taste.

I read nothing but folks here who hate the game pretty viciously. I love it, though. Every time I start it up, I have to drag myself away to do something productive before I end up sitting at the computer for hours and hours. "Just one more quest!"

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JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?


It's probably my favorite BioWare game. I'd say it's about equal to BG 2, though BG 2 has far more content.

:)

You can't be serious. :huh:

I don't think it's a perfect game by any means. I have numerous criticisms and I'd say that it's obvious in places that the game could have used more development time.

That said, yes, it's my favorite BioWare game and I regard it as a significant improvement over its predecessor.

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 DA2 is an average game, but a horrible Bioware game. I've only played ME1-2 and DA:O, but compared to those DA2 doesn't hold a candle. 

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In my own personal ranking, I would place it last. It's not terrible, but it's far less innovative in the areas I care about, and in the one area that it claims to be most innovative I care least about.

Less character races leads to fewer options for the player to make main characters. This also leads to less potential for unique experiences in a playthrough due to character race. Streamlining the classes means less fighting style options, less spell options, fewer class specialization options for gameplay. Taking away the tactical camera is inconvenient.

Limiting weapons and armor to character classes limits player options once again and is just annoying since there is absolutely no logical reason for it. In a stat based game, if your character is strong enough to use a sword, why not let them use it even if they might not be the best at using it? Not allowing players to trade out NPC companion character armor also is a bit obnoxious. It's lazy design veiled in the excuse of roleplay realism. When in a life or death situation, most people would wear significantly better armor to survive even it it's not exactly what they prefer, even if it is pink and covered in sparkles.

The new visual style of combat doesn't seem to match the "dark and gritty" theme. Rogues doing unnecessary flips, kicks, teleporting about the battlefield while tossing smoke bombs with warriors swinging overly massive weapons often with one hand and mages spazzing out shooting bolts from their staves in an endlessly looped animation make me long for the slow and sometimes underplayed combat animations of the first game. The cutscenes also are very shoddy at times. Aveline killing her husband by stabbing a dagger THROUGH his steel breastplay from a static position, while Cassandra stabs a dagger straight through half a book in Varric's lap all in the first several cutscenes of the game. Find the strongest people you can and tell them to do either of these things, neither one is going to happen.

The story is by far the best part of DA 2 in my opinion. But the framed narrative doesn't seem to really add anything for the player other than making sure the player has to play as a human named Hawke. It seems more of a love note from the developers to the developers than a story with the interest of gamer's in mind.

Baldur's Gate 1 was a great game to me, and while I did not like every alteration made in Baldur's Gate 2, the universal feeling I got was one of "Give it more." More spells, fighting styles, items, abilities, dialogue and epic boss fights. Playing DA:O I saw alot of things that I hoped would be addressed, but these things were ignored and it felt to me as if DA 2's mantra was "Make it different!" Different isn't bad, but it isn't good either. I wish they would of worked more with the existing visual style, the existing playstyle and combat style instead of making it into such a bizarre hybrid. Instead of being so focused on capturing a new audience, they should of focused first on giving the fans "more" instead of being keyed in on "different" (or should I say "awesome?"). You run the risk in losing alot of fans if you change a successful product on many levels. They certainly lost me with DA 2. While not a bad game, DA 2 feels far inferior on multiple levels than the less-flawed previous game. I would feel like an idiot to buy it as it stands. Thank goodness for intuition, the demo, generous friends and YouTube Let's Players for confirming my suspicions.

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Ballaorf wrote...

Definitely about taste.

I read nothing but folks here who hate the game pretty viciously. I love it, though. Every time I start it up, I have to drag myself away to do something productive before I end up sitting at the computer for hours and hours. "Just one more quest!"


After about 15 hours I had to drag myself to the PS3 to play it. The constant waves and sheer tediousness of NM and the overall pointlessness of anything story based to motivate the quest.

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Yup. "One more Quest" syndrome right here too. I have to fight myself to turn off the PS3 and stop playing. It's just a really fun game. Compelling story, awesome action, interesting characters. The patch incoming will only make things better.

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But wait, you do have the awesome button in Dragon Age 2. None of the other games have that feature.

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jollyorigins wrote...

I think people overreacted to the quality of the game. It's not bad by any means it's just that we know Bioware could have made the game so much better. They released this in less than a year and a half so it is lacking in quality, they should have taken more time on it and it seems a big jump from going from one big plot in one game (the blight and grey wardens) to something more minor yet making it big with barely any link (the mages) between the 2 games.


Problem is I cannot rate a game based on could of, would of, should of. Only what is.

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DA2 is not really all that better or worse than other BIO games. Here's my ratings of BIO games that i've actually played in order.

1. NWN
2. BG2
3. DA1
3. DA2
5. ME1
5. ME2
7. JE
8. BG1
9. KOTOR

DA1 through JE can all be siwtched around since they're all about equal. KOTOR is easily the worst.

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I've played a lot of pretty bad RPGS, and to say DA2 ranks among them would be a lie - sure.
But anyone calling this game ''good,'' in my mind, is absolutely deluded; considering the fact that it barely even cuts it as an RPG.

It's more of a Diablo 2 style, and funny enough I would have ranked Diablo 2 as an rpg, but as it turns out its actually a ''hack-n-slash'' which seems appropriate I suppose.

My personal line up:

BG2
BG2 -TOB
NwN2-MotB
NwN-HotU
DAO
ME2
Kotor
BG1
ME1
nwn
Nwn2
NwN-Sou
Jade Empire
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DA2

Modifié par Any0day, 18 avril 2011 - 07:10 .


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"But anyone calling this game ''good,'' in my mind, is absolutely deluded; considering the fact that it barely even cuts it as an RPG.

It's more of a Diablo 2 style, and funny enough I would have ranked Diablo 2 as an rpg, but as it turns out its actually a ''hack-n-slash'' which seems appropriate I suppose."

no, u deluded