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[Bostur]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...
Baldur's Gate 1 was a great game to me, and while I did not like every alteration made in Baldur's Gate 2, the universal feeling I got was one of "Give it more." More spells, fighting styles, items, abilities, dialogue and epic boss fights. Playing DA:O I saw alot of things that I hoped would be addressed, but these things were ignored and it felt to me as if DA 2's mantra was "Make it different!" Different isn't bad, but it isn't good either. I wish they would of worked more with the existing visual style, the existing playstyle and combat style instead of making it into such a bizarre hybrid. Instead of being so focused on capturing a new audience, they should of focused first on giving the fans "more" instead of being keyed in on "different" (or should I say "awesome?"). You run the risk in losing alot of fans if you change a successful product on many levels. They certainly lost me with DA 2. While not a bad game, DA 2 feels far inferior on multiple levels than the less-flawed previous game. I would feel like an idiot to buy it as it stands. Thank goodness for intuition, the demo, generous friends and YouTube Let's Players for confirming my suspicions.

That sums up my expectations quite well. I had also hoped DA2 would have improved upon the concepts and style used in DAO, instead of throwing them all overboard and starting over from scratch.

[Volourn]

"FYI Black Isle/Obsidian/InterPlay/Bioware where all at one time one company or in bed together Black Isle/Interplay went the way of the doodoo bird (cant remeber why) and split into Bio and Obsidian as i recall"

Nope. BIO has never been a part of that group. They are a devloper and Interplay/BIS published their earlier games including their non RPG offerings early on like SS and MDK2. BIo through Interplay/BIS in the trash after Interplay cried about BIO 'taking too long' and Interplay crahsed and burned destroying BIS along the way while BIo chugged along.


"And yes this is the wrost Bio game to date next to the NWN orginal campaign"

You forgot KOTOR. That is BIO';s worst.

[Any0day]

Volourn wrote...

"FYI Black Isle/Obsidian/InterPlay/Bioware where all at one time one company or in bed together Black Isle/Interplay went the way of the doodoo bird (cant remeber why) and split into Bio and Obsidian as i recall"

Nope. BIO has never been a part of that group. 

Uhh. It's pretty common knowledge that they shared assets - they may have been 'called' different companies (because they were) but their development teams shared everything in one pool. Black Isle was sacked because Interplay was going down the tubes and they lost the right to make PC dnd games, and opted to make console games instead (back when pc gaming was bigger than consoles - lol).

[MorrigansLove]

Definitely my least favourite Bioware game to date. It just felt like one big side quest. I think naming this a true sequel to origins was the game’s biggest mistake. When it feels more like a sister product to Awakenings than a full, unique game.  It’s not a sequel to the epic Dragon Age: Origins, in any meaningful sense.

Modifié par MorrigansLove, 18 avril 2011 - 07:28 .

[Volourn]

They weren't part of that group. BIO was their own company. Next, youa re gonna claim that BIO was 'apart' of MS too just b/c they did JE and ME together. L0L

BIO is a aprt of EA.

BIO was never part of Interplay/BIS. Interplay hired BIO to make games as a developer and BIS - a division of Intyerplay - acted as publisher.

They didn't share assets 'in a pool'. They had a contract for certain games. Interplay had to pay BIO to use the IE. They didn't get it for free. When BIO sued Interplay over NWN a deal was eventually made that Atari got the rigths to publish NWN and Interplay was allowed to sue the IE one more time to develop IWD.

Not the same company. Not the same group.

Just like Obsidian is not a part of Squaresoft just b/c they were hired by SS to make DS3.

[Any0day]

Volourn wrote...

They weren't part of that group. BIO was their own company. Next, youa re gonna claim that BIO was 'apart' of MS too just b/c they did JE and ME together. L0L

That's really funny... You actually have no idea what I'm saying, it's kind of cute.

[Volourn]

What's funny is how ignorant you are about the situation.

But, hey, it's good to know that Troika was apart of the Sierra group and the Atari group.

R00fles!

[Il Divo]

Volourn wrote...

KOTOR is easily the worst.

[Stegoceras]

Il Divo wrote...

Volourn wrote...

KOTOR is easily the worst.

My thoughts exactly, but I guess different opinions and tastes and all that, I do wonder how many would agree with that though.

[Volourn]

Probably very few. Too many SW fanboys around.

[JedTed]

It's not my favorite Bioware game of all time but i still had fun with it and i'm looking forward to what DLC they put out.

[LOLZAO]

A bad game compared to another bioware game(Me2 and DA:O for example)

A good game compared to most others.

[jmbrosendo]

Any0day wrote...

Volourn wrote...

"FYI Black Isle/Obsidian/InterPlay/Bioware where all at one time one company or in bed together Black Isle/Interplay went the way of the doodoo bird (cant remeber why) and split into Bio and Obsidian as i recall"

Nope. BIO has never been a part of that group. 

Uhh. It's pretty common knowledge that they shared assets - they may have been 'called' different companies (because they were) but their development teams shared everything in one pool. Black Isle was sacked because Interplay was going down the tubes and they lost the right to make PC dnd games, and opted to make console games instead (back when pc gaming was bigger than consoles - lol).

Black Isle handled distribution of Bioware's games(Baldur's Gate), but nothing more. They were responsible for producing Fallout, Icewind dale and Planescape Torment.

If memory recalls me right they were the cRPG branch of Interplay.

[Il Divo]

Volourn wrote...

Probably very few. Too many SW fanboys around.

You caught me. SW fanboy through and through (Kotor being my favorite Bioware game). It's just very rare that I see Kotor listed as Bioware's worst. At the very least, your list is a refreshing change of pace.

[randName]

Il Divo wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Probably very few. Too many SW fanboys around.

You caught me. SW fanboy through and through (Kotor being my favorite Bioware game). It's just very rare that I see Kotor listed as Bioware's worst. At the very least, your list is a refreshing change of pace.

Never liked SW, but I like KOTOR - so figures, it had problems on the other hand (and in many ways KOTOR2 was better thought out, but gimped by lack of production time/quality).

[Il Divo]

randName wrote...

Never liked SW, but I like KOTOR - so figures, it had problems on the other hand (and in many ways KOTOR2 was better thought out, but gimped by lack of production time/quality).

This, especially. If Obsidian had actually been given the time to perfect Kotor 2, I would have held it far above its predecessor. Kreia alone was a brilliant character.

It really is a shame though; as a developer, I feel like Obsidian is more innovative than Bioware, but their games keep getting screwed by either production time/glitches/other factors.

[Logikal1]

 Dragon Age 2 is bad compared to anything found on freeaddictinggames.com 

At least when you play one of those you know from the start that you're about to be wasting your time.

[Ballaorf]

Volourn wrote...

"But anyone calling this game ''good,'' in my mind, is absolutely deluded; considering the fact that it barely even cuts it as an RPG.

Sir, you put NWN over BG2 in your list! I contend that it is you who are deluded!

[AlexXIV]

Volourn wrote...

Probably very few. Too many SW fanboys around.

Erm I am not a SW fanboy. For example I hate TFU for obvious reasons. But KotOR was better than Jade Empire and DA2. Just sayin'. Even KotOR2 was better than DA2 (I know, not a Bioware game, but still).

[randName]

Ballaorf wrote...

Volourn wrote...

"But anyone calling this game ''good,'' in my mind, is absolutely deluded; considering the fact that it barely even cuts it as an RPG.

Sir, you put NWN over BG2 in your list! I contend that it is you who are deluded!

NWN is rather good besides the NWN OC that isn't (it being terrible)

[FellowerOfOdin]

Yes.

/thread

[Rockfist]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hmm I don't want to go back through every Bioware title but from ones that immediatley spring to mind...

Decending from my personal favorites to worst. Now bare in mind some I haven't played in while so might be big scewed because going off memory of what was like. But in general it's not too far off for me.

Dragon Age Origins
Mass Effect 1
Baldurs Gate Series
Neverwinter Nights
Mass Effect 2
Kotor
Jade Empire
MDK2
DA2

*Edited*

Funny, i recall some weeks ago when this game came out you were one of the most vocal fanboys of Dragon Age 2 and telling everyone else they weren't entitled to their opinion. Nice to see your opinion has no substance and changes with the wind.

Now i wonder when Volourn will do the same.

[DaeJi]

Have I have not played any BioWare game prior to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. That said, here is how I would rate the games made since then:

(Best to Last)
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect
Jade Empire
Mass Effect 2
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Dragon Age 2
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood

So, Dragon Age 2 is at least better than Sonic. None of these are actually bad games, but a bad BioWare game is, for many it seems, a greater letdown than other bad games since BioWare is so highly regarded for their unforgettable experiences. And unfortunately, Dragon Age 2 didn't deliver for some people.

[Haexpane]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Where does it rank in all other BioWare games of all time? How does it compare with Baldur's Gate 2?

For me

• Baldur's Gate 2 + expansion
• KOTOR
• Jade Empire
• Dragon Age Awakenings
• Dragon Age Origins
• Mass Effect
• My cat talking about Jade Empire 2
• ...
• ....
• ...

    99. DA2
   100. ME2

[Sathirill]

Girchou wrote...

I liked the game. more than Origins. more than ME2.

How?????? compared to other bioware games i have played it is terrible out of all games it ranks pretty high. dao had an epic 120 hour tale while the most you can get out of da2 is like  40 hours 50 with dlc and all side quests 15 hours without on da2 45-60 without side quests more time gives the story time to expand and attach you to it. the made da2 like mass effect as well. that might work with mass effect but not with da