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[Jasons073]

So I finished the Urn of Sacred Ashes to revive Eamon and he refused to let Jowan go...so I was forced to leave him to the Circle of Magi.  I was disappointed with this outcome, especially when I heard that there apparently is a random encounter than can occur where you can find Jowan and decide his final fate personally.  My questions are:

1) Is it possible (via high cunning/persuade/intimidate) to get the Arl to let Jowan go?
2) Does he ever show up at the circle if he's forced to go there?
3) Is that random encounter still in the game, and if so, will it be triggered?

[JamesX]

Arl never lets Jowan go. At least not when I tried on my 2 run throughs. I ended up just releasing him in he dungeon from the get go.



And it is not a random encounter, it is a chantry mission IIRC.

[Miguelitosoyyo]

I persuaded Eamon to send Jowan to the Circle but I haven't seen him there. I think there was an option to release him but I chose the circle option.

[Haasth]

Miguelitosoyyo wrote...

I persuaded Eamon to send Jowan to the Circle but I haven't seen him there. I think there was an option to release him but I chose the circle option.

Eamon just says that's not going to happen, if you ask to release him. At least that;s what happened on mine. Perhaps with a very high persuade/cunning level you can do that.

Or perhaps if you let Jowan redeem himself by going through the Fade.

[Dagganoth_]

i think you can (was quite some time ago) but the best bet would be to get the best ending (have no one die and have Jowan go into the fade) which is HARD as Joawn as no potions and little healing ability

[Herethos]

I convinced the earl to turn Jowan over to the circle. Nothing was mentioned about him at the end of the game.

[Taritu]

I had him go to the fade, and the Arl still wouldn't let him go. Don't remember my coercion skill, but it was at least 3 and probably 4 by that point, though my cunning wasn't that high (warrior). He sent him to the circle (which would probably mean, at best, getting turned into a tranquil, which Jowan REALLY didn't want.)



Of course, the Arl doesn't know that Jowan really was trying to do something good in the Fade and just not save himself (the dialogue with the demon makes that clear.)



I think if you want him free, you probably have to do it with Bann Teagan after the kid is saved and before the Arl is awoken.

[Vanth]

I had Jowan go into the fade too. And the Arl sent him to the mages.

[AKofC]

Arl is a dick.



Seriously is there no way to save Jowan?



Anyway Jowan would have definitely made a better companion IMO.

[Eislor]

I had the little bastard executed before the Arl woke up, I wasn't going to give him a chance to betray me a second time! (On my character)

Modifié par Eislor, 21 novembre 2009 - 04:19 .

[OdinTGE]

Many of you are misunderstanding the Persuade/Intimidate mechanics. The options to persuade or intimidaate always show up. You having or not having the skill or attributes is meaningless. They only matter in determining if you're successful in your coercion. So nobody is missing a potential conversation option buy having low skill/attributes.

[Agni108]

I advised that Jowan should be executed. I also asked to do it myself. Killed that traitor....dead. No regrets.

Also executed Conner myself in front of his mother. (No mages in party). Would have executed Isolde too if I had the option, for allowing her demon-possessed son to slaughter the village. My rogue in this run is taking no prisoners, and cutting no slack. Very satisfying in a hard love kind of way. Leliana wasnt overly happy about the situation, and Alistair almost had a cow. I basically told them to suck it up and live with it, or move on. Max persuasion helps.

Modifié par Agni108, 21 novembre 2009 - 05:02 .

[WeeRLegion]

It's a pain in the ass how both the bann and the arl keep pestering you for opinions on what to do with the guy, but in the end the best you can do for him is to send him to the circle.
I had level 4 coercion and high cunning, and I can confirm that even if you pick the best of paths, get help from the circle and send Jowan into he fade --and actually manage to steer his useless ass through it all-- there's no way to get the arl to just forgive him.

Seriously lame.
For the bann, why bother asking if you'll only refuse to take action without the arl's approval anyway?
And for the arl, VERY lame, to ask for your opinion while clearly being hell bent on killing the moron.


Not that I'd care much though, I hate that sad-sack-full-of-whine-and-nothing, I think I'll just kill him myself every time from now on, Connor too, for sure, getting to punch the moronic arlessa is well worth it. ^^

Modifié par WeeRLegion, 21 novembre 2009 - 05:08 .

[Red Viking]

AKofC wrote...

Arl is a dick.

Seriously is there no way to save Jowan?

Anyway Jowan would have definitely made a better companion IMO.

Actually, Jowan was originally planned to be a joinable party member at one point and you could have recruited him by invoking the Right of Conscription.  Unfortunately, the idea was scrapped since they ran out of room to add more party members.

[Taritu]

Red Viking wrote...

AKofC wrote...

Arl is a dick.

Seriously is there no way to save Jowan?

Anyway Jowan would have definitely made a better companion IMO.

Actually, Jowan was originally planned to be a joinable party member at one point and you could have recruited him by invoking the Right of Conscription.  Unfortunately, the idea was scrapped since they ran out of room to add more party members.

Ah, that explains a lot.  I wish you could, actually I thought he had a very good spell list when I took him through the fade, the issue was just that he didn't have access to my inventory, so no mana potions or health poultices.  I got him to win, but it required some very cheesy kiting and a lot of patience.

And especially if you're a mage, using the rite of conscription on him makes perfect sense.  "You're my friend, and I'm going to save you, but you're staying under my eye and command, because you make the wrong decisions way way too often Jowan."

[DemonLord4lf]

They should add him back into the game. We have a damager mage and a healing mage, why not a controlling mage?

[Serissia]

I always take Jowan into the Fade then use the respec mod. That way I can pick the best spell set for that small part of the game without having to redo a companion's action bar.

As for saving him, if it is possible it has to be done when you first meet him. I know there is an option when you're talking to him in his cell that you can tell him to use the exit in the dungeon and flee. I'm unsure if he'll actually do this though considering he genuinely wants to rectify the situation that he contributed to.

I usually let him out and tell him to help but stay out of my way. Doing that he'll appear when the Warden confronts Isolde after Conner runs away. I like this option the best since there's an option to insult Isolde in front of Teagan and he backs the Warden not her.

Modifié par Serissia, 14 avril 2010 - 12:49 .

[Alikain]

I read somewhere that, they drop the plan to conscript him late on in the game development. I have tried so many times to free him but it always end the same. the Arl always send him to the circle it too bad really that we couldn't use the rite of conscription in the origin.

[Sarah1281]

As for saving him, if it is possible it has to be done when you first meet him. I know there is an option when you're talking to him in his cell that you can tell him to use the exit in the dungeon and flee. I'm unsure if he'll actually do this though considering he genuinely wants to rectify the situation that he contributed to.

Tell him you never want to see him again and he stays gone. You're suppoesd to run into him later as part of a Chantry Board quest but it's really buggy.

[Gill Kaiser]

The best result for Jowan is if you tell him "leave, and I never want to see you again" when you find him in the dungeon. You later get a Chantry Board quest after you revive Arl Eamon, which is meant to finish Jowan's story.

Unfortunately, it's a bugged quest, because a) it just turns up in your journal without you accepting it from the Chantry Board, and the location on the world map that you're meant to go to doesn't appear. You can only complete it by teleporting there using the PC command console, so console players are SOOL. When you get there, you find Jowan in a Mage's Robe protecting a bunch of refugees from blight wolves and bereskarns. He's helping them under an assumed identity and is using healing and glyph powers, and once the attack is over you're able to choose whether to divulge his identity, kill him, or let him go and tell him to behave.

[ZMJ10]

personally i was hoping for a short scene where jowans lover from the mage tower ( i cant remeber her name XD) put a clean blade right through his stomach.

[Sarah1281]

Lily's a little busy at mage prison. Maybe if you turn him over to the Templars they'll send him there and she'll get her chance.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

After I stepped into the dungeon for the first time, I killed the punk. He was both a danger to himself and the world.



I know Morrigan was begging me not to kill him, but she doesn't have a clue about how the world really works. I really liked pissing off Morrigan, though.



Morrigan really has a thing for helping out scum. Just imagine if your character was following Morrigan throughout the whole game. I don't think you would even live long enough to see the archedemon lol.

[Sarah1281]

If Morrigan knew just how incompetent he was, she'd want to kill him, too. She just mistakenly equated 'blood mage' with 'powerful.'

[R-F]

i always felt bad for him, especially when the mage run was my first. he was trapped in a crappy situation (threat of being turned tranquil), turned to blood magic to try and fix things and just ended up screwing himself over more. everything after he fled the circle is Loghain's fault, just like everything else in the game.



but i've more or less given up on getting him to live, since i can't bring myself to just let him go.