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[Ezio Faraglia]

Jowan can only be free if you release him in the dungeon and tell him you never want to see him again. Otherwise, he'll be executed by Eamon or the Circle.

But the quest is bugged, sometimes the location won't even appear on the map, yet the quest remains unfinished

[Epona222]

I have always disliked Jowan since my first playthrough as a mage, I was taken in completely by his pitiful little love story, I went along with it for the sake of helping love find a way, and the whole blood mage thing came as a real shock by which point I was (unknowingly and unwittingly) in more trouble than I could ever have anticipated. I got in a whole world of trouble thanks to trying to help him out, I am way too trusting. When I saw him in the dungeon I put a knife in his ribs, just as a thank you for dumping me up to my eyeballs in s***.

Modifié par Epona222, 14 avril 2010 - 02:40 .

[Gill Kaiser]

But the thing is, the fact that he was a blood mage was irrelevant. He actually was in love with Lily, and he actually was planning to give up magic entirely. The only reason he ended up not being able to do that was because of the Chantry and the Circle's narrow-minded condemnation of every single blood mage, no matter what their personal situation.

[Gill Kaiser]

He thought it would make him a better mage.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Can someone tell me why Jowan became a blood mage, I know there is a conversation you can have with him to talk about it

If you choose to execute him yourself, he tells you because he was jealous of your prowess and wanted to be as badass as you.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

But the thing is, the fact that he was a blood mage was irrelevant. He actually was in love with Lily, and he actually was planning to give up magic entirely. The only reason he ended up not being able to do that was because of the Chantry and the Circle's narrow-minded condemnation of every single blood mage, no matter what their personal situation.

You actually think Jowan was about to give up all magic... Right after saying that, he uses blood magic on the templars. If you say something like that, it means you can't use it. Jowan was both a danger to himself and others, and the chantry had every right to keep him in the tower.

[asaiasai]

Jowan's situation for me depends entirely upon the origin i play, he gets a break if i play a mage, if i play a HN he gets sent to the tower, my DN killed him in his cell, and my just finished dailish let the Arl execute him. I would be more forgiving if he was not such a weak ass mage to begin with, but that is more to the fact that he can not access party inventory, i made a post about this a couple of months ago as well. It is not worth the meta gaming trouble to fix him up so he can actually work well i the fade, so i just don't bother. I know Jowan is not to blame for this it is a developer issue but sorry, i am not going to bother with all that nonsense for a 15 minute max encounter when i can send Wynne in from the get go and she does fine.



Asai

[Xandurpein]

What makes me really doubt Jowan's moral compass is the fact that during the final confrontation in the Mage orgin he manages to use blood magic to get himself out of trouble, but he makes no attempt whatsoever to get Lily off too. He just left her.

[Gill Kaiser]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

But the thing is, the fact that he was a blood mage was irrelevant. He actually was in love with Lily, and he actually was planning to give up magic entirely. The only reason he ended up not being able to do that was because of the Chantry and the Circle's narrow-minded condemnation of every single blood mage, no matter what their personal situation.

You actually think Jowan was about to give up all magic... Right after saying that, he uses blood magic on the templars. If you say something like that, it means you can't use it. Jowan was both a danger to himself and others, and the chantry had every right to keep him in the tower.

He said he would give up magic once they were free of the Tower. Even if you think him too weak to keep the promise, he had Lily, a priest, to keep him on the down-low anyway. Not to mention the fact that Jowan is clearly not a malicious kind of guy, just a guy who makes terrible decisions. It's not like Blood Magic is inherently evil, no matter what the Chantry says.

When the Templars showed up, they forced his hand. He was trying to get away from the tower meeting as little resistance as possible, and instead he's confronted with multiple Templars and both the Knight Commander and the First Enchanter, who would at best make him Tranquil, at worst execute him, and at the very least make sure he never saw Lily again. What transpired was as much the fault of the Chantry's policies of forced-Tranquilisation, condemnation of blood magic, forbidding of mage-priest relationships, and constant Templar oversight, as it was Jowan's.

[Gill Kaiser]

Xandurpein wrote...

What makes me really doubt Jowan's moral compass is the fact that during the final confrontation in the Mage orgin he manages to use blood magic to get himself out of trouble, but he makes no attempt whatsoever to get Lily off too. He just left her.

She refused to go with him and willingly offered herself for punishment. What do you want him to do, Blood Dominate her to follow him? Aren't you being somewhat hypocritical?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The whole reason Jowan outed himself as a blood mage was because the templars were going to hurt Lily and take her. It's right after Gregoir announces that he is sentancing her to Aeonar, and the templars make a move to accost her, Jowan yells "I won't let you touch her" and stabs himself. And then tried to get Lily to escape with him, by then she wanted nothing to do with him. So he did try and get her off.

[Kerilus]

I think the chance for Jowan to escape without having to abandon his chance to redeem himself lies with Bann Teagan. If you have Jowan go into the Fade, you could ask Teagan to release Jowan before Eammon awakes. But it requires top coercion skill and a ton of cunning, as my mage with top coercion couldn't convince him.

[MutantSpleen]

My first character was a mage so I've always had a soft spot for Jowan. He never did anything truly evil with his blood magic that we see. About the worst he does is knock some templars on their ass, which they need. If you sacrifice Isolde, that is the Warden's choice not his. Though in certain plays I have had him executed, mostly with characters that have no idea who he is, but my mages never could.

[Chuvvy]

JamesX wrote...

Arl never lets Jowan go. At least not when I tried on my 2 run throughs. I ended up just releasing him in he dungeon from the get go.

And it is not a random encounter, it is a chantry mission IIRC.

It's heavly bugged though you can only get to it on the PC.


Jowan was a bro I wish they let you recruit him like they were planning on doing.

Modifié par Slidell505, 14 avril 2010 - 11:34 .

[Xandurpein]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

What makes me really doubt Jowan's moral compass is the fact that during the final confrontation in the Mage orgin he manages to use blood magic to get himself out of trouble, but he makes no attempt whatsoever to get Lily off too. He just left her.

She refused to go with him and willingly offered herself for punishment. What do you want him to do, Blood Dominate her to follow him? Aren't you being somewhat hypocritical?

I am not being hypocritical, but I do suffer from memory lapses. It was a long time since I played the mage orgin, but I have no reason to doubt you if you say he did indeed try to get her out. I consequently retract my statement.

[Gill Kaiser]

Kerilus wrote...

I think the chance for Jowan to escape without having to abandon his chance to redeem himself lies with Bann Teagan. If you have Jowan go into the Fade, you could ask Teagan to release Jowan before Eammon awakes. But it requires top coercion skill and a ton of cunning, as my mage with top coercion couldn't convince him.

Nope, you can't.

[Aisynia]

Speaking from the perspective of any one of my mage characters, Jowan was my best friend for years as I grew up in the tower. You do things for true friends you would never do for anyone else, and you forgive them for mistakes you would condemn anyone else for. That's what friendship is about.



Jowan, deep down, is an honestly good, genuine person who did everything he has done in earnest.. unfortunately, most of what we see him do is very stupid. I've known people like this in the real world, good people with hearts of gold who ruin their lives through terrible decisions.

[Reaverwind]

Epona222 wrote...

I have always disliked Jowan since my first playthrough as a mage, I was taken in completely by his pitiful little love story, I went along with it for the sake of helping love find a way, and the whole blood mage thing came as a real shock by which point I was (unknowingly and unwittingly) in more trouble than I could ever have anticipated. I got in a whole world of trouble thanks to trying to help him out, I am way too trusting. When I saw him in the dungeon I put a knife in his ribs, just as a thank you for dumping me up to my eyeballs in s***.

My first playthrough went like that. My mage even tried to advise Jowan to break it off with Lily (to protect her) - but he refused to give her up. At that point, my opinion of him was already heading for the toilet, but I decided my mage would go through with the escape attempt, despite her misgivings. When everything went to hell in a handbasket, so to speak, my mage swore her next meeting with Jowan wasn't going to be friendly. I really wish there had been an option to tell Greagoir where Jowan had ended up - my mage would have relished the look on Jowan's face.

[DemonLord4lf]

Reaverwind wrote...

Epona222 wrote...

I have always disliked Jowan since my first playthrough as a mage, I was taken in completely by his pitiful little love story, I went along with it for the sake of helping love find a way, and the whole blood mage thing came as a real shock by which point I was (unknowingly and unwittingly) in more trouble than I could ever have anticipated. I got in a whole world of trouble thanks to trying to help him out, I am way too trusting. When I saw him in the dungeon I put a knife in his ribs, just as a thank you for dumping me up to my eyeballs in s***.

My first playthrough went like that. My mage even tried to advise Jowan to break it off with Lily (to protect her) - but he refused to give her up. At that point, my opinion of him was already heading for the toilet, but I decided my mage would go through with the escape attempt, despite her misgivings. When everything went to hell in a handbasket, so to speak, my mage swore her next meeting with Jowan wasn't going to be friendly. I really wish there had been an option to tell Greagoir where Jowan had ended up - my mage would have relished the look on Jowan's face.

Well you do get the option of sending him back to the tower. So in that sense you are handing him back over to Greagoir. I'm sure it's not the same thing you wanted, since Jowan accepts his fate, no matter what it is.

[Destello]

If I chose "leave, and I never want to see you again", can I make de fade anyway?

I think this is the best way, I will save the arless, her son and unlock the Jowan's quest, letting him go, and earn 3 golds and some XP.

In PC I can do that quest by console commands
http://www.gamebansh...nsintention.php

Modifié par Destello, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:50 .

[Exile Isan]

MutantSpleen wrote...

My first character was a mage so I've always had a soft spot for Jowan. He never did anything truly evil with his blood magic that we see. About the worst he does is knock some templars on their ass, which they need. If you sacrifice Isolde, that is the Warden's choice not his. Though in certain plays I have had him executed, mostly with characters that have no idea who he is, but my mages never could.

This. I too have a soft spot for Jowan. He's not a bad guy, he just lacks good decision making skills.

[frostajulie]

I also have a soft spot for Jowan he has awful judgment skills and really should have stayed with my mages everytime. The thing that sticks in my craw is how after wiping ouit the templars he just takes off, after everything my character did and sacrificed for him he abandons her to her fate. It is very difficult to see him again and not hate him for that. I always tell him to leave and never return when I play a mage that was his friend.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Sad thing is, if he hadn't dabbled with blood magic for fear of being a weak mage, he might have simply failed his Harrowing and been killed outright. :/

[Ashaman X]

I really feel for Jowan. Despite being a weak and whiny mage, I've never seen him as evil, just misguided. So far I've always given him back to the Circle, as he was my mage's only friend as she grew up. Still, she originally betrayed him because of how stupid his scheme was. Despite their friendship, she knows right from wrong.