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[DPSSOC]

ExtremeOne wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
Why would My Shepard work with a group that wants him in jail for something they asked him to do.

Arrival wasn't an Alliance operation it was Hackett asking you for a personal favour.  If the Alliance was going to take care of it they would have sent in a squad of marines to bust out the scientist but that carries problems (angering the Batarians).  So the Alliance was kind of sitting on it's hands so Hackett comes to Shepard because you can act more freely.  Then you destroyed a solar system which renders the whole, Shepard will cause fewer problems than Alliance Marines idea out the window.

   

Oh please spare Me that crap. If it was not a alliance mission then why did hackett contact Shepard.

 
Because Shepard can go places and do things the Alliance can't; similar to police forces using private investigators (happens more than you'd think).  Hackett comes to Shepard because the Alliance can't do anything to bail out the mission they were running; they're forced to hang them out to dry.  Hackett's friend happens to be the head of that mission and he's not willing to just cut her loose.  So Hackett goes to Shepard.  He states, multiple times, that this is not an Alliance sanctioned mission and that he isn't asking you to do it as an alliance officer.  He is asking you, as a man, to save his friend from torture and death.

ExtremeOne wrote...
They are going to make Shepard take the fall for it.

 
Yeah that's kind of what you do when it's somebody's fault.  Even if we accept that Arrival was an Alliance mission the mission was to quietly break in to the prison and rescue Dr. Kenson.  You independently decided to blow up a solar system, that does not fit within the bounds of the mission and as such you're being called on it.  Now I'm not particularly thrilled with the whole trial business myself but I understand that I took it upon myself to make a decision in the heat of the moment and that that decision demands a price.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 24 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[Ye Olde Gamer]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ok Let me fill you in on Military things If a Commanding Officier of the Military ask you to do a covert mission and he is in uniform then he is asking you to d a covert mission for the alliance military  and they key is he even says when you get back we will de brief you .  He even shows up on the Ship in uniform .  so yeah it vwas a covert alliance military mission .  If he was going behind the alliance miliatry's back then it would be different . Oh and as far as me making things up. I am the son of Military vet so I know when a military officier ask you to do something and that offiicer is in uniform its a military mission .   

I'm not a military vet, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but even I know that's not how it works.

[We'll bang okay]

i don't want to be in the Alliance i say to hell with them and no to cerberus also i wan to be my own boss


p.s i want wrex miranda and legion back

[ExtremeOne]

Ye Olde Gamer wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ok Let me fill you in on Military things If a Commanding Officier of the Military ask you to do a covert mission and he is in uniform then he is asking you to d a covert mission for the alliance military  and they key is he even says when you get back we will de brief you .  He even shows up on the Ship in uniform .  so yeah it vwas a covert alliance military mission .  If he was going behind the alliance miliatry's back then it would be different . Oh and as far as me making things up. I am the son of Military vet so I know when a military officier ask you to do something and that offiicer is in uniform its a military mission .   

I'm not a military vet, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but even I know that's not how it works.

   







Ok once again let me re explain it since My first time was not clear enough .  Yes that is how it works for that one mission Shepard was working on a covert mission for the alliance Military . If this was just something hackett wanted you to do for him personally he would have just asked and not been in uniform .  So since he was in uniform there is something the alliance military wanted out of it . Why would Shepard even write a report if this was a non military mission and just a personal mission for a friend . As I said the key thing is when Hackett says when you get back we will debrief you . The We he speaks of is the alliance military .  Bioware did a ****** poor job in conveying that .   

[Nashiktal]

Dude, shep wasn't working for the Alliance. As it has been said multiple times, shep is working for Hackette.

The Alliance can't officially do anything for the team doing the "project." It was a black op.

However the head of the project is also a close friend of Hackette. Unable to use official channels, Hackette goes to shep, who is currently outside of Alliance jurisdiction.

[Vormaerin]

So what you are saying is that because bioware didn't create an entire outfit for *one* scene, that its automatically true that the rest of the military-political complex was supporting his efforts to use an outsider on an official mission? Bollocks.

Hackett being in uniform is no more indicative of anything than shepard supposedly dancing in the clubs in full body armor. He's obviously not. Its not just worth the time to create special outfits for the different situations.

And you are just guessing about who the "we" is. It could be the alliance military. It could be Hackett's sunday night poker club of admirals sick of politics. It could just be Hackett's manner of speaking after years as a flag officer.

[didymos1120]

Yeah, and nevermind that two actual vets told you straight-up that you're full of it with this "BUT HE WUZ WEARDEDING TEH UNIFORMS! IS OFFICIAL!" nonsense.

[seirhart]

It is also not just arrival; if yo listen to hackett he says that for some time now the alliance/ or group of people has been gathering information on shepard and shepards activies that are shody at best but eventually we will have to answer quetions. It is just not arrival that we will need to answer questions; we will also have to answer why we are with cereberus.

We will also have to explain our other actions through out me 2 to the alliance

Modifié par seirhart, 24 avril 2011 - 06:27 .

[008Zulu]

The Alliance would have its own secret/spy department tracking down info and keeping tabs on people.

[ExtremeOne]

I still find it stupid Hackett asked for Shepard's help . Oh but that is right Shepard is suppose to be this Space god that can deal with all problems

[squee913]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I still find it stupid Hackett asked for Shepard's help . Oh but that is right Shepard is suppose to be this Space god that can deal with all problems

*sigh* Shepard and Hackett are old friends. Shepard is one of the highest trained people alive and possible still a specter. Shepard has the only ship capable of stealth travel. Shepard has proven time and time again that he can get things done. Shepard does not answer to the alliance so he can do the mission when the alliance won't. Give me one good reason why Hackett wouldn't contact Shepard. 

[ExtremeOne]

squee913 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I still find it stupid Hackett asked for Shepard's help . Oh but that is right Shepard is suppose to be this Space god that can deal with all problems

*sigh* Shepard and Hackett are old friends. Shepard is one of the highest trained people alive and possible still a specter. Shepard has the only ship capable of stealth travel. Shepard has proven time and time again that he can get things done. Shepard does not answer to the alliance so he can do the mission when the alliance won't. Give me one good reason why Hackett wouldn't contact Shepard. 

   





Oh so what if they are old friends.  Are you telling me that a Commanding officer of the alliance military can not get one of his soldiers to do this . Oh and how hell does Hackett know anything about the SR 2 its a Cerberus Ship . You said it right Shepard does not answer to the Alliance in ME 2 . Oh buts thats right the arrvial dlc erases that and all of sudden Shepard does answer to them .  

[squee913]

ExtremeOne wrote...

squee913 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I still find it stupid Hackett asked for Shepard's help . Oh but that is right Shepard is suppose to be this Space god that can deal with all problems

*sigh* Shepard and Hackett are old friends. Shepard is one of the highest trained people alive and possible still a specter. Shepard has the only ship capable of stealth travel. Shepard has proven time and time again that he can get things done. Shepard does not answer to the alliance so he can do the mission when the alliance won't. Give me one good reason why Hackett wouldn't contact Shepard. 

   



Oh so what if they are old friends.  Are you telling me that a Commanding officer of the alliance military can not get one of his soldiers to do this . Oh and how hell does Hackett know anything about the SR 2 its a Cerberus Ship . You said it right Shepard does not answer to the Alliance in ME 2 . Oh buts thats right the arrvial dlc erases that and all of sudden Shepard does answer to them .  

I know everyone has already said this, but come on... you are just trolling right? How many times are you going to ignore the fact that the alliance WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING? No Hackett cannot get one of his soldiers to do it. why? because the soldier would be part of the alliance and the alliance WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING. Hackett needed help from outside the alliance. Shepard still does not answer to the alliance because the mission was not sanctioned by the alliance. It was an old friend asking him for help. Period. End of story. The fact that the Normandy has stealth is common knowledge to alliance officials (and most certainly their admirals) It is common sense that a ship built off of the exact same design would have stealth capabilities as well.

It was bad enough when you were making stuff up about Mass Effect 3, but now you are just throwing out complete nonsense that ignores the story of arrival. Hackett said the alliance was not involved. He said he asked Shepard as a friend. Yet, you continue to pretend these words were not spoken or that there was some huge conspiracy behind it. So I ask again... you're just trolling us like ultimate weapon trolled cloud across the bloody map, right?
 

[seirhart]

Hackett asked shepard for a favor and he explicitly says that this mission that shepard takes is not alliance sanctioned/is off the record; the reason its not alliance sanction is because it is not an official mission and hackett says that shepard can refuse to do this mission.

He asks you not as an alliance officer to ex alliance officer but he asks you from one person to another to help him rescue his friend.

[SalsaDMA]

Hacket basicly asks you to clean up after a failed alliance black ops mission.

Previously they always used Cerberus as scapegoats for why a black op needed cleaning up, but it was always alliance instigating the projects regardless.

the alliance team led by Dr. Kenson wasn't in the system just to study daisies, you know. they were there to study and react upon the discovery of the reaper artifact, which they did. They just happened to be 'goddamn awfull' at keeping a low profile and decided to take scouting tours with their commanding officer in a hostile controlled system. It boggles the mind what they were hoping to achieve with such a patrol, aside of attracting attention to themselves.

If the alliance project had gone according to plan, without needing Shepards aid, the result would have been exactly the same as if Shepard hadn't been there. Except they couldn't try and make their extremely thin claims of blaming it all on Shepard but would have to play 'pin the tail' on someone else.

[seirhart]

In ME 1 when you become a spectre and helping hackett if you choose to he says that you may be a specter and answer to the council but you are a human and you are still considered apparently I guess by the rest of the alliance still an alliance soldier. So you still responsiblity to the alliance as a whole - though I disagree with that assesment of course I did all the quests for him.

In ME 2 arrival though he doesn't say it I still think that Hackett believes that though you are working for cereberus you are still an alliance soldier and are answerable to the alliance (well thats what I think he would say if he actually said anything about you being an alliance soldier or not)

[ExtremeOne]

good point but it still is odd

[omgmahbrain]

So I ask again... you're just trolling us like ultimate weapon trolled cloud across the bloody map, right?

Sadly, I think he's just a doofus.

[ExtremeOne]

omgmahbrain wrote...

So I ask again... you're just trolling us like ultimate weapon trolled cloud across the bloody map, right?

Sadly, I think he's just a doofus.

  



LOL interesting how Bioware fans will blindly defend anything they do or say  

[seirhart]

how is it odd that a friend asks shepard to do him a favor?


it isn't interesting how those bioware fans are defending bioware. The reason they are defending bioware is because bioware hasn't done anything to make them question them.

Modifié par seirhart, 24 avril 2011 - 02:55 .

[Talthanar]

At no time did Shep give up his commission during ME1, so he is still very alliance military as well as a Spectre.

For ME2 Shep was KIA which in theory means he's no longer a Commander as well as no longer in the Alliance Navy nor a Spectre. He had to get his Spectre status back. Never took his position back in the Alliance though.

At this point in regards to Hacket, Shep is a contractor. He's asked to do something so the government has deniability.

[seirhart]

Talthanar wrote...

At no time did Shep give up his commission during ME1, so he is still very alliance military as well as a Spectre.

For ME2 Shep was KIA which in theory means he's no longer a Commander as well as no longer in the Alliance Navy nor a Spectre. He had to get his Spectre status back. Never took his position back in the Alliance though.

At this point in regards to Hacket, Shep is a contractor. He's asked to do something so the government has deniability.

I agree with this you are a spectre and still a commissioned alliance marine; it just means that you have 2 masters instead of one. As a marine at your rank you have some authority and can go to some places but as a spectre you are above the law and can do what ever you like; though as the first human spectre everyone especially humans are watching you and if you do something to mess up then all of humanity will have to pay for shepard's mistakes (according to Udina) also hackett aludes to the same thing as well.



ME 2 the alliance see's you dead which means as above poster said that he's no longer a commander in the alliance military and no longer a spectre unless you get reinstated. Since you didn't rejoin the alliance military you are a soldier for hire; which means that hackett or any other alliance officer can come along and ask shepard to do something for him/her. 

As a soldier for hire shepard agrees to help some alliance officer or any other officer in another country and the mission said shepard is going on; goes wrong the goverment/military will have deniablity.

[Evercrow]

I don't see how trial is a problem. I have no doubt Shep and Hackett know pretty precisely when Reapers arrive - why not synch it with time where Shep could talk with a big gathering of Alliance leaders and Council representatives(I have no doubt case of killing 300k batarians to instigate war would draw many eyes from galactic community).Especially if he tried to persuade them for months that the Reapers are real, and had no luck. At least know he can just point and say "In your face!Now can we get down to business?".

Also, the valid requirement to be brought on trial with such charges is not being in Alliance service or anything, you just need to be catched(arrest or surrender).I don't think Shep's status play any role in this fact, it only may work somewhat in his defence when they pass the sentence(which isn't relevant because of Reapers).

[Endurium]

Since Bioware likes to market the ME series as "reflecting the player's decisions across all three games and certain DLCs", it would be really nice of them to:

1. Patch ME1 once again to ensure plot flags correctly reflect player decisions and are properly exported to save files.

2. Patch ME2 once again to ensure imported ME1 plot flags are properly read and acted upon, and all new plot flags correctly reflect player decisions in ME2 and are properly exported to save files.

3. Make sure ME3 correctly reads imported ME1/2 plot flags and acts upon them.

It's irritating enough that I have to deal with Renegaded Conrad on my completely Paragon Shepard, and I get to listen to news of Shiara's going out of business even though I cleared her name, etc. Part of me is not looking forward to seeing how ME3 ignores my earlier choices because of these persistent plot flag glitches.

Modifié par Endurium, 24 avril 2011 - 06:56 .

[ExtremeOne]

Bioware better fix the player choice system and the renegade and paragon system