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[Dante Angelo]

Seboist wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

You honestly thought the Illusive Man was not gonna betray you?? I knew he was going to turn on me the first time I spoke to him

Did I think the guy who sheds tears when Shepard dies regardless of what happens to CB was going to betray me? No, I honestly didn't.

Though It shouldn't be surprising considering ME's "choices" have been purely cosmetic thus far.

Wait he cries if Shepard dies??I never knew that. Well maybe he just finished watching his dramatic television shows

Modifié par Dante Angelo, 20 avril 2011 - 07:56 .

[Seboist]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

You honestly thought the Illusive Man was not gonna betray you?? I knew he was going to turn on me the first time I spoke to him

Did I think the guy who sheds tears when Shepard dies regardless of what happens to CB was going to betray me? No, I honestly didn't.

Though It shouldn't be surprising considering ME's "choices" have been purely cosmetic thus far.

Wait he cries if Shepard dies??I never knew that. Well maybe he just finished watching his dramatic television shows

Yep, check out 9:15-9:20 -> www.youtube.com/watch

TIM deciding to go against Shepard in ME3 doesn't make any sense based on everything we've seen in both games.

[ExtremeOne]

Seboist wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

You honestly thought the Illusive Man was not gonna betray you?? I knew he was going to turn on me the first time I spoke to him

Did I think the guy who sheds tears when Shepard dies regardless of what happens to CB was going to betray me? No, I honestly didn't.

Though It shouldn't be surprising considering ME's "choices" have been purely cosmetic thus far.

Wait he cries if Shepard dies??I never knew that. Well maybe he just finished watching his dramatic television shows

Yep, check out 9:15-9:20 -> www.youtube.com/watch

TIM deciding to go against Shepard in ME3 doesn't make any sense based on everything we've seen in both games.

   






It makes no sense at all. but hey Bioware decide ass kissing the Anti Cerberus fans was the thing to do. Bioware you disregarded My choices in 2 and do not care about them. I have absolute No need or desire to work with the Alliance in 3 .  The Alliance cares nothing about the human race in ME 3 they care about the batarians a alien race that would murder any human who gets in its way.  Earth is the home planet of the human race and the alliance is putting humanity 's best hope for survival on trail because he killed a batarian planet. that is a joke.  

[Dante Angelo]

ExtremeOne wrote...

 I have absolute No need or desire to work with the Alliance in 3 . 

Wait who said we were working for the alliance?? Even if you have the option of working for the Alliance I'm sure there will be the option not to work for them as well.

Modifié par Dante Angelo, 20 avril 2011 - 08:37 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

You honestly thought the Illusive Man was not gonna betray you?? I knew he was going to turn on me the first time I spoke to him

Did I think the guy who sheds tears when Shepard dies regardless of what happens to CB was going to betray me? No, I honestly didn't.

Though It shouldn't be surprising considering ME's "choices" have been purely cosmetic thus far.

Wait he cries if Shepard dies??I never knew that. Well maybe he just finished watching his dramatic television shows

Yep, check out 9:15-9:20 -> www.youtube.com/watch

TIM deciding to go against Shepard in ME3 doesn't make any sense based on everything we've seen in both games.

  

It makes no sense at all. but hey Bioware decide ass kissing the Anti Cerberus fans was the thing to do. Bioware you disregarded My choices in 2 and do not care about them. I have absolute No need or desire to work with the Alliance in 3 .  The Alliance cares nothing about the human race in ME 3 they care about the batarians a alien race that would murder any human who gets in its way.  Earth is the home planet of the human race and the alliance is putting humanity 's best hope for survival on trail because he killed a batarian planet. that is a joke.  

Again, you're assuming. You can take pretty much any plot twist or betrayal in literature, and it won't make sense out of context.

OMG WHY WOULD BRUTUS STAB CEASAR? THEY'RE BEST FRIENDS!?!?!?!!1

Yes, duh, that's the point. I expect that Bioware is doing the same thing as that play does... setting up a believable reason as to why someone's best friend would betray them.

Also, the cutscene can be seen several ways. When bioware wants there to explicitly be tears, it shows tears - see Thane's love scene culmination. To me, TIM's action in that scene looks more like squeezing the bridge of your nose when something goes wrong than crying tears.

[ExtremeOne]

Dante Angelo wrote...

You honestly thought the Illusive Man was not gonna betray you?? I knew he was going to turn on me the first time I spoke to him

   



He did not betray you . If you keep the base he is happy. if you destroy the base then he will be pissed . but Bioware is not telling us why and its bull sh*t. If they put it in the mag then f**king tell us. I am not interested in their silly game of oh you have to play and find out. Thats garbage They had to know that Cerberus had it fans and not being straight with us wrong.  I tell you this they better have a reason for it at E3. They basically bowed and kissed the ass of the Liara fans with LOTSB dlc and in that dlc they force Liara on your shepard even if you did not romance her in 1 or not. Oh and the Ashley and Kaiden fans got their F**king wish granted those 2 clowns are on Shepard's team in 3 in some form. Since Bioware is handing out fan service then they better give us Cerberus fans something. or else its a double standard.  

[ExtremeOne]

Dante Angelo wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

 I have absolute No need or desire to work with the Alliance in 3 . 

Wait who said we were working for the alliance?? Even if you have the option of working for the Alliance I'm sure there will be the option not to work for them as well.

  





I want that option in the game and then people can chose who ever one wishes. 

[ExtremeOne]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

You honestly thought the Illusive Man was not gonna betray you?? I knew he was going to turn on me the first time I spoke to him

Did I think the guy who sheds tears when Shepard dies regardless of what happens to CB was going to betray me? No, I honestly didn't.

Though It shouldn't be surprising considering ME's "choices" have been purely cosmetic thus far.

Wait he cries if Shepard dies??I never knew that. Well maybe he just finished watching his dramatic television shows

Yep, check out 9:15-9:20 -> www.youtube.com/watch

TIM deciding to go against Shepard in ME3 doesn't make any sense based on everything we've seen in both games.

  

It makes no sense at all. but hey Bioware decide ass kissing the Anti Cerberus fans was the thing to do. Bioware you disregarded My choices in 2 and do not care about them. I have absolute No need or desire to work with the Alliance in 3 .  The Alliance cares nothing about the human race in ME 3 they care about the batarians a alien race that would murder any human who gets in its way.  Earth is the home planet of the human race and the alliance is putting humanity 's best hope for survival on trail because he killed a batarian planet. that is a joke.  

Again, you're assuming. You can take pretty much any plot twist or betrayal in literature, and it won't make sense out of context.

OMG WHY WOULD BRUTUS STAB CEASAR? THEY'RE BEST FRIENDS!?!?!?!!1

Yes, duh, that's the point. I expect that Bioware is doing the same thing as that play does... setting up a believable reason as to why someone's best friend would betray them.

Also, the cutscene can be seen several ways. When bioware wants there to explicitly be tears, it shows tears - see Thane's love scene culmination. To me, TIM's action in that scene looks more like squeezing the bridge of your nose when something goes wrong than crying tears.

   







I want them to tell us the reason and not hide it. I 

[Dante Angelo]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

You honestly thought the Illusive Man was not gonna betray you?? I knew he was going to turn on me the first time I spoke to him

   



He did not betray you . If you keep the base he is happy. if you destroy the base then he will be pissed .

The Illusive man probably thinks Shepard is a threat or maybe Shepard knows to much and must be desposed of

[ExtremeOne]

Dante Angelo wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

You honestly thought the Illusive Man was not gonna betray you?? I knew he was going to turn on me the first time I spoke to him

   



He did not betray you . If you keep the base he is happy. if you destroy the base then he will be pissed .

The Illusive man probably thinks Shepard is a threat or maybe Shepard knows to much and must be desposed of

   






The renegade ending the 2 should mean that Shepard is part of Cerberus. Bioware has basically told us renegade players our ending to 2 means absolute nothing in the GI article. and thats bull sh*t . If the paragon ending is the only one that means a dam thing. Then they should have taken the power of choice out the start with. Plus if there is a logicla reason as to why then just tell us.  

[CulturalGeekGirl]

ExtremeOne wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Again, you're assuming. You can take pretty much any plot twist or betrayal in literature, and it won't make sense out of context.

OMG WHY WOULD BRUTUS STAB CEASAR? THEY'RE BEST FRIENDS!?!?!?!!1

Yes, duh, that's the point. I expect that Bioware is doing the same thing as that play does... setting up a believable reason as to why someone's best friend would betray them.

Also, the cutscene can be seen several ways. When bioware wants there to explicitly be tears, it shows tears - see Thane's love scene culmination. To me, TIM's action in that scene looks more like squeezing the bridge of your nose when something goes wrong than crying tears.

   

I want them to tell us the reason and not hide it. I 

What if it's a major spoiler though? Like what if it's the big third act twist for ME3? I'd be pretty pissed if they spoiled a major plot twist.

I'm pretty sure that this will be the case. Shepard will be attacked by Cerberus, Paragon Shep will be like "I knew it!" Renegade Shep will be like "Dude I thought we were Bros!" and then, as the game goes on, you'll gather clues as to why it's happening. I'd gues that 'figuring out what Cerberus wants and why they're attacking you' will be the most important subplot of ME3.

So demanding that they tell you why Cerberus is after Shepard seems a lot like going into The 6th Sense saying "I'll see this movie, but I don't want you to hide what's happening with Bruce Willis! Tell me what's up with him before I see this movie!" 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 20 avril 2011 - 08:54 .

[JeffZero]

Wait, Brutus stabbed Caesar? What the hell? They were best friends.

[Dante Angelo]

ExtremeOne wrote...

The renegade ending the 2 should mean that Shepard is part of Cerberus.

Even if Shepard is part of cerberus he can still be hunted by Cerberus. Although I just had a though, maybe Shapard reveals too much info about cerberus during Shepards trial and is thus hunted down.

[ExtremeOne]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Again, you're assuming. You can take pretty much any plot twist or betrayal in literature, and it won't make sense out of context.

OMG WHY WOULD BRUTUS STAB CEASAR? THEY'RE BEST FRIENDS!?!?!?!!1

Yes, duh, that's the point. I expect that Bioware is doing the same thing as that play does... setting up a believable reason as to why someone's best friend would betray them.

Also, the cutscene can be seen several ways. When bioware wants there to explicitly be tears, it shows tears - see Thane's love scene culmination. To me, TIM's action in that scene looks more like squeezing the bridge of your nose when something goes wrong than crying tears.

   

I want them to tell us the reason and not hide it. I 

What if it's a major spoiler though? Like what if it's the big third act twist for ME3? I'd be pretty pissed if they spoiled a major plot twist.

I'm pretty sure that this will be the case. Shepard will be attacked by Cerberus, Paragon Shep will be like "I knew it!" Renegade Shep will be like "Dude I thought we were Bros!" and then, as the game goes on, you'll gather clues as to why it's happening. I'd gues that 'figuring out what Cerberus wants and why they're attacking you' will be the most important subplot of ME3.

So demanding that they tell you why Cerberus is after Shepard seems a lot like going into the 6th Sense saying "I'll see this movie, but I don't want you to hide what's happening with Bruce Willis! Tell me what's up with him before I see this movie!" 

   





you make perfect sense it could be a key part of the game I just hope us Cerberus fans will get something out of ME 3 

[Dante Angelo]

JeffZero wrote...

Wait, Brutus stabbed Caesar? What the hell? They were best friends.

and the plot thickens

[ExtremeOne]

Dante Angelo wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The renegade ending the 2 should mean that Shepard is part of Cerberus.

Even if Shepard is part of cerberus he can still be hunted by Cerberus. Although I just had a though, maybe Shapard reveals too much info about cerberus during Shepards trial and is thus hunted down.

  



Maybe the trail plays into it 

[nelly21]

Good Lord. We gamers must be the most illogical (not to mention petty, whiney and paranoid) human beings in the world.

How does it make sense to you that Bioware (a multimillion dollar company) would intentionally ostracize a segment of their fanbase because they "like the paragons more"? Really? You truly believe that Bioware would anger fans (the ones buying their products) because they like paragons more? You don't really believe that, do you?

And as for the storyline, we have very little information to go by. Did it occur to you that maybe Illusive Man finds Shepard expendable once he is in possession of the Collector Base? Or maybe he is afraid that Shepard will reveal too much at the trial. There are a few explanations for why TIM is acting this way. Is it too much to ask that you wait until the game is out before pulling out the "STORYLINE SUCKS BECAUSE I DON"T LIKE IT AND IF I DON"T LIKE IT, IT SUCKS!!!!!" card?

[Seboist]

nelly21 wrote...

Good Lord. We gamers must be the most illogical (not to mention petty, whiney and paranoid) human beings in the world.

How does it make sense to you that Bioware (a multimillion dollar company) would intentionally ostracize a segment of their fanbase because they "like the paragons more"? Really? You truly believe that Bioware would anger fans (the ones buying their products) because they like paragons more? You don't really believe that, do you?

And as for the storyline, we have very little information to go by. Did it occur to you that maybe Illusive Man finds Shepard expendable once he is in possession of the Collector Base? Or maybe he is afraid that Shepard will reveal too much at the trial. There are a few explanations for why TIM is acting this way. Is it too much to ask that you wait until the game is out before pulling out the "STORYLINE SUCKS BECAUSE I DON"T LIKE IT AND IF I DON"T LIKE IT, IT SUCKS!!!!!" card?

ME2 has shown a distinct Paragon bias.

Here's some examples:

1. If you save the council in ME1 you get to see them but if you sacrificed them you won't get to see the new council.

2. Aliens hate Shep for sacrificing the council but humans don't hate him for sacrificing human ships to save the Destiny Ascension.

3. Paragon gets a bunch of cameos but Renegade doesn't even though there's plenty of logical replacements.

There's more than enough reason to be concerned with the direction ME3 is taking.

[MajesticJazz]

To the OP, I agree with you 100%

There is a difference between doing what is right for your fans and just doing Fan Service.

After I beat ME2 for the first time back in January of 2010, I was under the assumption that ME3 will be able to track just how pro-Cerberus/anti-Cerberus we were in ME3 and allow certain scenarios to play out accordingly. In my human-centri Shepard playthrough, I was VERY Pro-Human/Cerberus. In ME1 I killed the council and put Udina in charge. In ME2, I made many pro-cerberus choices like uploading the data to Cerberus (N7 Mission), giving Legion to Cerberus, keeping David's brother hooked up the the machines in Project Overlord, and even giving the base to Cerberus.

I thought Cerberus was going to be this philisophical side of Mass Effect in which they aren't good but not bad. If the Alliance/Council=Good and Reapers=Bad, then Cerberus would have been Grey/Neutral. From ME2 and even in the Retribution novel, it appeared that Cerberus isn't bad/evil, but just pro human who ALSO wants to destroy the Reapers just as much as Shepard does. However looking at how things are shaping up, Cerberus is just going to be the "Geth" or "Collectors" of ME3....just another bad guy.

I do not know if Bioware did this in reaction to fan service, but if they did, then I would be pissed.

Fan Service might be good for the % of people it was intended for, but it often makes things feel forced and unnatural. Take Tali in ME2. I thought it was just a little TOO convenient how she is the first character outside of Jacob/Miranda that we just happen to run into on Freedom's progress. It is like Bioware couldn't wait to show the Tali fans that Tali is in ME2 and you can talk to her and all that jazz. Now there is Cerberus in ME3. People HATED Cerberus and Bioware might have felt like they must make Cerberus=Bad in ME3 or else people would complain in ME3.

Again, we havent played the game yet, but if this was all done in retrospect to fan service....

[nelly21]

1. If you save the council in ME1 you get to see them but if you sacrificed them you won't get to see the new council.

Seeing the original Council is done because they are characters we have already been introduced to. Seeing the human Council would require new characters that are ultimately not important to the proceedings in ME 2. Also, seeing the Council is a treat?

2. Aliens hate Shep for sacrificing the council but humans don't hate him for sacrificing human ships to save the Destiny Ascension.

What is the problem with this? Of course aliens would hate the human that sacrificed the Council. And why would the humans hate Shep for sacrificing the fleet? Not only did it win the battle, but it gained humanity respect throughout the galaxy and got us a seat on the Council. Do Americans and British and all the other countries that participated in D-Day hate Eisenhower for sacrificing thousands of lives at Normandy?

3. Paragon gets a bunch of cameos but Renegade doesn't even though there's plenty of logical replacements.

Could it be that the reason is that most rengade options end up with the potential cameo character dying? I would be pretty pissed off if the rachni queen showed up in ME 2 after I killed her in ME1.

There's more than enough reason to be concerned with the direction ME3 is taking.

There really isn't, but by all means, proudly display your tin foil hat if you feel the need to.

Modifié par nelly21, 20 avril 2011 - 09:38 .

[Captain_Obvious]

Dante Angelo wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Wait, Brutus stabbed Caesar? What the hell? They were best friends.

and the plot thickens

This.

[Saaziel]

Renegade have some legitimate grievances , in my opinion.

But Cerberus turning on a "Saved base" ending isn't one of them. Cerberus doesn't equate Renegade. I use to , and still consider myself to , be a Renegade player . In ME1; That meant that i gave the finger to any authority figure i met. In ME2, it turns out that TIM is the authority figure, so giving him the finger has me flagged as Paragon apparently.

What happen is that the series got into a little role reversal. And if you played consistently , you wouldn't have noticed anything. If however , TIM said "Jump" and you said "Off what cliff ?" , you simply mistaken the value of the symbols for what they're meant to represent.

We never get what we want, because people want the impossible. So i'd suggest the Cerberus sympathizers stops wanting so much, it leads to nothing but disappointments.

[MajesticJazz]

Seboist wrote...


ME2 has shown a distinct Paragon bias.

Here's some examples:

1. If you save the council in ME1 you get to see them but if you sacrificed them you won't get to see the new council.

2. Aliens hate Shep for sacrificing the council but humans don't hate him for sacrificing human ships to save the Destiny Ascension.

3. Paragon gets a bunch of cameos but Renegade doesn't even though there's plenty of logical replacements.

There's more than enough reason to be concerned with the direction ME3 is taking.

To add to your list:

4. If you chose Udina to be on the council in ME1, he appears in ME2 with his SAME uniform from ME1 but yet if you chose Anderson to be on the council, he appears in his new counsular wardrobe. While this seems minor, it is a small attention to detail that was given to Anderson but not Udina. And you cannot argue that chosing Anderson is the unnofficial Paragon choice while Udina is the Renegade choice.

[Seboist]

nelly21 wrote...

1. If you save the council in ME1 you get to see them but if you sacrificed them you won't get to see the new council.

Seeing the original Council is done because they are characters we have already been introduced to. Seeing the human Council would require new characters that are ultimately not important to the proceedings in ME 2. Also, seeing the Council is a treat?

2. Aliens hate Shep for sacrificing the council but humans don't hate him for sacrificing human ships to save the Destiny Ascension.

What is the problem with this? Of course aliens would hate the human that sacrificed the Council. ANd why would the humans hate Shep for sacrificing the fleet. Not only did it win the battle, but it gained humanity respect throughout the galaxy and got us a seat on the Council.

3. Paragon gets a bunch of cameos but Renegade doesn't even though there's plenty of logical replacements.

Could it be that the reason is that most rengade options end up with the potential cameo character dying? I would be pretty pissed off if the rachni queen showed up in ME 2 after I killed her in ME1.

There's more than enough reason to be concerned with the direction ME3 is taking.

There really isn't, but by all means, proudly display your tin foil hat if you feel the need to.

1.  Yes, seeing the council is a "treat". This is game that's supposedly about player choice and i'd like to see the consequences of my actions,which includes seeing the human led council that's in power because my of actions.

2.  Renegades get accused of scheming to put humanity on a power trip by sacrificing the council, it's only fair that humans would accuse Shepard of being an alien stooge for sacrificing Alliance ships.

3. I wasn't refering to the Rachni queen at all but the "minor" cameos who have plenty of replacements, such as:

Killed Shiala? Have Liz Baynham or her mother show up.

Killed Rana Thanoptis? Have one of Kirahee's men show up.

Gianna Parasinni died? Have Maeko Matsuo show up.

etc,etc

[nelly21]

MajesticJazz wrote...

[To add to your list:

4. If you chose Udina to be on the council in ME1, he appears in ME2 with his SAME uniform from ME1 but yet if you chose Anderson to be on the council, he appears in his new counsular wardrobe.

Oh my God!!!!

I never noticed that!!! You're right! Clearly BioWare DESPISES renegades!!!

Udina is wearing a suit. The mayor of my city wears the same suit as any politician in Washington or the U.N. What is your point?