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[Augustei]

Basalit-an is a qunari term meaning A non-qunari worthy of respect. However our Warden is never called this by Sten, instead the greatest honor we achive is being referred to as Kadan something valuedf highly by a member of the qun.. Kadan seemingly is not as great an honor as Basalit-an as one refers to being respected by one person and the other the entire qunari race.. Hawke is referred to as Basalit-an by the Arishok if he can prove his is worthy of respect. 
Upon returning home to Seheron Sten spoke with the Arishok (predecessor to the one in DA2 by the sounds of it, probably now dead i'd guess) and tells him our warden is a noteworthy individual or something and he is greatly respected by a member of the Beresaad. But if our Warden identified himself as the ender of the blight and Kadan to the sten, destroyer of the Kadan-Fe mercenary group (Side quest for the antivan crows) etc etc. Would he be considered Basalit-an?

[Super_Fr33k]

This is an interesting question... Firstly, if the Warden remembered his conversations with Sten at all, he would likely not even mention that Sten considered him Kadan. To do so would require him to explain why... aside from murdering innocents simply out of rage, which Qunari would find wasteful and childish if not abhorrent, Sten lost his sword. Sten calls the Warden Kadan because he spared him from great shame, shame he easily could have killed himself over.

Overall, however, I think the Warden would not be Basalit-an simply for ending the Blight. Skill in battle, as well as the political maneuvering necessary to mobilize bas (including basra vashedan, or foreign trash), would not alone elevate one under the standards of the Qun. The Qunari value discipline, integrity, and a clear sense of purpose. The Warden fulfills his duty, which is respectable, but he can do so through questionable means. The Qunari would evaluate the Warden on as many of his actions and words as possible. The title would also take time spent directly dealing with many Qunari to earn. I certainly think Sten putting in the good word would help some, however.

Keep in mind Hawke has to earn the title over years of direct dealings with the Qunari, and has to display unwavering honesty and courage. Hawke also has to tell the Arishok things for which Hawke may be killed. Admitting to slaying Arvaraad and reporting the diplomatic envoy missing are at least two instances where Hawke tells the truth at great personal risk.

Modifié par Super_Fr33k, 18 avril 2011 - 07:42 .

[IanPolaris]

I think that the Grey Wardens as a group are generally assumed to be Basalit-An by the Qunari at least by reputation. CertainlySten seems to feel that way whatever he might feel about the warden him or herself. Remember that at one point Sten challenges you (even after you get his sword back) and only Basalit-An are worthy enough to be challenged.

-Polaris

[EmperorSahlertz]

I think Sten honors the Grey Warden even further by calling him Kadan. Wardens as a whole is considered mythical by the Qunari, so I don't think they are even bas in the Qunari eyes. They are closer to a unicorn, than an uninformed, to the Qunari.

[Augustei]

IanPolaris wrote...

I think that the Grey Wardens as a group are generally assumed to be Basalit-An by the Qunari at least by reputation. CertainlySten seems to feel that way whatever he might feel about the warden him or herself. Remember that at one point Sten challenges you (even after you get his sword back) and only Basalit-An are worthy enough to be challenged.

-Polaris

A very good point, the Arishok refused to duel Isabela since she was not Basalit-an and if Sten dueled the warden he would have to be considered as such otherwise he would just openly attack him.. Still if he was Basalit-an why didn't Sten ever identify the warden as such =(

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I think Sten honors the Grey Warden even further by calling him Kadan.
Wardens as a whole is considered mythical by the Qunari, so I don't
think they are even bas in the Qunari eyes. They are closer to a
unicorn, than an uninformed, to the Qunari.

An interesting comparison? Lol =D

[The Angry One]

Since when do the Qun bother with redunancy? You're a Grey Warden. To add that you're basalit-an would be needless.

[General User]

Perhaps basalit-an is a honorific/designation that only the Arishok can declare in his capacity of the commander of the body of the Qunari.

After all any Qunari can value someone highly and make them comrade/kadan, but maybe it takes a leader like the Arishok to declare a foreigner or group of foreigners worthy of respect by the Qunari as a whole...

Modifié par General User, 18 avril 2011 - 10:58 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think the Warden in my icon definitely qualified as basalit-an, at least in Sten's eyes, since he told the Arishok she was the only worthy person he met south of Par Vollen. Sadly, she was also dead by that point. Their love was destined never to be .

I think it's entirely possible that a Sten doesn't have the authority to declare whether someone is basalit-an or not.

[In Exile]

Kadan is a personal term; it's not just that Sten considers you worthy of respect according to the Qun, it's that he considers worthy of respect in a personal sense that's the closest kind of respect (as I understand it) his culture is capable of.

I think the point that Wardens are de facto Basalit-an is a good one. Sten respects the Wardens; he thinks our Warden is not worthy of respect. Until closer to the end of the game, depending on your choices.

[Ox_Mox]

I think the wardens in general are considered basalit-an. In origins Sten mentions that the wardens have a reputation as peerless warriors and skilled strategists, which certainly indicates some measure of respect.

[upsettingshorts]

Well the Wardens as an entity put the group and the continent ahead of themselves. It is almost by definition an unselfish organization built to fulfill a role, something the Qunari would clearly understand. The fact that they have to become very skilled fighters to be effective in this role only adds to the respect, I'm guessing.

[doloreg]

I think that Basalit-an is something like a worthy foe, a foreigner (bas) that the qunari respect to a certain degree.
Kadan is more like friend, or comrade, which is more personal.

The warden (if dead) is Qunoran Vehl in Sten's eyes, the qunari version of heroes, only achieved after death. It holds way more respect than basalit-an.

[Wulfram]

Being Basalit-an doesn't seem to be worth much.  It's rather like being loyal to Cthulhu - your reward is to be killed first.

[Amagoi]

After Sten returns, the Qunari have more of an idea that the Wardens aren't all a myth. They respect the order, but I don't know if they'd consider the Hero of Ferelden to be something special. I'd imagine they view it that no matter what you do in Origins, you fulfill your duty. There's nothing above and beyond the call of duty worthy of noted respect. Maybe if the Warden sacrificed themselves.

[The Angry One]

Amagoi wrote...

After Sten returns, the Qunari have more of an idea that the Wardens aren't all a myth. They respect the order, but I don't know if they'd consider the Hero of Ferelden to be something special. I'd imagine they view it that no matter what you do in Origins, you fulfill your duty. There's nothing above and beyond the call of duty worthy of noted respect. Maybe if the Warden sacrificed themselves.

The Qun obviously value some duties above others, or they wouldn't have an equivalent of national heroes themselves.
I doubt very much that a baker would ever earn the title of Qunoran Vehl. Well, maybe if they happened to produce a particularily delicious cookie.

[Wulfram]

Amagoi wrote...

After Sten returns, the Qunari have more of an idea that the Wardens aren't all a myth. They respect the order, but I don't know if they'd consider the Hero of Ferelden to be something special. I'd imagine they view it that no matter what you do in Origins, you fulfill your duty. There's nothing above and beyond the call of duty worthy of noted respect. Maybe if the Warden sacrificed themselves.

Basalit-an doesn't mean they see you as something special.  It just means you're not quite so crappy as the rest of the Bas.

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

After Sten returns, the Qunari have more of an idea that the Wardens aren't all a myth. They respect the order, but I don't know if they'd consider the Hero of Ferelden to be something special. I'd imagine they view it that no matter what you do in Origins, you fulfill your duty. There's nothing above and beyond the call of duty worthy of noted respect. Maybe if the Warden sacrificed themselves.

The Qun obviously value some duties above others, or they wouldn't have an equivalent of national heroes themselves.
I doubt very much that a baker would ever earn the title of Qunoran Vehl. Well, maybe if they happened to produce a particularily delicious cookie.

But the Baker could become Arigena and lead the Qunari into an age of prosperity.

[doloreg]

Well, the qunari do love cookies.

[Maria Caliban]

This is something of a silly question.

Basalit-an is a personal honorific. It won't apply to all Grey Wardens. Why? Because some Grey Wardens are conniving b*****s that a qunari would look down on.

Could the Warden be seen as basalit-an? It would depend on the Warden. Because, you know, like Hawke, different Wardens have different personalities.

[The Angry One]

Well, nowhere does it say basalit-an means "not a jerk".
For example you can side with the fanatics and make the Arishok's life hell and he will still declare you basalit-an.

[Joy Divison]

Wulfram wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

After Sten returns, the Qunari have more of an idea that the Wardens aren't all a myth. They respect the order, but I don't know if they'd consider the Hero of Ferelden to be something special. I'd imagine they view it that no matter what you do in Origins, you fulfill your duty. There's nothing above and beyond the call of duty worthy of noted respect. Maybe if the Warden sacrificed themselves.

Basalit-an doesn't mean they see you as something special.  It just means you're not quite so crappy as the rest of the Bas.

Correct:  Basvaraad is a foreigner worthy of following.  The GW, depending on their's decisions, would be more than this according to Sten.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 18 avril 2011 - 04:03 .

[Sarethus]

Another question to consider is how much authority Sten has to give such a title to another.

From what I remember Kadan means something like Brother (as Qunari don't believe in Females being soldiers) or Comrade in arms.

Any warrior could likely give such a title to one whom he fights besides and is worthy of his respect but could Sten or any Qunari Warrior besides the Arishok give the title of Basalit-an to another?

Remember the Arishok is one of the three heads of the Qunari, Whats within his right to do, is probably not within Sten's right to do.

[doloreg]

Joy Divison wrote...


Correct:  Basvaraad is a foreigner worthy of following.  The GW, depending on their's decisions, would be more than this according to Sten.

No, an Arvaarad holds the leash of a saarebas, Basvaraad simply means that the person who  commands the Saarebas is a foreigner, a bas.