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[Sabariel]

cihimi wrote...

Eye for an eye. That is Justice. Anders was insane. A psychopath with a hero complex, plain and simple. He deserved the knife. Good luck with that "name to serve as inspiration" bull crap.

Sounds like something Anders would say

[Caine009]

I kill him. He's a manipulative user and an abomination.

[Ryzaki]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Yes it is a double standard.  You want to forgive the Chantry's wrongdoings while absolutely condemning Anders'.

Um no its not. Not even close. If he wanted to kill all mages for Anders wrongdoing it would be. Condemning the person actually responsible for the atrocity is entirely different. On either side.

Should all Catholic priests go to jail because a few are pedophiles? Should the entire middle east be killed because of 9/11? Should all Americans be punished because one wacky minster in Florida burns a holy book? Are all cops bad because a few are on the take?

(Rhetorical. But since you were tossing the Civil War into our gaming discussion I thought it fair.)

Sometimes when crimes are committed, you punish the criminal. Crazy concept, I know. Ser Alrik recieved exactly the same justice I gave Anders.

God this. THIS SO MUCH. 

[Peer of the Empire]

Sabariel wrote...

cihimi wrote...

Eye for an eye. That is Justice. Anders was insane. A psychopath with a hero complex, plain and simple. He deserved the knife. Good luck with that "name to serve as inspiration" bull crap.

Sounds like something Anders would say

Anders dies.  It is him who certainly must pay for his crimes.

[Sabariel]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

cihimi wrote...

Eye for an eye. That is Justice. Anders was insane. A psychopath with a hero complex, plain and simple. He deserved the knife. Good luck with that "name to serve as inspiration" bull crap.

Sounds like something Anders would say

Anders dies.  It is him who certainly must pay for his crimes.

Considering my Hawke was just as guilty as Anders I found it rather hypocritical for him to knife Anders. Maybe if  there was the option to kill Anders and then "yourself" I would do it...

[nos_astra]

Sabariel wrote...
Considering my Hawke was just as guilty as Anders I found it rather hypocritical for him to knife Anders. Maybe if  there was the option to kill Anders and then "yourself" I would do it...

You really like TEH DRAMAZ, huh?

How about, your Hawke kills Anders to appease Kirkwall and save him from Vengeance. And then live on, terribly broken up, feeling guilty, trying to follow the path Anders has laid out?

Modifié par klarabella, 20 avril 2011 - 06:34 .

[Persephone]

klarabella wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
Considering my Hawke was just as guilty as Anders I found it rather hypocritical for him to knife Anders. Maybe if  there was the option to kill Anders and then "yourself" I would do it...

You really like TEH DRAMAZ, huh?

How about, your Hawke kills Anders to appease Kirkwall and save him from Vengeance. And then live on, terribly broken up, feeling guilty, trying to follow the path Anders has laid out?

One of my Hawkes ALMOST did this but then decided because she had once loved him, she would let him go. Starkhaven attack or no.

Only Anders ruined the idea by coming BACK (At the Gallows), breaking her heart all over again and forced her to kill him.

One of the most intense gaming moments of my life. I as well as my Hawke stared at Anders for about two minutes straight after he died, completely shell shocked by the experience.

[Sabariel]

klarabella wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
Considering my Hawke was just as guilty as Anders I found it rather hypocritical for him to knife Anders. Maybe if  there was the option to kill Anders and then "yourself" I would do it...

You really like TEH DRAMAZ, huh?

How about, your Hawke kills Anders to appease Kirkwall and save him from Vengeance. And then live on, terribly broken up, feeling guilty, trying to follow the path Anders has laid out?

Neh, drama is boring. I'd rather save Anders from Vengeance by using a plunger. Comedy is more fun:wizard:

Modifié par Sabariel, 20 avril 2011 - 06:56 .

[nos_astra]

@Persephone
Oh, I forgot you could do that. Yes, sounds like an intriguing story. ^^

Modifié par klarabella, 20 avril 2011 - 07:01 .

[Persephone]

klarabella wrote...

@Persephone
Oh, I forgot you could do that. Yes, sounds like an intriguing story. ^^

It was intense. But one has to side with the Templars for this to happen that way.

[nos_astra]

Sabariel wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Sabariel wrote...
Considering my Hawke was just as guilty as Anders I found it rather hypocritical for him to knife Anders. Maybe if  there was the option to kill Anders and then "yourself" I would do it...

You really like TEH DRAMAZ, huh?

How about, your Hawke kills Anders to appease Kirkwall and save him from Vengeance. And then live on, terribly broken up, feeling guilty, trying to follow the path Anders has laid out?

Neh, drama is boring. I'd rather save Anders from Vengeance by using a plunger. Comedy is more fun:wizard:

Now that you're saying it, sounds like pure comedic gold.

[TEWR]

DeathStride wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

As I said in your other thread:

He goes free. It's a war, and in any war there will be casualties. The Templars were warned, and the Chantry is anything but innocent--their dogma is the reason for mage imprisonment. Viva la revolution.

I'm not against him starting a mage revolution, I'm quite passionately pro-mage freedom and that really won't happen anytime soon, if ever, without a revolution. My beef was with Anders using the Chantry as his opening move. If he wanted to start a war, he should have attacked the Templar quarters.

The problem with that is this: The Templar HQ in Kirkwall is also the Mage HQ.

[AngryFaerie]

I really pity anders. I mean I did not like that he targeted the Chantary but in a way he had a point...The Mages needed a revolution. And because if that he made himself an abomination, I mean hes like not even fun anymore! When my Warden met him in awakenings I was likg OMG hes an awesome character,, but in DA2 his whining is a bit much. Not to mention you can barely joke with him, (That makes it hard for Sarcastic Lady Hawke.) So even if I kill him at the end, what would be the point,,hes pretty much already gone...

[cihimi]

Since Vengeance had already, for all intents and purpose, overwhelmed Anders' humanity, sanity, and stuff, Hawke is doing Anders (and the world) a favor by getting rid of the demon. Anders was collateral damage and couldn't be helped since he was the vessel.

[BlueMew]

AngryFaerie wrote...
(That makes it hard for Sarcastic Lady Hawke.) So even if I kill him at the end, what would be the point,,hes pretty much already gone...

I never had much trouble, but then again, my sarcastic Hawke didn't usually joke around when people were having an emotional crisis. Well, apart from nobility, templars and other extraplanar creatures, they are fair game 

If someone can save Anders, it would be Hawke. Well, or possibly the Warden, if a mage, but apparently they have mysterious stuff to do. I'd put my money on LI Hawke, and / or mage. Mine will certainly try.

Since Vengeance had already, for all intents and purpose, overwhelmed Anders' humanity, sanity, and stuff, Hawke is doing Anders (and the world) a favor by getting rid of the demon. Anders was collateral damage and couldn't be helped since he was the vessel.

It's a solution, of course, but then again, Connor could be freed, Feynriel seems to be able to do a decent job at mastering the dangerous stuff, who knows.

Modifié par BlueMew, 20 avril 2011 - 12:42 .

[AngryFaerie]

Can he be saved though? They said you can't undo possession.
I wonder since my lady hawke let him live if in the future she can alreast calm his Spirit of Vengeance I mean she was his friend afterall.

[EmperorSahlertz]

You can undo some forms of possessions. If the host has willingly accepted the demon, the demon can be fought within the Fade, to relinquish control of the host. If the host was unwilling though, the hosts "soul" is destroyed in the process of possession.

[BlueMew]

AngryFaerie wrote...

Can he be saved though? They said you can't undo possession.
I wonder since my lady hawke let him live if in the future she can alreast calm his Spirit of Vengeance I mean she was his friend afterall.

Well, you could undo Connor's possession, and Feynriel learns to master the creepiness to a degree, so I suppose either of those would work -- but it wouldn't exactly be easy. I mean, if you can corrupt a spirit by being hateful, you could, theoretically, calm it too, I guess. Would be bloody hard work though, and not... entirely pleasant.

[AngryFaerie]

Remember wynne techically she was an abomination too right? Too bad Anders didn't get a nice happy spirit

[Lewie]

If you kill Anders though do you kill Vengance or set him free. Killing Marethari set the demon free from her it was similar in that they were bound. Maybe Anders has loosed a more powerful demon, i can't see how it simply died with him.

Not to mention that any demon would just love the chance to blow up the chantry.

Modifié par louise101, 20 avril 2011 - 02:13 .

[AngryFaerie]

Demons and Spirits bah! such meddling jerks

like hawke said. "Oh, yes, demons are very helpful, right up until they take your mind and turn you into a monster."

[Addai]

louise101 wrote...


If you kill Anders though do you kill Vengance or set him free. Killing Marethari set the demon free from her it was similar in that they were bound. Maybe Anders has loosed a more powerful demon, i can't see how it simply died with him.

Not to mention that any demon would just love the chance to blow up the chantry.

Anders seemed to think that Justice needed a human host in order to remain.

[Einherjar420]

I chose to let him live, and I kept him around. I hope for DLC or to continue his story in Dragon Age 3. I want to know more about how Vengeance corrupted him so much, and if there will ever be a way of freeing him from Vengeance. For I feel that it was Vengeance who destroyed the Chantry.

[Camenae]

Kill him...wait for Justice to leave, and then restart his heart before he suffers permanent brain damage. I think I have 3 minutes after he stops breathing?

: ( I just really want Justice out of Anders. If Justice really has to stay, then with all the people Hawke kills, she could have an infinite supply of Invisible Sisters and Dog Lords for him to go Kristoff on.

[Rifneno]

Einherjar420 wrote...

I chose to let him live, and I kept him around. I hope for DLC or to continue his story in Dragon Age 3. I want to know more about how Vengeance corrupted him so much, and if there will ever be a way of freeing him from Vengeance. For I feel that it was Vengeance who destroyed the Chantry.

Yeah, it'd be great if they expand on Vengeance's corruption.  As it stands it doesn't hold up with the known lore.  No other spirit or demon has been changed by their host's personality.  And it's not like Justice didn't know what anger was until he merged with Anders, he specifically says in DAA "Such evil angers me, but I do not understand it."  (In reference to demons in case anyone is wondering)  It just doesn't make any sense as they have it now.

Hmm.  This is a stab in the dark, but I wonder if he was changed or corrupted somehow by the Countress' spell that drove him into the mortal world to begin with.  It may just have taken time to manifest, or only manifest when he left Kristoff's body.  Either way, I have a feeling that Justice corrupted Anders more than the other way around.