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[Ulyn]

I found an old save. I wonder, how can you tell if the character's hardened? I was wondering if there are any other options besides "Everyone's out for themselves," which seems wildly incongruous as a "duty-teaching, happy ending enabling" plot lynchpin.

[DarthCaine]

Elessie wrote...

Ulyn wrote...

If anyone got Alistair + Anora monarchy with a Logaine sacrifice, post so?

I did.  I hardened Alistair, spared Loghain at Landsmeet, made Alistair marry Anora, and let Loghain kill the archdemon.

So what was the ending text like?

[Boeresmurf]

hmm i wonder: i hardened leliana and allistair.

currently playing human noble ( male) i intend to marry anora and let allistair /loghain take the final blow.



how is this worked out ? .. because my first playthrough i had a hard time understanding how anora/allistair would react on all my responses around the landsmeet quest

[Haasth]

Boeresmurf wrote...

hmm i wonder: i hardened leliana and allistair.
currently playing human noble ( male) i intend to marry anora and let allistair /loghain take the final blow.

how is this worked out ? .. because my first playthrough i had a hard time understanding how anora/allistair would react on all my responses around the landsmeet quest

If I understand you correctly, it should be rather simple and the hardening has no effect on it.
As a Human Noble (Male) you only need to persuade Anora, I guess, to marry you. You become a prince-consort.
As for Alistair and Loghain taking the final blow, you simply let Alistair kill Loghain (Don't do it yourself if you want to marry Anora) or let Loghain become a Grey Warden, then deny Morrigan's proposal and let them take the final blow.

[jimmyw404]

I'm so tough I hardened Sten.

[Yorenec]

If you don't harden Alistair and make him king, it only says that he's a popular king because he mingles with the commoners a lot, mostly to avoid governing and doing kingly stuff.



If you do harden him and make him king, it says that he studies the art of governing and takes it seriously, doing his best to rule with a fair and even hand. He's also very popular because of his humor and mingling in lower-class taverns from time to time.



Basically, if you don't harden him, he's worse than Anora.



If you do harden him, he becomes Maric 2.0.



Pretty easy choice IMO.

[Insect]

..here I was being nice to them, and now I find out I can change their personalities?



Oh well, the more playthroughs the better :b

[remotay]

DarthCaine wrote...

What happens at the end if you "harden" Alistair (and make him king) and Leliana?

Well DarthCaine.. when a man becomes 'hardened' his reproductive organ gets... errect.

[DarthCaine]

So, the best ending is to harden them both or just Alistair?



Does the ending text about Leliana change if you harden her?

[RavenholmeCP42]

If you harden Alistair, and are an elf, does he still give the Elves a voice in the Landsmeet or does he not?

[DarthCaine]

remotay wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

What happens at the end if you "harden" Alistair (and make him king) and Leliana?

Well DarthCaine.. when a man becomes 'hardened' his reproductive organ gets... errect.

Then how exactly do you harden Leliana?

Modifié par DarthCaine, 19 novembre 2009 - 03:18 .

[DarthCaine]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

If you harden Alistair, and are an elf, does he still give the Elves a voice in the Landsmeet or does he not?

That's what I'd like to know as well

[jimmyw404]

DarthCaine wrote...

remotay wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

What happens at the end if you "harden" Alistair (and make him king) and Leliana?

Well DarthCaine.. when a man becomes 'hardened' his reproductive organ gets... errect.

Then how exactly do you harden Leliana?

ears get sharper

[FlintlockJazz]

Red Viking wrote...

HavardTheAegis wrote...
How do you harden Leliana?

*ignores fact that this whole thread sounds really really dirty*

You have to kill Marjolaine, then convince Leliana that she was just running away from who she really was.  You don't convince her that she's a bad person deep down, just that she was lying to herself by turning to the Chantry.

I don't think you do have to kill Marjolaine in order to harden her, or maybe there's different degrees of hardening, I'm not sure.  All I know is that I didn't kill Marj yet depending on how I talked to Leliana afterwards determined how she responded to the Isobella thing in the Pearl: if I told her that she should stay with the chantry she would get upset whereas if I got her to go with her instincts then she would, um, join in.

[remotay]

Hah - Jimmyw404 gave you a good answer DarthCaine.

[Dark83]

Question: Is it possible to marry Anora to become king, and keep Leilana?

Modifié par Dark83, 19 novembre 2009 - 03:56 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Dark83 wrote...

Question: Is it possible to marry Anora to become king, and keep Leilana?

I've wondered this too.  I've been told no, but I'm, um, working on it.  Since you can keep Zev on the side I don't see why you can't do the same with Lel... :innocent:

[DarthCaine]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Red Viking wrote...

HavardTheAegis wrote...
How do you harden Leliana?

*ignores fact that this whole thread sounds really really dirty*

You have to kill Marjolaine, then convince Leliana that she was just running away from who she really was.  You don't convince her that she's a bad person deep down, just that she was lying to herself by turning to the Chantry.

I don't think you do have to kill Marjolaine in order to harden her, or maybe there's different degrees of hardening, I'm not sure.  All I know is that I didn't kill Marj yet depending on how I talked to Leliana afterwards determined how she responded to the Isobella thing in the Pearl: if I told her that she should stay with the chantry she would get upset whereas if I got her to go with her instincts then she would, um, join in.

Any other differences besides the threesome/foursome and besides the fact that she appears in leather at the end?

Modifié par DarthCaine, 19 novembre 2009 - 05:06 .

[Foxd1e]

Is there any other characters that you can harden besides Alistair and Leliana? Oghren could probably use it, he gets a little whiney and emo at times and he has an alcohol problem.

[Elessie]

DarthCaine wrote...

Elessie wrote...

Ulyn wrote...

If anyone got Alistair + Anora monarchy with a Logaine sacrifice, post so?

I did.  I hardened Alistair, spared Loghain at Landsmeet, made Alistair marry Anora, and let Loghain kill the archdemon.

So what was the ending text like?

Well this was the epilogue text, I think it's the best I've found so far:

"In the months that followed their wedding, Alistair and Anora proved themselves a surprisingly effective pair.  Alistair spent a great deal of time at court, showing willingness to learn the art of governing from Anora and often deferring to her judgement -- and no one was more suprised by this than Anora herself.  The two of them made numerous outings into Denerim and the other settlements in Fereldan, supervising the reconstruction process and greeting their subjects personally, much to the commoner's enthusiastic approval.  Many said the chaos of the civil war and Landsmeet were worth it for delivering such beloved monarchs."

[DarthCaine]

^^ So what happened to the elves? (not the dalish, the city elves)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:30 .

[Ulyn]

To reiterate a question above, what's the quickest way to "check" hardening Alistair? I'd like to test if a phrase other than "Everyone's out for themselves" would suffice. Since it's kind of suboptimal to say something out of character (and, well, wrong) to make Alistair more responsible.



Sometimes stuff doesn't make perfect sense but it's odd.

[DarthCaine]

Foxd1e wrote...

Is there any other characters that you can harden besides Alistair and Leliana?.

Nope

Dark83 wrote...

Question: Is it possible to marry Anora to become king, and keep Leilana?

I don't think so, though I don't know for sure

Modifié par DarthCaine, 20 novembre 2009 - 11:07 .

[Sc4Freak]

Elessie wrote...

Ulyn wrote...

If anyone got Alistair + Anora monarchy with a Logaine sacrifice, post so?

I did.  I hardened Alistair, spared Loghain at Landsmeet, made Alistair marry Anora, and let Loghain kill the archdemon.

Whoa! I thought that sparing Loghain will always cause Alistair to leave permanently. Apparently the ending has more variables than I thought.

[Eonassassin]

What choice do I make at Alistair's sisters quest to harden him?