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[Elessie]

Sc4Freak wrote...

Elessie wrote...

Ulyn wrote...

If anyone got Alistair + Anora monarchy with a Logaine sacrifice, post so?

I did.  I hardened Alistair, spared Loghain at Landsmeet, made Alistair marry Anora, and let Loghain kill the archdemon.

Whoa! I thought that sparing Loghain will always cause Alistair to leave permanently. Apparently the ending has more variables than I thought.

Alistair does still leave your party.  He doesn't run off though, he stays in Denerim and you can talk to him at the post-coronation celebration.

[DarthCaine]

Elessie wrote...

Alistair does still leave your party.  He doesn't run off though, he stays in Denerim and you can talk to him at the post-coronation celebration.

Can you tell me what happened to the elves in your ending? (not the dalish, the city elves)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 20 novembre 2009 - 07:06 .

[Elessie]

DarthCaine wrote...

Elessie wrote...

Alistair does still leave your party.  He doesn't run off though, he stays in Denerim and you can talk to him at the post-coronation celebration.

Can you tell me what happened to the elves in your ending? (not the dalish, the city elves)

Alistair named a local elder to his personal court despite the scandal, and Shianni was outspoken and eventually became an elder.  That's about all it says.

[DarthCaine]

So, it looks like the best ending is to harden Alistair, spare Loghain and let him sacrifice himself

I still don't know if hardening Leilana changes anything (besides the ending clothes and the threesome/foursome)

[Dussan2]

Ulyn wrote...

I've read some people say they've gotten an Alistair + Anora monarchy with a Logaine sacrifice.

This'd seem to be a "good ending" unless you happened to really think the old god soul needed saving.   I went back to a pre-landsmeet save to try and set it up - my persuade was maxed - but sparing Logaine resulted in a fairly unpleasant Alistair wigout with attendant attempt by Anora to have him executed after he abandoned the marriage plan.

I don't really know if I want to go all the way back to the first Goldana meetup - which in my case was prior to both Orzammar and the Bracilian Forest - just to 'test' if hardening Alistair would result in him accepting the marriage after Loghaine was spared.  However he did say something about only wanting the kingship to bring Logaine to justice, and was a little whiny about the whole thing, so it might be the case, given what people've said.

I dunno how much backtracking I feel like without any full playthrough yet, I might just go the Morrigan route.  I can't stomach a Fallout 3 conclusion, I find it unduly gravitas-ex-machina. 

DAMN, it was that hard?

I convinced Anora and Alistair to marry, not hard cause Alistair was at 95% Friendship with me.  Bros before Hos.  Me and Alistair are tight so he did the deed despite his objection.  One thing to note is this.  I fought and killed Loghain so his blood splattered all over her face.  Then I talked to Arl Eamon, and said I wanna talk to Anora talked to her and made no promises, talked to Alistair made no decision.  Then talked to ARl Eamon.  One option was "I believe Alistair and Anora have agreed to marry".  They both agree and get married.  Alistair rides off with me to crush/kill the Archdemon and Anora stays home.  At the end Allistair was still the happy go lucky guy, Leliana and I were knocking boots, even after I impregnated Morrigan cuase it was none of her business.  Everyone was happy, cept in freakin Orzamar where everyone was cutting each others throats.  Damn.

[Dark83]

Why have Loghain sacrifice himself as opposed to boning Morrigan?



As the 'better' ending, I mean. Is it a difference between her running off, or...? Actually, I don't think I know the alternative.

[Levowitz]

I got Alistair to his sister's before we even discussed his being royalty. I hardened him, I think, by saying that everyone is out for themselves and she only wanted his money. However, when he revealed he was royalty, he said he didn't want to be.



It is my suspicion that it's just done out of order and that he's hardened, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm?

[Walina]

I think you can't really change the dialog of the story.

[zazally]

Does Hardining Leliana change any chat dialogues or cause any problems to your relationship with her for example if I want to romance Leliana can I still harden her or not? Thank you in advance!

[zazally]

Does Hardining Leliana change any chat dialogues or cause any problems to your relationship with her for example if I want to romance Leliana can I still harden her or not? Thank you in advance!

[Setz69]

DarthCaine wrote...

So, it looks like the best ending is to harden Alistair, spare Loghain and let him sacrifice himself

I still don't know if hardening Leilana changes anything (besides the ending clothes and the threesome/foursome)

Im not sure about that. I didn't harden alistair at all and he stilled married anora. Just make sure you persuade both of them before the landsmeet, than make sure YOU kill loghain, not allistair. She will than hold up her agreement to marry alistair. If alistair kills her father she wont marry him.

My ending was that Alistair was loved by all didn't do much governing but went around visiting the folk etc etc. while anora took the governing into her own hands. The two were quite the team (Or something along those lines. Sounded happy for alistair to me).

Haven't beat it yet with my bad character who hardened both of them, so im not sure what the ending for that is yet.

[Walina]

I don't know, but for Alistair if you not harden him he will still refuse to become king at Landmeet instead if you harden him, he will be like another person who just be like "Yes, I want to become king, I always wanted to be!" O_o (what the hell, who is this guy, when did he wanted to be king before ?)

[Eliende]

How the heck do you "harden" these NPCs?

[Walina]

You've to do their personal quest and there is a reply that you have to tell them to harden them even if it doesn't fit the dialog imo.

[Eliende]

Walina wrote...

You've to do their personal quest and there is a reply that you have to tell them to harden them even if it doesn't fit the dialog imo.

Ah, OK. A sort of "Yeah, I got you your X, now toughen up and quit whining!" 

[Walina]

I will try it in my second playthrough but I hope it won't change a lot characters just like I saw in some videos on youtube

[DarthCaine]

Setz69 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

So, it looks like the best ending is to harden Alistair, spare Loghain and let him sacrifice himself

I still don't know if hardening Leilana changes anything (besides the ending clothes and the threesome/foursome)

Im not sure about that. I didn't harden alistair at all and he stilled married anora. Just make sure you persuade both of them before the landsmeet, than make sure YOU kill loghain, not allistair. She will than hold up her agreement to marry alistair. If alistair kills her father she wont marry him.

My ending was that Alistair was loved by all didn't do much governing but went around visiting the folk etc etc. while anora took the governing into her own hands. The two were quite the team (Or something along those lines. Sounded happy for alistair to me).

Haven't beat it yet with my bad character who hardened both of them, so im not sure what the ending for that is yet.

That's not what I meant. If you harden Alistair and spare Loghain, Alistair leaves the party but still becomes king and you don't have to make the evil child to save yourself. Loghain sacrifices himself, you live, Alistair becomes king and rules like Maric = everybody wins

[DarthCaine]

zazally wrote...

Does Hardining Leliana change any chat dialogues or cause any problems to your relationship with her for example if I want to romance Leliana can I still harden her or not? Thank you in advance!

The only changes I know of is that if you harden her you can do a threesome/foursome with her and Isabela and she shows up in leather in the ending scene. I don't know if it changes the ending text

[DarthCaine]

Walina wrote...

I will try it in my second playthrough but I hope it won't change a lot characters just like I saw in some videos on youtube

Can you post a link to those videos?

[Maric Theirin]

Gah, while hardening them makes things better in the long run I don't know if I can be intentionally mean to them.

[EatinMcRib]

DarthCaine wrote...

If you harden Alistair and spare Loghain, Alistair leaves the party but still becomes king and you don't have to make the evil child to save yourself. Loghain sacrifices himself, you live, Alistair becomes king and rules like Maric = everybody wins

Does he forgive you later on? He sounded royally pissed about Loghain and I'd imagine the first thing he'd do as king is execute you.

[Rockmonkey55]

When at the landsmeet make sure you kill Loghain and not Allstair, Thats what I did and he and Anora married, She wont marry her fathers killer. She will show her destain for allstair when they approch the Revered mother for there blessing . Allstair trys to hold her hand as they walk up the stairs but she pulls her hand away. This was without hardening Allstair

[Setz69]

DarthCaine wrote...

Setz69 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

So, it looks like the best ending is to harden Alistair, spare Loghain and let him sacrifice himself

I still don't know if hardening Leilana changes anything (besides the ending clothes and the threesome/foursome)

Im not sure about that. I didn't harden alistair at all and he stilled married anora. Just make sure you persuade both of them before the landsmeet, than make sure YOU kill loghain, not allistair. She will than hold up her agreement to marry alistair. If alistair kills her father she wont marry him.

My ending was that Alistair was loved by all didn't do much governing but went around visiting the folk etc etc. while anora took the governing into her own hands. The two were quite the team (Or something along those lines. Sounded happy for alistair to me).

Haven't beat it yet with my bad character who hardened both of them, so im not sure what the ending for that is yet.

That's not what I meant. If you harden Alistair and spare Loghain, Alistair leaves the party but still becomes king and you don't have to make the evil child to save yourself. Loghain sacrifices himself, you live, Alistair becomes king and rules like Maric = everybody wins

Ah I understand what you mean. I wonder if alistair would forgive you if you explained you just needed Loghain to sacrifice himself.

As for the evil child theory, your child is untainted making it not evil. It will be born as any human, without prejudice or knowledge of right or wrong, and depending on who raises it that will decide what it will be. Thats why im hoping I get to chase Morrigan down soon. My first toon needs to catch her, take my kid back and raise it with Lelia, while my second needs to catch her cuz he "loves" her. fool...

[DarthCaine]

EatinMcRib wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

If you harden Alistair and spare Loghain, Alistair leaves the party but still becomes king and you don't have to make the evil child to save yourself. Loghain sacrifices himself, you live, Alistair becomes king and rules like Maric = everybody wins

Does he forgive you later on? He sounded royally pissed about Loghain and I'd imagine the first thing he'd do as king is execute you.

I don't know whether he forgives you (I didn't get that ending), but he doesn't execute you

[Ulyn]

Setz69 wrote
Im not sure about that. I didn't harden alistair at all and he stilled married anora. Just make sure you persuade both of them before the landsmeet, than make sure YOU kill loghain, not allistair. She will than hold up her agreement to marry alistair. If alistair kills her father she wont marry him.

My ending was that Alistair was loved by all didn't do much governing but went around visiting the folk etc etc. while anora took the governing into her own hands. The two were quite the team (Or something along those lines. Sounded happy for alistair to me).

Haven't beat it yet with my bad character who hardened both of them, so im not sure what the ending for that is yet.

Gah!  I didn't realize, I'd had Alistair do the beheading.  Will check immediately on my save.

Dussan & Dark - it's basically an issue of rp-ing the Grey Warden.  Maybe letting an amoral, starving-peasants-is-survival-of-the-fittest Nietschette run off with a baby god will work out, but then again maybe it won't; and the rest of the Grey Wardens know something us up owing to the nobody-dead situation. 

Modifié par Ulyn, 21 novembre 2009 - 01:45 .