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[Zulu_DFA]

Jagri wrote...

Would this be considered metagaming?

People are wanting to kill Anderson based on information in a novel that Shepard may not even know nothing about? By the time Shepard does learn of it in Mass Effect 3 he/she is already being hunted by Cerberus and likely wouldn't care?

"I am going to kill Anderson!!! He betrayed the organization that used me and is out to kill me!!!"

I don't understand people anymore...

Considering the magnitude of the politcal sh*tstorm Anderson caused and his resignation, I suppose it may be presumed Shepard will have heard of it on the news, by the time of his own trial. So yeah, the first thing that needs to be on the dialogue wheel between Shepard and Anderson is:

"I hear you've been busy undermining my efforts, mister."

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 avril 2011 - 07:54 .

[jbblue05]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I missed the part where kicking TIM in the balls is the same as betraying humanity.

Well the Alliance is the face of Humanity to the alien species.

Cerberus and the Alliance are intertwined so you can't harm one without harming the other.
Anderson the Alliance's councilor or Anderson the Alliance's rear admiral told the Turians the Alliance can't be trusted.

By handing evidence to the Turians Anderson has made the Alliance look incompetent and untrustworthy to the rest of the public.

WIth the evidence the Turians are finding that the Alliance and  Cerberus have a SYMBIOTIC relationship.
Turians are connecting high-ranking Alliance officials with Cerberus.  Which also means that Alliance high Command can possibly be linked with Cerberus.
Alien resentment of the Alliance   Stronger patriotism within the Alliance.   Political sh!tstorm

To sum it all up the Alliance is in a no-win situation

[Zulu_DFA]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Can't we all just get along?

Anderson doesn't think so, apparently.

[Nashiktal]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jagri wrote...

Would this be considered metagaming?

People are wanting to kill Anderson based on information in a novel that Shepard may not even know nothing about? By the time Shepard does learn of it in Mass Effect 3 he/she is already being hunted by Cerberus and likely wouldn't care?

"I am going to kill Anderson!!! He betrayed the organization that used me and is out to kill me!!!"

I don't understand people anymore...

Considering the magnitude of the politcal sh*tstorm Anderson caused and his resignation, I suppose it may be presumed Shepard will have heard of it on the news, by the time of his own trial. So yeah, the first thing that needs to be on the dialogue wheel between Shepard and Anderson is:

"I hear you've been busy undermining my efforts, mister."

I completely support this. We need a tophat and monocle to go with it.

[ExtremeOne]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Back to Miranda, ExtremeOne?

  


Yeah My Shepard loves Miranda and is going to be ultra pissed if she is not on My Ship in 3 

[AdmiralCheez]

jbblue05 wrote...

Well the Alliance is the face of Humanity to the alien species.

Any human organization in the public eye is the "face of humanity."

Cerberus and the Alliance are intertwined so you can't harm one without harming the other.

Hackett, Anderson, and Kahoku disagree.  That's three admirals.  Or two admirals and a councilor.

Anderson the Alliance's councilor or Anderson the Alliance's rear admiral told the Turians the Alliance can't be trusted.

Was that in the book?  If so, in what context?

By handing evidence to the Turians Anderson has made the Alliance look incompetent and untrustworthy to the rest of the public.

The human and turian militaries are pretty buddy-buddy at this point (read the CDN), so it's not like asking them for help is unheard of.  Besides, they'd jump on the opportunity to take down Cerberus, while the Alliance might hesitate since, you know, several political/industrial fat cats are in TIM's pocket.  Thus, there's no way of taking out Cerberus through Alliance forces without alerting the moles.  Third party's your best option.

WIth the evidence the Turians are finding that the Alliance and  Cerberus have a SYMBIOTIC relationship.
Turians are connecting high-ranking Alliance officials with Cerberus.  Which also means that Alliance high Command can possibly be linked with Cerberus.

More like Cerberus is butt-buddies with a few corporations and politicians seeking to advance their own interests.  I'm not saying a few Alliance officers aren't guilty as well, but really, what's your problem with weeding out the guys who've been donating their paychecks to assassination and baby torture?

Alien resentment of the Alliance   Stronger patriotism within the Alliance.   Political sh!tstorm

Humans and aliens worked together to take down terrorists.  A brave human councilor/admiral uncovered corruption in his own government and took action like a real leader.  Galaxy high-fives itself.

To sum it all up the Alliance is in a no-win situation

Only if TIM's man-cleavage makes you horny. ;3

[Dean_the_Young]

More like Cerberus is butt-buddies with a few corporations and politicians seeking to advance their own interests. I'm not saying a few Alliance officers aren't guilty as well, but really, what's your problem with weeding out the guys who've been donating their paychecks to assassination and baby torture?

Why does the US allow Karzai, who is incredibly corrupt, to stay president of Afghanistan? Why does the US allow a number of vocal, and prominent, anti-American clerics in Iraq to openly preach anti-american sentiments? Why did the US ever support murderous dictatorships in the Cold War?

Because the effects of a cure can outweigh a disease. When resolving a problem can create a worse problem, it's ultimately counterproductive to 'fix' it. Problems have priorities, and not all need to or should be done immediately.

[Nashiktal]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Well the Alliance is the face of Humanity to the alien species.

Any human organization in the public eye is the "face of humanity."

Cerberus and the Alliance are intertwined so you can't harm one without harming the other.

Hackett, Anderson, and Kahoku disagree.  That's three admirals.  Or two admirals and a councilor.

Anderson the Alliance's councilor or Anderson the Alliance's rear admiral told the Turians the Alliance can't be trusted.

Was that in the book?  If so, in what context?

By handing evidence to the Turians Anderson has made the Alliance look incompetent and untrustworthy to the rest of the public.

The human and turian militaries are pretty buddy-buddy at this point (read the CDN), so it's not like asking them for help is unheard of.  Besides, they'd jump on the opportunity to take down Cerberus, while the Alliance might hesitate since, you know, several political/industrial fat cats are in TIM's pocket.  Thus, there's no way of taking out Cerberus through Alliance forces without alerting the moles.  Third party's your best option.

WIth the evidence the Turians are finding that the Alliance and  Cerberus have a SYMBIOTIC relationship.
Turians are connecting high-ranking Alliance officials with Cerberus.  Which also means that Alliance high Command can possibly be linked with Cerberus.

More like Cerberus is butt-buddies with a few corporations and politicians seeking to advance their own interests.  I'm not saying a few Alliance officers aren't guilty as well, but really, what's your problem with weeding out the guys who've been donating their paychecks to assassination and baby torture?

Alien resentment of the Alliance   Stronger patriotism within the Alliance.   Political sh!tstorm

Humans and aliens worked together to take down terrorists.  A brave human councilor/admiral uncovered corruption in his own government and took action like a real leader.  Galaxy high-fives itself.

To sum it all up the Alliance is in a no-win situation

Only if TIM's man-cleavage makes you horny. ;3

Actually cheez, if you go renegade humanity and the Turians are in the middle of a cold war.

[Jagri]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Considering the magnitude of the politcal sh*tstorm Anderson caused and his resignation, I suppose it may be presumed Shepard will have heard of it on the news, by the time of his own trial. So yeah, the first thing that needs to be on the dialogue wheel between Shepard and Anderson is:

"I hear you've been busy undermining my efforts, mister."

Anderson: "Undermining your efforts Shepard? Well I ain't trying to put a bullet in your head like your Cerberus pals. I do think getting your head blown off does a little more undermining then my actions don't you agree?"

[Dean_the_Young]

Shepard: Nonsense. I would never be so arrogant to view myself as indispensible for saving the galaxy. Your damage to galactic ties and relations at the time Earth needs allies most fars outweighs my problem by modest magnitudes.

[Sylvianus]

Thank you admiral, it's exatly what i think.

Yes, and the mission is a total success in the military area. Cerberus has been struck by lightning.

And Turians are my allies in my party, so I refuse to believe they see Alliance negatively. They have also extremists on their side (see info cerberus) and knows that it is not obvious. Cerberus is also their ennemy.

A common concern, common action.

A fruitful collaboration anti-corruption, anti-terrorist, anti-traitor.

Now yes, we can look at things practically, or politician. I prefer the light practice.

[AdmiralCheez]

Nashiktal wrote...

Actually cheez, if you go renegade humanity and the Turians are in the middle of a cold war.

The CDN is the same either way, and the fact remains that the Alliance's own forces were a no-go.  Goddamn moles.

PS: Gonna pay closer attention in my renegade run now to pick up on this.  Oh, political shenanigans, how I love thee...

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 19 avril 2011 - 08:20 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Jagri wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Considering the magnitude of the politcal sh*tstorm Anderson caused and his resignation, I suppose it may be presumed Shepard will have heard of it on the news, by the time of his own trial. So yeah, the first thing that needs to be on the dialogue wheel between Shepard and Anderson is:

"I hear you've been busy undermining my efforts, mister."

Anderson: "Undermining your efforts Shepard? Well I ain't trying to put a bullet in your head like your Cerberus pals. I do think getting your head blown off does a little more undermining then my actions don't you agree?"

Shepard: "It might have slipped your mind the last time, mister, but Cerberus was responsible for attaching my head back to a body in the first place."

[AdmiralCheez]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why does the US allow Karzai, who is incredibly corrupt, to stay president of Afghanistan? Why does the US allow a number of vocal, and prominent, anti-American clerics in Iraq to openly preach anti-american sentiments? Why did the US ever support murderous dictatorships in the Cold War?

Because the effects of a cure can outweigh a disease. When resolving a problem can create a worse problem, it's ultimately counterproductive to 'fix' it. Problems have priorities, and not all need to or should be done immediately.

That kind of BS thinking is the reason nobody's done anything about Cerberus.

And you know why the US did those things, right?  Oil money and fear of "teh ebul communists."  Same thing here: heavy investment in Cerberus in hopes of getting a technological edge and "teh ebul aliems."

Money, power, and paranoia.

PS: Sorry guys, my liberal is showing.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 19 avril 2011 - 08:21 .

[Nashiktal]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Thank you admiral, it's exatly what i think.

Yes, and the mission is a total success in the military area. Cerberus has been struck by lightning.

And Turians are my allies in my party, so I refuse to believe they see Alliance negatively. They have also extremists on their side (see info cerberus) and knows that it is not obvious. Cerberus is also their ennemy.

A common concern, common action.

A fruitful collaboration anti-corruption, anti-terrorist, anti-traitor.

Now yes, we can look at things practically, or politician. I prefer the light practice.

Well, Shepard, looking back, I can see where my actions would be at fault. I have further fractured humanities, and by extention, the galaxies front against a threat unlike any we have ever faced. In hindsight, I should be more concerned for the saftey of the galactic community as a whole instead of my petty vengance against the organization that hurt mine and my booty call's feelings.

Anderson: Buy hey, at least I got my girlfriend this time. 

[Jagri]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard: Nonsense. I would never be so arrogant to view myself as indispensible for saving the galaxy. Your damage to galactic ties and relations at the time Earth needs allies most fars outweighs my problem by modest magnitudes.

Anderson: "Just lie down then Shepard... A Cerberus hit squad should be coming for us both with the greater good in mind. That or accept my help and the research data I have aquired from Grayson's body."

This could go on quite a bit but face it Cerberus ties have been severed need to accept that and move on.  

Modifié par Jagri, 19 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[AdmiralCheez]

thurmanator692 wrote...

If you fight fire with a bigger fire, you just get twice as burned

I'm more of an advocate of putting the fires out, thanks.

PS to everyone: The economic, poilitical, and military might of the Turian Hierarchy > one well-informed guy with lots of money and a small army of mooks.

I don't mind buring one rickety old bridge if I get to put something bigger and more badass in its place.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 19 avril 2011 - 08:27 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Nashiktal wrote...

Anderson: Buy hey, at least I got my girlfriend this time. 

Shepard: she must be a real bomb, that one. I must check her out!

[Kahlee Sanders for LI in ME3!!!]

[PMC65]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Whatever happend to the common enemy being a uniting factor?

Only Shepard seems to get that ... Krogan, check. Quarian, check. Geth, check. Cerebus, check. Asari, check. Salarian, check. Crazy biotic ****, check. (Jack: "**** YOU!" ) You name it and my Shep will recruit it to fight the reapers.  

People like Anderson need to focus on defeating the reapers first ... Then we can all go back to hating and fighting with each other. Reapers win = everyone loses

Focus on the reapers, we can kill {insert group/aliens here} later.