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[jbadm04]

You should just abandon it NKKKK, its like talking to a stone wall.

Btw, having an unstable element within a realy dangerous situation is not going to pay well, and Cerberus is a very unstable, unpredictable element. ´Better to get rid of them. And saying Anderons endangered the Alliance by fighting Cerberus? This is just ridiculous, its far beyond idiocy sorry.

I should listen to my own hints, trying to talk sense into Cerb fanboy is just like trying to make a rock whine.

Modifié par jbadm04, 18 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[ExtremeOne]

jbadm04 wrote...

You should just abandon it NKKKK, its like talking to a stone wall.

Btw, having an unstable element within a realy dangerous situation is not going to pay well, and Cerberus is a very unstable, unpredictable element. ´Better to get rid of them. And saying Anderons endangered the Alliance by fighting Cerberus? This is just ridiculous, its far beyond idiocy sorry.

I should listen to my own hints, trying to talk sense into Cerb fanboy is just like trying to make a rock whine.

  


Its not better to get rid of them the right thing is for Bioware to do is allow us Pro Cerberus fans have a choice to side with Cerberus 

[jbblue05]

ANderson is an idiot and is a social pariah within the Alliance.

If you read Retribution you can easily come to the conclusion that the Alliance wants nothing to do with ANderson and Anderson knows he screwed up, ANderson knows he would be charged for treason and executed if he wasn't a decorated soldier or held a high-ranking position.

Justifying Anderson is just being narrow-minded. and selfish-righteousness.
Aderson weakened the Alliance and trust between the other races
Anderson was just a tool to the Turians.
The only people that benefit from what Anderson did is the Turians ad ANderson's selfish-righteousness.

If Bioware allows it I will kill him after hearing his illogical explanation for what he did. and than I will execuute that dumb-blonde Sanders in public hopefully   then I will brofist Kai Leng

Modifié par jbblue05, 18 avril 2011 - 09:58 .

[Tazzmission]

jbblue05 wrote...

ANderson is an idiot and is a social pariah within the Alliance.

If you read Retribution you can easily come to the conclusion that the Alliance wants nothing to do with ANderson and Anderson knows he screwed up, ANderson knows he would be charged for treason and executed if he wasn't a decorated soldier or held a high-ranking position.

Justifying Anderson is just being narrow-minded. and selfish-righteousness.
Aderson weakened the Alliance and trust between the other races
Anderson was just a tool to the Turians.
The only people that benefit from what Anderson did is the Turians ad ANderson's selfish-righteousness.

If Bioware allows it I will kill him after hearing his illogical explanation for what he did. and than I will execuute that dumb-blonde Sanders in public hopefully

anderson is 100% times better instead of the trapped in the closet kaiden...


anderson - military man and bad ass

kaiden- the clay aken for the year 2183


anderson- real military man


kaiden - whiney little biotic

anderson - council

kaiden - killed on virmire


do you understand now how anderson is a great charachter?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 18 avril 2011 - 10:00 .

[Quole]

Anderson could have killed Kai Leng when he had the chance. He didnt. So I hate him.

[AdmiralCheez]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware sealed My hatred for Anderson and the Alliance in the GI article when they said Cerberus would be after Shepard. I have no use for a bastard like Anderson in My ME 3 game.

Oh no!  The shifty guy that I really like betrayed me!  I'm going to take it out on the man that was loyal to me all along just because he's not as cool as the guy that betrayed me!

Pretty infantile, bro.  Just sayin'.

[Zulu_DFA]

Let's just get one thing straight (again).

Anderson did what he did solely for Kahlee's sake. I mean, he disliked Cerberus and that's outstanding by me, but had he been loyal to the Alliance, he would have sacrificed her whim of saving Grayson (which he was quite right to deem impossible anyway), and took a little more time to deliberate and not involve the power with which the Alliance had long been in "lingering animosity" with. But he just took a dump on the state interests of the Alliance, because of a damsel in distress.

If that's called "real military man", then I'm Elvis.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[PMC65]

I do not like Anderson based solely on the game ...
1) Too Emotional - Hatred for Saren clouded his judgement on the events unfolding, but worked to Shep's advantage. Would Anderson have climbed out on that limb if not for his feelings on Saren? He did not have a past with Shepard so where was his motivation to want to see Saren stopped?
Udina & Anderson seemed like Laurel & Hardy to me in front of the council in ME ... While the council appeared skeptical and had every right to be cautious you saw Anderson & Udina falling hook, line and sinker even before Tali arrived. Guys, Shepard had been zapped by some ancient "weapon of mass destruction", knocking him out for how long? Would you trust him solely on his word? Beacon bolt = "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
"Ah yes "sky" ...we have dismissed that claim."
2) ****ing & Moaning - Without going into ME, let's just look at ME2 when Shepard dies and loses two years + ship + crew + LI and upon his return you see Anderson complaining about his role in life ... really? Try dying moron! You were given a place on the council where you could make a huge difference for humanity. Waaaaaa! Talk about self-involved. "Oh, hi Shepard. So you lost two years? Woke up in a strange place, life as you know it stripped from you, lover is not in the picture, bank account empty, vehicle totaled, credit destroyed, wow. I envy you man. It has been so awful for me these last few years. Citadel, position of respect, lap dog Ud-i, office where I spend most of my time hanging over the balcony looking at the water wondering if there is fish in it. You had it easy Commander."
3) Screw Up & Ungrateful - Complains about the role that you nominated him for (he could have declined) then picks & chooses what part of his job he does and leaves the rest to Udina. Really? Shepard nominates you only to see that you complain on one hand about the job and on the other admit that you let Udina do part (ok, probably all) of your job? That explains why the Council asked why Udina wasn't at that meeting. Can you imagine if Shepard did that ... Conrad Verner in cheap piece of costume running & screaming from Geth while Shepard & Wrex are at Flux gambling with Asari hookers on their arms.
Those are my reasons that I do not care for Anderson. But I am sure that he has a lovely personality.

[oldag07]

Uh, Anderson risked his career and life to free the Normandy to allow Shepard to go to Ilos. I am not sure why Shepard would hate him.

[Quole]

ExtremeOne wrote...
Bioware sealed My hatred for Anderson and the Alliance in the GI article when they said Cerberus would be after Shepard. I have no use for a bastard like Anderson in My ME 3 game  

That would make you hate Anderson why........?

[oldag07]

PMC65 wrote...

I do not like Anderson based solely on the game ...
1) Too Emotional - Hatred for Saren clouded his judgement on the events unfolding, but worked to Shep's advantage. Would Anderson have climbed out on that limb if not for his feelings on Saren? He did not have a past with Shepard so where was his motivation to want to see Saren stopped?
Udina & Anderson seemed like Laurel & Hardy to me in front of the council in ME ... While the council appeared skeptical and had every right to be cautious you saw Anderson & Udina falling hook, line and sinker even before Tali arrived. Guys, Shepard had been zapped by some ancient "weapon of mass destruction", knocking him out for how long? Would you trust him solely on his word? Beacon bolt = "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
"Ah yes "sky" ...we have dismissed that claim."

Huh??  Anderson was one of the few people to actually thinks Saren was a threat.  He also freed the Normandy allowing shepard to go to Ilos.  Not sure why he is "too emotional"

2) ****ing & Moaning - Without going into ME, let's just look at ME2 when Shepard dies and loses two years + ship + crew + LI and upon his return you see Anderson complaining about his role in life ... really? Try dying moron! You were given a place on the council where you could make a huge difference for humanity. Waaaaaa! Talk about self-involved. "Oh, hi Shepard. So you lost two years? Woke up in a strange place, life as you know it stripped from you, lover is not in the picture, bank account empty, vehicle totaled, credit destroyed, wow. I envy you man. It has been so awful for me these last few years. Citadel, position of respect, lap dog Ud-i, office where I spend most of my time hanging over the balcony looking at the water wondering if there is fish in it. You had it easy Commander."

He isn't complaining.  He is honest.  Gosh politics is hard. just because someone is grumbling
doesn't mean he isn't grateful.  He is the politician who doesn't want
the power, but has it thrust upon him. Not some egomaniac who loves the
spotlight. In short the type of person we want in office.

3) Screw Up & Ungrateful - Complains about the role that you nominated him for (he could have declined) then picks & chooses what part of his job he does and leaves the rest to Udina. Really? Shepard nominates you only to see that you complain on one hand about the job and on the other admit that you let Udina do part (ok, probably all) of your job? That explains why the Council asked why Udina wasn't at that meeting. Can you imagine if Shepard did that ... Conrad Verner in cheap piece of costume running & screaming from Geth while Shepard & Wrex are at Flux gambling with Asari hookers on their arms.
Those are my reasons that I do not care for Anderson. But I am sure that he has a lovely personality.

Udina is a political animal.  He loves doing what he does.  All good leaders know how to delegate. 

As for why I like him:
Anderson sticks by his principles. He knows the reapers exist.  He expresses his views even though the rest of the council thinks he is an idiot.
He doesn't outright insult you when you first meet him.  Udina however. .. .
He allows you to talk to the council (if you save them) at the risk of the "political **** short" he could have got himself in.
As mentioned earlier, he risked everything to let you go to Ilos

Modifié par oldag07, 18 avril 2011 - 10:31 .

[Kingthlayer]

Anderson stans shouldn't be so emo because people don't like him. Not every person is going to like every character in a game. Anderson made some stupid decisions that effected the group all my Shepards are loyal to, and for that I'm obvious going to take the opportunity to kill him if it happens(it won't obviously, the lolparagons would cry if the option existed.)

[KnightofPhoenix]

I do not hate him, but the respect I once had for him was severely reduced. I most probably won't kill him though, it's not the time for petty revenge and bravado (much like he's done). Except in self-defense of course.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 avril 2011 - 10:48 .

[eldav]

Every time Andersson opend his mouth in ME1 made Shepards cause moore difficult.
First he appears in front of the Council dispite his earlier letdown and then he brought up evidence based upon Shepards dreams.
And i hate it when he is kissing Shepards ass, wich is every time he opens his mouth.

[PMC65]

oldag07 wrote... Huh??  Anderson was one of the few people to actually thinks Saren was a threat.  He also freed the Normandy allowing shepard to go to Ilos.  Not sure why he is "too emotional"

Response: He is too emotional because he let his feelings regarding Saren guide his decisions. It is also why he would be ineffective in getting Shepard off the Citadel without resorting to his "fists".

oldag07 wrote... He isn't complaining.  He is honest.  Gosh politics is hard. just because someone is grumbling
doesn't mean he isn't grateful.  He is the politician who doesn't want the power, but has it thrust upon him. Not some egomaniac who loves the spotlight. In short the type of person we want in office.

Response: The throne of a kingdom is thrust upon you through birth maybe but not a position on a council. He could have declined and let Udina or some other person take the position. My problem with the complaining is that given Shepard's recent two years of loss. Would you be complaining about your life to him at that moment? That is like a man complaining about his sore legs to a man with none. I wish that my Shepard would have had an option to pull a renegade on him.

oldag07 wrote... Udina is a political animal.  He loves doing what he does.  All good leaders know how to delegate.  

Response: There is delegating and then there is shirking your duties. I get the feeling by the Council interaction that they have no respect for him. Maybe Anderson doesn't know when to delegate and when to do it himself.
 
You have your reasons for liking him and I have my reasons for not liking him. No hard feelings!

[armass]

Who in the world hates that guy? He's awesome! How can you not love Keith David? *Fanboy mode off*

But seriously I like him, he's a good military man, willing to do what it takes. Good hearted, whole person, and he supports Shepard and is one of his closest friends. I can also see why he quit politics, he knows one of the most horrible secrets in the galaxy and like Shepard, no one seems to believe him, it's frustrating to see the threat swarming towards you and you can do little to nothing to stop it. That and all those shady deals and meetings really werent his cup of tea.

Modifié par armass, 18 avril 2011 - 11:14 .

[oldag07]

PMC65 wrote...
You have your reasons for liking him and I have my reasons for not liking him. No hard feelings!

True . . .though I find it very difficult to "dislike" someone who risked life and limb for you (for the third time Ilos).  The truest sign of friendship is if someone will stick by you when it isn't popular or expedient to do so.

[Bad King]

eldav wrote...

Every time Andersson opend his mouth in ME1 made Shepards cause moore difficult.
First he appears in front of the Council dispite his earlier letdown and then he brought up evidence based upon Shepards dreams.
And i hate it when he is kissing Shepards ass, wich is every time he opens his mouth.

Saren: I resent these accusations, Nihlus was a fellow spectre and a friend.

Anderson: That just let you catch him off guard!

Saren: Captain Anderson... you always seem to be involved when humanity makes false charges against me.

Shepard: <facepalm>

Anderson: There is still one outstanding issue, Commander Shepard's vision.

Saren: Are we allowing dreams into evidence now? How can I defend my innocence from this kind of testimony?!

Councillor Valern: I agree, our judgement must be based on facts and evidence, not wild imaginings and reckless speculation.

Shepard: <double facepalm>

Anderson tried his best and I appreciate what he tried to do, but I agree with Udina that bringing him to the hearing against Saren was not the best idea.

[KnightofPhoenix]

eldav wrote...
And i hate it when he is kissing Shepards ass, wich is every time he opens his mouth.

Indeed, I dislike the Udina / Anderson / Shepard dynamic, where you have one who completely believes everything you say for no reason, and the other who thinks you're an idiot. A bit more nuance could have been added.

Anderson expressing doubt and requiring a bit more effort to convince, would have made a more convincing character.

[NKKKK]

You have your reasons for liking him and I have my reasons for not liking him. No hard feelings!

Sure, no problem at all.

[Seboist]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

eldav wrote...
And i hate it when he is kissing Shepards ass, wich is every time he opens his mouth.

Indeed, I dislike the Udina / Anderson / Shepard dynamic, where you have one who completely believes everything you say for no reason, and the other who thinks you're an idiot. A bit more nuance could have been added.

Anderson expressing doubt and requiring a bit more effort to convince, would have made a more convincing character.

Shepard: "Hey Captain I know Saren is working on destroying the Galaxy"

Anderson: "What do you base this on?"

Shepard: "A vision"

Anderson "oh okay, that's good enough for me"


What's more strange is that Udina believes Shepard out of nowhere. With Anderson you can argue he's a trusted old friend of Shepard's but Udina?

[Manic Sheep]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

eldav wrote...
And i hate it when he is kissing Shepards ass, wich is every time he opens his mouth.

Indeed, I dislike the Udina / Anderson / Shepard dynamic, where you have one who completely believes everything you say for no reason, and the other who thinks you're an idiot. A bit more nuance could have been added.

Anderson expressing doubt and requiring a bit more effort to convince, would have made a more convincing character.

I agree. I like Anderson well enough (haven’t read the books tho) but he seems to just go with everything Shepards says right off the bat. Especially after Eden prime. I mean, I know he doesn’t like Saren but he believes it was Saren far too early with no real evidence. He believes Shepards vision is from the beacon without ever bring up any other possibilities and as far as I can recall never expresses any doubt at the reaper theory.
I always thought Anderson came across as too agreeable where as Udina just came across as a thick headed ****. I think it would have been better had Anderson been a bit harder to convince or at least taken a moment to take a step back and think about things and offer up some counter arguments and if Udina actualy came across as good at his job.  Anderson says he is but the council doesn’t seem to respect him at all and he always screams at them like an idiot. "this is an OUTRAGE!!"

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 18 avril 2011 - 11:40 .

[ExtremeOne]

Quole wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
Bioware sealed My hatred for Anderson and the Alliance in the GI article when they said Cerberus would be after Shepard. I have no use for a bastard like Anderson in My ME 3 game  

That would make you hate Anderson why........?

  



I hated Anderson already for him spying on My Shepard in Mass Effect 2 and there was no real way for me to get even for it. but after reading the GI article I hate him even more and I outright hate  the Alliance even worse.