Anderson is a good guy, but that does not mean he is not foolish. He attacked the one group that was taking action against the Reapers, just to make his LI happy. I would have been fine with Anderson going after Cerberus, if he didin't do it when they were preparing for the Reapers invasion. Thats just dumb. His recklessness released a Reaper avatar into the galaxy, almost killing an entire space station full of biotic children. Also about his saving the kid at the end of the book, he wanted to kill Kai instead, but since Kahlee was yelling at him to help stop the kids wound (Kahlee was also his LI) he chose to help the kid, but not after shooting Kai in the legs. He may be Paragon, but that is not excuse for stupidity.
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#77
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 01:49
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Gabey5 wrote...
illusive man dick riders mostly hate him
Anderson dick riders mostly hate TIM.
Anderson was annoying in ME1 with his constant hard-on for Shepard after Retributio he is too idiotic and dangerous to let live.
#78
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 01:53
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Gabey5 wrote...
illusive man dick riders mostly hate him
dam right we do he is a worthless piece of Alliance garbage
#79
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 01:57
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He is not a worthless piece of bantha poodoo. Just say, If Shepard can make him to change his mind about a lot of things.
Tim is cool.
Tim is cool.
#80
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 02:03
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I personally think that Harbinger is better than both those puny human wastrels.
They fight the inevitable like fools and will die in vain.
They fight the inevitable like fools and will die in vain.
#81
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 02:07
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Gabey5 wrote...
illusive man dick riders mostly hate him
Quite a vivid description there of my femshep's relationship with her future husband and Anderson.
#82
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:44
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First of all I LIKE Anderson. In fact, that is why his betrayal hurt so much. He takes everything humanity and shep worked for to get him into the council... and throws it all away. (Its not QUITE as bad if he isn't a council member, however the books are canon either way. No matter what Anderson quites his official job, council or not)
So shep does everything in the first game to save the galaxy from the reapers. As a result shep is allowed to choose someone to put on the council. This someone would likely be the one to lead the council when the reapers hit, and facilitate/concentrate the citadel powers toward such a goal. So shep puts anderson on the council... the *vanguard* against the reapers if you will, and he just tosses all that aside to get some tail.
That alone would hurt, but in the process Anderson manages to weaken the Alliances position politically, weaken Cerberus who is the only one with any sort of "ready to use" power to use against the reapers, and then RESIGNS from... Well anything revelent to helping fight the reapers.
Did he potentially save the day? Yes. Accidentally. He went in to help his girlfriend save a friend from cerberus, not fight a reaper construct. We have the power of hindsight to justify his actions, Anderson did not. For all the good he did, he did so for the wrong reasons.
As a result, I feel betrayed by Anderson. The guy who seemed like Shep's father figure, the one guy who believed you about the reapers since the beginning, and potentially the biggest ally shep had.
Now who does shep have left? At the end of ME2, he has Hackette, and potentially cerberus. Neither of who has any power to help you in 3, at least in the beginning. (And as for cerberus, well you know how that goes in 3.)
So shep does everything in the first game to save the galaxy from the reapers. As a result shep is allowed to choose someone to put on the council. This someone would likely be the one to lead the council when the reapers hit, and facilitate/concentrate the citadel powers toward such a goal. So shep puts anderson on the council... the *vanguard* against the reapers if you will, and he just tosses all that aside to get some tail.
That alone would hurt, but in the process Anderson manages to weaken the Alliances position politically, weaken Cerberus who is the only one with any sort of "ready to use" power to use against the reapers, and then RESIGNS from... Well anything revelent to helping fight the reapers.
Did he potentially save the day? Yes. Accidentally. He went in to help his girlfriend save a friend from cerberus, not fight a reaper construct. We have the power of hindsight to justify his actions, Anderson did not. For all the good he did, he did so for the wrong reasons.
As a result, I feel betrayed by Anderson. The guy who seemed like Shep's father figure, the one guy who believed you about the reapers since the beginning, and potentially the biggest ally shep had.
Now who does shep have left? At the end of ME2, he has Hackette, and potentially cerberus. Neither of who has any power to help you in 3, at least in the beginning. (And as for cerberus, well you know how that goes in 3.)
#83
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:46
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Just so you know, this is why the books are dumb.
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:48
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Even after all this time, I still don't get how even a Cerbie could honestly see Anderson as a threat or a traitor...
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:51
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Just so you know, this is why the books are dumb.
Why can't the books stay away from the core characters? Do some fun things on alien worlds, or give us a picture on colony life, or even on earth.... That would be much cooler, and would avoid messing with us in game.
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:52
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If hes a wothless peice of garbage, then what does that make TIM?ExtremeOne wrote...
Gabey5 wrote...
illusive man dick riders mostly hate him
dam right we do he is a worthless piece of Alliance garbage
#87
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:53
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Quole wrote...
If hes a wothless peice of garbage, then what does that make TIM?ExtremeOne wrote...
Gabey5 wrote...
illusive man dick riders mostly hate him
dam right we do he is a worthless piece of Alliance garbage
Savior of humanity.
#88
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:54
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One would think even the hardest of hearts would melt before his big puppy eyes and creepy potato-turtle face...Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Even after all this time, I still don't get how even a Cerbie could honestly see Anderson as a threat or a traitor...
Seriously, he's a cool guy. He may keep a few secrets, but he never lies, and he always backs Shepard up when no one else will. That's not butt-kissing, that's bro4life.
Kahlee Sanders does not exist.
#89
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:54
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Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Even after all this time, I still don't get how even a Cerbie could honestly see Anderson as a threat or a traitor...
Imagine a Canadian general, who represents no one but himself and has no command, requests American military assistance to destroy a Quebecer secessionist group (one of the few groups who actually knows about a greater threat coming soon and is doing something about it), for the sake of a girl. Note, that the group never targetted the USA.
That may not be treason, though we can discuss the technicality all day. That action however is incredibly imprudent politically. Not only does it make the Alliance look weak, but it severily cripples one of the few organizations that knows about the Reapers (the Turians don't). And it threatens to weaken the alliance from within considering how tied it is to Cerberus (things like the Normandy project and allied corporations, which Cerberus provides whether the higher echelons of the Alliance know it or not).
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:54
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Mainly because the books are introductions and extrapolations of what happens in the games; they're there to complement, not to convolute.Nashiktal wrote...
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Just so you know, this is why the books are dumb.
Why can't the books stay away from the core characters? Do some fun things on alien worlds, or give us a picture on colony life, or even on earth.... That would be much cooler, and would avoid messing with us in game.
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:55
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If hes a wothless peice of garbage, then what does that make TIM?
A parasite that thinks it is superior.
#92
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:56
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No kidding.Nashiktal wrote...
Why can't the books stay away from the core characters? Do some fun things on alien worlds, or give us a picture on colony life, or even on earth.... That would be much cooler, and would avoid messing with us in game.
You hear that, Mac? Drew? Both of you yucks, cut it out!
#93
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 03:57
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xzxzxz701 wrote...
Anderson is a good guy, but that does not mean he is not foolish. He attacked the one group that was taking action against the Reapers, just to make his LI happy. I would have been fine with Anderson going after Cerberus, if he didin't do it when they were preparing for the Reapers invasion. Thats just dumb. His recklessness released a Reaper avatar into the galaxy, almost killing an entire space station full of biotic children. Also about his saving the kid at the end of the book, he wanted to kill Kai instead, but since Kahlee was yelling at him to help stop the kids wound (Kahlee was also his LI) he chose to help the kid, but not after shooting Kai in the legs. He may be Paragon, but that is not excuse for stupidity.
The lack of a theory of mind in this statement is mindboggling. Anderson did not know that Grayson had Reaper tech in him. The Turians might not have even believed that Reapers existed, and thus didn't even think of him as a threat. They made a decision based on imperfect information to achieve an justifiable objective. That is life.
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 04:00
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But to be honest, Cerberus did bring this upon themselves by going after Grayson and doing what they did to him. Even with the best of intentions (which I severely doubt), TIM is not free of any blame here.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Even after all this time, I still don't get how even a Cerbie could honestly see Anderson as a threat or a traitor...
Imagine a Canadian general, who represents no one but himself and has no command, requests American military assistance to destroy a Quebecer secessionist group (one of the few groups who actually knows about a greater threat coming soon and is doing something about it), for the sake of a girl. Note, that the group never targetted the USA.
That may not be treason, though we can discuss the technicality all day. That action however is incredibly imprudent politically. Not only does it make the Alliance look weak, but it severily cripples one of the few organizations that knows about the Reapers (the Turians don't). And it threatens to weaken the alliance from within considering how tied it is to Cerberus (things like the Normandy project and allied corporations, which Cerberus provides whether the higher echelons of the Alliance know it or not).
All in all, though, Keith Savid was right all along:
"Were it so easy."
#95
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 04:03
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Haters are allowed to hate on whatever they may choose to hate even if they may be wrong in placing hate at said person/object/thing.
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 04:06
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Kaiser Shepard wrote...
But to be honest, Cerberus did bring this upon themselves by going after Grayson and doing what they did to him. Even with the best of intentions (which I severely doubt), TIM is not free of any blame here.
He may or may not. I think he'd be the first to say he is not a saint.
But if Cerberus has to be punished, that punishment must be brought prudently and when the time is right. Now is not the time. And by the right hand (the alliance). If anyone but the Alliance deals with Cerberus, humanity's political standing would be greatly weakened. Aliens would boast that humans can't take care of their problems and that they have to do with for them. It's a breach of sovereignity and political ammunition for potential enemies of human interests. Especially since Cerberus, as of yet, is not targetting aliens, minus the Quarian incident (even though the Quarians were not the target) but the flotilla itself didn't seem to try to punish it (and technically, they are not a Citadel race).
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 04:06
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Nashiktal wrote...
Did he potentially save the day? Yes. Accidentally. He went in to help his girlfriend save a friend from cerberus, not fight a reaper construct. We have the power of hindsight to justify his actions, Anderson did not. For all the good he did, he did so for the wrong reasons.
As much as I hate to admit it (Anderson fanperson here), this is a correct assessment of what went down.
And what annoys me is that Karpyshyn could have easily written in some "right" reasons for Anderson to take the extreme measure of involving the Turians. Or he could have just not included the Turians at all. Blerg.
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Posté 19 avril 2011 - 04:15
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no, they arent.Elite Midget wrote...
Haters are allowed to hate on whatever they may choose to hate even if they may be wrong in placing hate at said person/object/thing.
#99
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 05:09
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Marta Rio wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
Did he potentially save the day? Yes. Accidentally. He went in to help his girlfriend save a friend from cerberus, not fight a reaper construct. We have the power of hindsight to justify his actions, Anderson did not. For all the good he did, he did so for the wrong reasons.
As much as I hate to admit it (Anderson fanperson here), this is a correct assessment of what went down.
And what annoys me is that Karpyshyn could have easily written in some "right" reasons for Anderson to take the extreme measure of involving the Turians. Or he could have just not included the Turians at all. Blerg.
Grrr. Mass Effect is starting to feel the opposite of star wars in this regard. Mass Effects expanded universe, whether in comics or books seem to do more harm than good.
#100
Posté 19 avril 2011 - 05:17
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Quole wrote...
no, they arent.
Who isn't? The haters or the haters of said haters? Isn't it obvious that my statement can be taken both ways? I for one find it a mockery to art of debate. Who cares what one hates or who hates what? In the end this is the internet and it matters little.
You should take note from my example. Perhaps you may learn something that may aid you in the future.
