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[AdmiralCheez]

Elite Midget wrote...

Who isn't? The haters or the haters of said haters? Isn't it obvious that my statement can be taken both ways? I for one find it a mockery to art of debate. Who cares what one hates or who hates what? In the end this is the internet and it matters little.

You should take note from my example. Perhaps you may learn something that may aid you in the future.

*gigglesnort*

[Dave666]

Seboist wrote...

Quole wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

illusive man dick riders mostly hate him

  



dam right we do he is a worthless piece of Alliance garbage 

If hes a wothless peice of garbage, then what does that make TIM?

Savior of humanity.

Unless you're that part of Humanity that includes:

Biotic kids (they're free to be slaughtered, tortured and otherwise killed).

The Pope (The Incompetent Man felt it was fine to assasinate him).

Alliance Marines (The Incompetent Man felt that it was fine to lure them into a Thresher Maw's nest).

Admiral Kahoku (The Incompetent Man felt that after slaughtering Kahoku's Marines, see above, it would also be fun to kill Kahoku).

Commander Shepard (Sole Surviver background, The Incompetent Man lured a Thresher Maw towards a peaceful HUMAN colony where it promptly killed nearly everyone.  Only two survivors, Commander Shepard and Corporal Tooms). 

Corporal Tooms (After surviving that horrendous Thresher Maw attack he was then captured by Cerberus and injected with Thresher Maw Venom, causing excruciating pain).

So yeah....

Saviour of Humanity?

Modifié par Dave666, 19 avril 2011 - 05:31 .

[Dave666]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Who isn't? The haters or the haters of said haters? Isn't it obvious that my statement can be taken both ways? I for one find it a mockery to art of debate. Who cares what one hates or who hates what? In the end this is the internet and it matters little.

You should take note from my example. Perhaps you may learn something that may aid you in the future.

*gigglesnort*

Indeed Cheez, that made me laugh quite a bit. 

[Elite Midget]

Your laughter wasen't intended but I wont stop you. Clearly you've learned of the folly of the past and have learned to embrace the change that I bring about my person. Still, I must say I'm touched by such approval of my ways over the discarded ones of the past.

[Pwener2313]

We moved from thread, how did I not get the memo!?

*waves insultingly to Midget*

[Dave666]

Pwener2313 wrote...

We moved from thread, how did I not get the memo!?

*waves insultingly to Midget*

You know what the amusing thing was?  I litterally just funished reading through that thread and clicked back on this one and...

lol

[Harmless Crunch]

I dont care what lies you tell yourselves but its a well known fact that Keith David's voice is made of win.
@Cheez
Yes!
Give me a story about a STG mission or something than another book about Cerbures!...

[Golden Owl]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Even after all this time, I still don't get how even a Cerbie could honestly see Anderson as a threat or a traitor...

Imagine a Canadian general, who represents no one but himself and has no command, requests American military assistance to destroy a Quebecer secessionist group (one of the few groups who actually knows about a greater threat coming soon and is doing something about it), for the sake of a girl. Note, that the group never targetted the USA.

That may not be treason, though we can discuss the technicality all day. That action however is incredibly imprudent politically. Not only does it make the Alliance look weak, but it severily cripples one of the few organizations that knows about the Reapers (the Turians don't). And it threatens to weaken the alliance from within considering how tied it is to Cerberus (things like the Normandy project and allied corporations, which Cerberus provides whether the higher echelons of the Alliance know it or not).

But to be honest, Cerberus did bring this upon themselves by going after Grayson and doing what they did to him. Even with the best of intentions (which I severely doubt), TIM is not free of any blame here.

All in all, though, Keith Savid was right all along:


"Were it so easy."

Where did you get that armor?? That is just awesome.

[Lapis Lazuli]

Harmless Crunch wrote...

I dont care what lies you tell yourselves but its a well known fact that Keith David's voice is made of win.
.

this

[CroGamer002]

Seboist wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Lol well when you bring Love into it...

Jack Harper brought my femshep back from the grave, can't get anymore romantic than that.

You find necrophilia romantic?

OK I guess.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

^necroparty time:devil:

[Zeratul20]

NKKKK wrote...

First off, most of you aren't in the military, I think you should stop waving capital offence like it's your dong. I''m in the military, and I''m pretty sure saving the world over the interests of your country goes beyond what a soldier is trained to do.
Second, who are you pathetic humans to judge the actions of one man, maybe there are things a bit bigger than the Alliance and Cerberus at stake here. So you're whole Cerberus/Alliance fanboyism is really just beyond silly. 
Anderson isn't Shepard, he doesn't know what Cerberus has done except for the bad things, If i was in his positon, I would have done the same thing.
Thirdly, at the end of the novel he saved a boy's life in a paragon interrupt, so quit it with you're whole wishing death upon him like some jihadists.

Anderson won't betray you, Udina has and probably will again and Jack Harper will too. 

1. It's a game and thus, a fictional character. Don't get so worked up over this.
2. "Capital offence" is not a military term. This merely means that the crime is so heinous, that it is punishable by death. Hence: "capital", as derived from "capita". The military has nothing to do with it.
3. I'm glad you changed "pathetic nerds" to "pathetic humans", but still, auch, man. Again, it's just a fictional character. Cerberus/Alliance = fictional, as well. Yes, the fanboyism's silly, but you're doing the exact same thing... (And you're actually propagating the stereotype of the "military nerd" quite well. No offence intended, but I'm just trying to say that you're doing the same thing.)
4. Never read the novel, don't know Jack Harper, etc.

Just... Calm down, okay? Relax.

[CroGamer002]

Tazzmission wrote...


anderson is 100% times better instead of the trapped in the closet kaiden...


anderson - military man and bad ass

kaiden- the clay aken for the year 2183


anderson- real military man


kaiden - whiney little biotic

anderson - council

kaiden - killed on virmire


do you understand now how anderson is a great charachter?

If I never played Mass Effect I wouldn't understand.

[CroGamer002]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

^necroparty time:devil:

This was made yesterday.

[CroGamer002]

Quole wrote...

Anderson could have killed Kai Leng when he had the chance. He didnt. So I hate him.

That's great thing.

My Shepard will kill him!

[Bluko]

How can anyone hate Anderson? What'd he do that was so terrible in the Novels other then mess with Cerberus?

This is a man who recommended you to the Spectres. He gave you plenty of helpful advice on tracking evidence for Saren. He gives you his own damn ship. He then risks his life/career to free the Normandy. The dude will literally take a bullet for you. He's one of the few people that actually realizes the Reapers are real.

I don't get it. If Anderson isn't Shepard's friend, no one is.

[Dean_the_Young]

Gabey5 wrote...

illusive man dick riders mostly hate him

Yes, let's resort to homophobic slurs in this argument. That can never go wrong.

[Randy1012]

Mesina2 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Anderson could have killed Kai Leng when he had the chance. He didnt. So I hate him.

That's great thing.

My Shepard will kill him!

Exactly. Anderson could have killed Kai Leng, but he didn't want to ****** off Shepard. He knows Shepard would want to do it himself.

That's why Anderson is awesome.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave666 wrote...


Unless you're that part of Humanity that includes:

Biotic kids (they're free to be slaughtered, tortured and otherwise killed).

The Pope (The Incompetent Man felt it was fine to assasinate him).

Alliance Marines (The Incompetent Man felt that it was fine to lure them into a Thresher Maw's nest).

Admiral Kahoku (The Incompetent Man felt that after slaughtering Kahoku's Marines, see above, it would also be fun to kill Kahoku).

Commander Shepard (Sole Surviver background, The Incompetent Man lured a Thresher Maw towards a peaceful HUMAN colony where it promptly killed nearly everyone.  Only two survivors, Commander Shepard and Corporal Tooms). 

Corporal Tooms (After surviving that horrendous Thresher Maw attack he was then captured by Cerberus and injected with Thresher Maw Venom, causing excruciating pain).

So yeah....

Saviour of Humanity?

You mean the rounding error fraction of humanity that is outweighed in magnitudes by the relief of Horizon alone?

This is like saying Shepard can't be the savior of the galaxy, because he/she spends all that free time killing humans and aliens and blowing **** up.

[jbadm04]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Let's just get one thing straight (again).

Anderson did what he did solely for Kahlee's sake. I mean, he disliked Cerberus and that's outstanding by me, but had he been loyal to the Alliance, he would have sacrificed her whim of saving Grayson (which he was quite right to deem impossible anyway), and took a little more time to deliberate and not involve the power with which the Alliance had long been in "lingering animosity" with. But he just took a dump on the state interests of the Alliance, because of a damsel in distress.

If that's called "real military man", then I'm Elvis.

An assumption I do not agree with. Kahlees friend is in danger and she pretty much know Cerberus is going to torture him. She goes to the only person she can trust and she knows may be able to help. Anderson would help on that ANYONE and not just Kahlee, so much anyone should get about Andersons personality from the game and the novels. This "damsel in distress" theory is just ridiculous.

[GuardianAngel470]

Bluko wrote...

How can anyone hate Anderson? What'd he do that was so terrible in the Novels other then mess with Cerberus?

This is a man who recommended you to the Spectres. He gave you plenty of helpful advice on tracking evidence for Saren. He gives you his own damn ship. He then risks his life/career to free the Normandy. The dude will literally take a bullet for you. He's one of the few people that actually realizes the Reapers are real.

I don't get it. If Anderson isn't Shepard's friend, no one is.

I feel the same way. I mean really, Anderson has done a heck of a lot for the galaxy and humanity. If not for Anderson, none of TIM's ONLY beneficial actions would have happened because the Reapers would already have invaded and killed everybody (Well, started to anyway).

Also, it's not like Anderson set out in Retribution with the intention of screwing with Cerberus. He responded to a distressed call from Sanders and then acted on the new information. If he's guilty of anything (Which I don't think he is) it's simple poor decision making.

He made a snap decision to inform the turians and then dealt with the consequences.

[Zulu_DFA]

jbadm04 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Let's just get one thing straight (again).

Anderson did what he did solely for Kahlee's sake. I mean, he disliked Cerberus and that's outstanding by me, but had he been loyal to the Alliance, he would have sacrificed her whim of saving Grayson (which he was quite right to deem impossible anyway), and took a little more time to deliberate and not involve the power with which the Alliance had long been in "lingering animosity" with. But he just took a dump on the state interests of the Alliance, because of a damsel in distress.
If that's called "real military man", then I'm Elvis.

An assumption I do not agree with. Kahlees friend is in danger and she pretty much know Cerberus is going to torture him. She goes to the only person she can trust and she knows may be able to help. Anderson would help on that ANYONE and not just Kahlee, so much anyone should get about Andersons personality from the game and the novels. This "damsel in distress" theory is just ridiculous.

Damsel or not, he sold out the Alliance over a personal concern. Which kind of concern was that: money, love, pure stupidity, revenge, self-righteousness, is irrelevant. Anderson is a traitor.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 avril 2011 - 09:32 .

[Dave666]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dave666 wrote...


Unless you're that part of Humanity that includes:

Biotic kids (they're free to be slaughtered, tortured and otherwise killed).

The Pope (The Incompetent Man felt it was fine to assasinate him).

Alliance Marines (The Incompetent Man felt that it was fine to lure them into a Thresher Maw's nest).

Admiral Kahoku (The Incompetent Man felt that after slaughtering Kahoku's Marines, see above, it would also be fun to kill Kahoku).

Commander Shepard (Sole Surviver background, The Incompetent Man lured a Thresher Maw towards a peaceful HUMAN colony where it promptly killed nearly everyone.  Only two survivors, Commander Shepard and Corporal Tooms). 

Corporal Tooms (After surviving that horrendous Thresher Maw attack he was then captured by Cerberus and injected with Thresher Maw Venom, causing excruciating pain).

So yeah....

Saviour of Humanity?

You mean the rounding error fraction of humanity that is outweighed in magnitudes by the relief of Horizon alone?

This is like saying Shepard can't be the savior of the galaxy, because he/she spends all that free time killing humans and aliens and blowing **** up.

You mean the attack on Horizon that happened because The Incompetent Man spread it about that Shep would be there?  I'll grant you that the attacks would have taken place somewhere else, but how do we know that it wouldn't have been a much smaller colony.  I just honestly can't understand people who support Cerberus. They're a bunch of terrorists, if they hadn't done all of those things I listed above (and there were many more that I didn't list) and they then decided to help Shepard with the Collector Threat then I would be all for them, but I simply cannot condone their past actions and say that well, they helped Shep out so their past doesn't matter.

Your last bit is just plain silly and you know it.  With the exception of the events of Arrival, when does Shepard even come close to Cerberus?

[Fiery Phoenix]

I will agree with Zulu that such an act is considered betrayal in military terms. That's basically why Garrus was after Sidonis.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave666 wrote...


You mean the attack on Horizon that happened because The Incompetent Man spread it about that Shep would be there?  I'll grant you that the attacks would have taken place somewhere else, but how do we know that it wouldn't have been a much smaller colony.

Or larger. But it wouldn't have been just 'a' colony: without the ability to predict and pre-empt, it would have been many colonies, of whatever size, with no realistic hope of pre-emption, until it got back to Horizon. At which point you're back to where you started, only without, you know, being in a position to save half the colony unless you do the same thing you avoided.

Horizon was choosing a battlefield, and while it certainly does suck to be living on Battlefield chosen, a battle is rather necessary to beat an enemy.

 I just honestly can't understand people who support Cerberus. They're a bunch of terrorists,

They aren't by any classical meaning of the word. They're more of a cabal.

if they hadn't done all of those things I listed above (and there were many more that I didn't list) and they then decided to help Shepard with the Collector Threat then I would be all for them, but I simply cannot condone their past actions and say that well, they helped Shep out so their past doesn't matter.

You don't need to condone their past actions to work with them for now.

Your last bit is just plain silly and you know it. 

It's actually pretty accurate: you're confusing saving a group with being mutually exclusive to not doing any harm to that group, when doing harm can often result in overall betterment. We can look at this for militaries, in which losing people is a necessary cost for achieving objectives, we can look at this in terms of economies where letting some people get screwed can open greater economic opportunities, we can look at this in science where we're still testing products on animals, we can see this in politics were compromise for a deal often means that someone in particular loses out.

With the exception of the events of Arrival, when does Shepard even come close to Cerberus?

Quite often, and even in excess. Shepard can kill 50+ people units a mission. Shepard can commit more genocide than Cerberus has ever had its hands with. The only acts of known Cerberus nuclear usage are by Shepard's hands. Shepard does take part in the assassination of political figures (Nassana Dantius), and Shepard gotten far more Alliance soldiers or Aliens killed (the Council decision) than Cerberus has ever dreamed of.