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[AreleX]

i actually have a video of the finished archer build, i just have neglected to upload it. i will if you want to see it, but i'm not making a whole other guide for it

[ref]

Great guide!

Edited by Refara, 24 October 2011 - 09:36 AM.

[AreleX]

thank you, my dear

[SuicidalBaby]

bump

[punkgamer01]

 Arelex, sorry for the double post but i think you make a little error on setting the CCC wiith varric and anders for the walking bomb setup : 
 
on anders : 
ennemy status desoriented : walking bomb 
ennemy status desoriented : glyph of paralysis

on varric : 

ennemy status desoriented : fatiguing fog 


but how could the tactic on varric work if he is the only character in this party whose actually can desorient a target =/

it make more sense to do like this : 

on varric : 
ennemy clustered with a least three ennemies : fatiguing fog

THEN anders tactic will trigger EACH time 3 ennemies are clustured.

p-s : personnally i prefer set up varric to use fatiguing fog on paralysed target instead of desorient and let ander paralysed them when they are clustured and only when they are desoriented anders use walking bomb. but that's your build so i will not argue on that =-)

[SuicidalBaby]

no it's paralyzed. just a typo. Arelex is fairly notorious for those.

[punkgamer01]

 and for anders ? 

how can he paralyse a target wich status is non-existant ? 

he set the glyph of paralysis on desoriented target, but here's no desoriented target ^^' because varic is set to drop fatiguing fog on paralysed target...

don't it make sense to set the glyph of paralysis on clustered target instead of non-existant-desoriented target ? 

sorry if i repeat myself (i am french canadian, my english not so bad, though not perfect ^^')

[RurouniSaiya-jin]

Could be a typo. He lists them correctly in the tactics above those ones though. The proper condition for Glyph of Paralysis is "Enemy: Clustered with 2 enemies". Could also not be a typo since an upgraded pinning shot will also disorient a target. Probably a typo though.

[ChanceC5]

I know this was posted a year ago but I just been playing DA:2 for 2 weeks and this was a BIG help. Thank you so much for posting this.

[athosethik]

RurouniSaiya-jin wrote...

Could be a typo. He lists them correctly in the tactics above those ones though. The proper condition for Glyph of Paralysis is "Enemy: Clustered with 2 enemies". Could also not be a typo since an upgraded pinning shot will also disorient a target. Probably a typo though.

It isnt a typo.

1. Varric pins and disorients a boss/elite with low hp 
2. Varric brands it
3. Anders cast walking bomb and paralyzes the boss/elite
4. Varric uses fatiguing fog to slow the boss bomb down and re-disorient it for spirit bolt/cc
5. Anders casts haste then spirit bolts the boss bomb for extra disorient dmg
If its still alive
6. Varric uses kickback 
7. Anders uses winters grasp making the boss bomb frozen and brittle
8. Varric uses bursting arrow for extra brittle dmg

It's pretty clever.  With the walking bomb upgrades you should kill it instantly or pretty quickly at least. 

[Murloc Knight]

What were you wearing in that legacy video?

[xraptorx]

 Why not use the following for Team red mist

Team Red Mist (Anders/Sebastian or Varric/Aveline or Fenris)

Anders - healer
Varric - Rogue / Archer
Aveline - Tank
Hawke - Pure Mage

I am not sure what Fenris would give to the combo, but thought with the group of anders, varric and aveline I am covered for it all

[Finchtastic]

Double bump this thread!!

[samulin85]

 








Hey man, thank you for the guide... juts started da2 again and about to fight the rock wraith in the deep rooads with a 3 mage party...

your friend mr_afk mentionend you se here I am...


So far I've been using this set-up... on level hard... no cassualties and only 1 potion used...

but there is always room for improvement , and I would love to have the perfect party for futher in the game...

i do have all the dlc and i'm playing on ps3 ...













Current party builds are:




Hawke: Mage     Level 11


strength 10


dex 10


magic 48


cun 11


will 14


con 11








Abilities 


wintersgrasp + upgrade


cone of cold


heal


heroic aura + upgrade 


haste + upgrade


telekinetic burst


pull of the abyss


gravitic ring


fist of the maker




Tactics :


Self: any = atctivate heroic aura


self: at least one enemy is alive = haste


self: health <25% = heal


enemy: target rank is Elite or higher = winter's grasp


enemy: clustered with at least three enemies = pull of the abyss


enemy: clustered with at least three enemies = gravictic ring






Inventory


Staff of the prima order 
http://dragonage.wik...he_Primal_Order


the helm of marterel


the gloves of the winter crossing


robes of the pretender + rune of fortune


orlesian silk boots 


the irons


arlathan focusing crystal


ring of the minor canrips


ring of the magister


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Anders level 11




10 strength 



10 dex



30 magic



11 cunning



27 willpower



10 con





Abillaties 



winters grasp





all in the creation tree incl. upgrades



eye to eye







Tactics 





self: any = activate heroic aura



enemy: at least on is alive = haste



enemy clustered with at least three enemies = glyph of paralysis



ally: health < 50% = heal



self : <50 = heal



enemy: any winters grasp



hawke: being attacked by ranged attack = haste



self: surrounded by at least two enemies  =glyph of repulsion



self: health <50% = deactivate heroic aura



self: health >50% = activate heroic aura



enemy: target rank normal or higher = glyph of paralysis









Inventory



chanter's staff



Renegade's coat



visionary's girdle



ring of he awakened



gallows slave finger-cuffs 2x





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Merril level 11







strenght 15



dex 16



mag 30



cun 16



will 18



con 35









Abilties 



winters grasp



rock armor



chain lightning + upgrade



tempest + upgrade



solidarity 



blood of the first



wounds of the past



wrath of the elven + upgrade



ensare







Tactics 



enemy: clustered with at least three enemies = chain lightning 



enemy: at least one enemy is alive = activate: rock armor



enemy: clustured with at least four enemies = tempest



enemy: at least one enemy is alive = activate wrath of the elven



self: surrounded by at least two enemies = ensare



enemy: traget rank is elite or higher = winters grasp



enemy: using magic attack = wounds of the past



ally: being attacked by meele or magic attack = wounds of the past



self: health >50% = activate blood of the first



self: health < 50% = deactivate blood of the first



enemy: any = winters grasp







Inventory



Malcomlm's Honor



Vestments of the first



sturdy belt



sylaise's favor



air of confidence



the inner eye



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Varrick Level 11









strength 12



dex 28



magic 11



cunning 11



will 12



con 13









Abilities 







bursting arrow + upgrade



pinning shot + upgrade



acher's lance



hail of arrows + upgrade



speed



blindside



authorized biograper



rhyming triplet



bianca's song









tactics





enemy: at least one is alive = activate speed



self: any = activate bianca's song



enemy: target rank is elite or higher = pinning shot



enemy: BRITTLE = acher's lance



enemy: clustreded with at least four enemies = hail of arrows



anders" being attacked by ranger or magic attack = bursting arrow



hawke: being attaked by melee attack = rhyming triplet







Inventory





Bianca



Varrick's tailored leahter duster + act1 upgrade



the refined gentleman's sash



eye of the bearder dragon



band of the stolen shadows 



the ring of whispers









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Ps I've got all dlc incl... inventory packs...





2 runes of fortune used...



1 on hawke's staff and 1 on varrick's duster...









Thank you so much and the game/series is the best!




ps2 I do have 1 save stored before entering the deep roads so If you say" bro please respec before entering and continuing the game" please feel free to say so...









thanks and all the bes, Sam

[samulin85]

ps I forgot all my party members just had a level up in the deeproads but noting to major...

[SuicidalBaby]

check out my tactics guide. I would reprioritize your tactics order as well as figure out why you have enemy: visible: activate tactics. Either activate after using the mana/stamina or before anything happens. As it is you are just wasting time in the early fight.

self:any: activate X should just be manually turned on in order to use a tactic slot for something important unless you have a ton of open slots.

Heroic Aura does not stack.  Your Hawke is wasting the upgrade. use the point for greater heal.

Varric: - prioritized
enemy: target rank is elite or higher = pinning shot
enemy: BRITTLE = acher's lance
anders" being attacked by ranger or magic attack = bursting arrow
hawke: being attaked by melee attack = rhyming triplet
enemy: at least one is alive = activate speed
enemy: clustreded with at least four enemies = hail of arrows
self: any = activate bianca's song


Merrill

the order of your tactics should be based on importance of what needs to happen 1st in any situation.  Survival is always paramount.  Without deactivate Blood of the First in the 1st spot she could be doing several actions when she would need healing from an outside source, wasting the heal in the process.  It needs to be priority.  Stone fist is a better utility choice than rock armor, especially early game.  Adding the mana requirement to Blood and the deactivation after combat gives you more resources to work with.  You will use 75% of your mana at the start of combat on the quick cast spells, allowing her to be in Blood phase longer.

self: health < 50% = deactivate blood of the first
self: Hp <50%: Health Poultice
enemy: using magic attack: Stone Fist
enemy: elite or higher: winters grasp
enemy: clustered with at least three enemies = chain lightning
self: mana <25%: use current condition for next tactic
self: health >50% : activate blood of the first
self: surrounded by 2 or more enemies: activate wrath of the elven
self: surrounded by at least two enemies = ensare
enemy: clustured with at least four enemies = tempest
self: at least one enemy alive: skip tactics
self: any: Deactivate Blood of the First

Edited by SuicidialBaby, 18 June 2013 - 09:31 PM.

[CosmicGnosis]

I don't want to read through the whole thread, so I'll just ask this question: Are the tactics that are listed in the OP completely up-to-date and bug-free? Basically, are there any changes located somewhere else in this thread?

Edited by CosmicGnosis, 14 September 2013 - 08:32 AM.

[SuicidalBaby]

They are, probably, maybe.

questions about tactics? click the link.

[SuicidalBaby]

bump

[HansVedic]

I think the link to Varric's build is broken, or at least it is for me. Instead of going to a build calculator, it simply redirects back to this thread. Could someone else check to make sure it isn't just me?

[MagicalMaster]

The first one is fine.  The one under Team Glass Cannon is broken.

[HansVedic]

My apologies for not being clear enough.  I assumed it would be understood that I was talking about the patch 1.03 Varric build.  That one appears to not only not be working, but includes a talent in its tactics not listed in the earlier one that works, namely Brand.

[Rody2k9]

The varric link to the abilities guide for the post patch section of the guide is incorrect. It brings me back to the topic and not the site that shows the skill tree.

[Doomrider56]

So sad the updated varric skill distribution link opens this guide instead of skill list :/