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[ThomasBlaine]

In the epilogue and opening narration, Hawke is very much implied (or explicitly stated, depending on how seriously you take Cassandra's whishful thinking) to be the only person in Thedas capable of stopping the Mage/Templar war before the Chantry, and by extension, society, rips itself apart.

...How the hell should that be possible?

I personally find it uttely absurd that either or both sides of a civil war, much less one of this scale, would step down because any one person tells them to.

Even should this make psychologically sense, why would it have to be Hawke? Sure, the Templars either respect him to a certain degree, or maybe holds him partially responsible for the whole mess. What difference would that make, really? What difference would that make, really, when telling them to stop killing the unstable walking nukes terrorizing the innocent? Or to stop  rebelling, go back to your cages and never look at the sun again, now that you finally have the chance to clain your freedom?
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Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 18 avril 2011 - 09:56 .

[ThomasBlaine]

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 18 avril 2011 - 11:28 .

[AlexXIV]

ThomasBlaine wrote...

In the epilogue and opening narration, Hawke is very much implied (or explicitly stated, depending on how seriously you take Cassandra's whishful thinking) to be the only person in Thedas capable of stopping the Mage/Templar war before the Chantry, and by extension, society, rips itself apart.

...How the hell should that be possible?

I personally find it uttely absurd that either or both sides of a civil war, much less one of this scale, would step down because any one person tells them to.

Even should make psychologically sense, why would it have to be Hawke? Sure, the Templars either respect him to a certain degree, or maybe holds him partially responsible for the whole mess. What difference would that make, really? What difference would that make, really, when telling them to stop
killing the unstable walking nukes terrorizing the innocent? Or to stop
rebelling, go back to your cages and never look at the sun again, now
that you finally have the chance to clain your freedom?

I take it that the Warden could do it too. After all the Warden can be a mage and/or hero for many mages as well for stopping the Blight and his/her actions at the Circle Tower of Ferelden. Anyway, it seems the Warden has disappeared, as has the Champion. If they needed a leader figure they should probably pick the Warden over Hawke since Hawke didn't lead more than his little group of companions while the Warden led 3 armies into the last battle of the 5th Blight.

ThomasBlaine wrote...

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You can't, just leave it there.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 avril 2011 - 09:58 .

[Avilia]

And both the Warden and Hawke are missing.

Coincidence?

[Wulfram]

Alone, Hawke surely can't fix this. But they would certainly be helpful to have on board, if the Divine is trying to broker a peace.

[IanPolaris]

I think both Cassandra and Lelianna are both (proverbially) whilstling Dixie. There is nothing either the Warden or Champion could say that will stop a Mage/Templar civil war assuming that either even wanted to. I know my 'canon' or 'default' Warden is an unapologetic (but good!) bloodmage who feels that the Chantry is getting it's just deserts. I easily can see a Hawke feeling exactly the same way especially after dealing with Elthina's pious words followed by no action.

-Polaris

[AlexXIV]

IanPolaris wrote...

I think both Cassandra and Lelianna are both (proverbially) whilstling Dixie. There is nothing either the Warden or Champion could say that will stop a Mage/Templar civil war assuming that either even wanted to. I know my 'canon' or 'default' Warden is an unapologetic (but good!) bloodmage who feels that the Chantry is getting it's just deserts. I easily can see a Hawke feeling exactly the same way especially after dealing with Elthina's pious words followed by no action.

-Polaris

In general extremists on any side of a conflict are in the minority. They may be the one who give the direction for a while but in the long run I would think the majority favors a peaceful solution above wiping each other out. Especially with the Qunari threat lingering. I think each side can use strong leaders and examples. And that's what the Warden is and Hawke is more or less believed to be. And the fact that they both have disappeared may be due to both having a plan and executing it right now. Or maybe taking care of a bigger threat. After all who is to say that DA3 is about the civil war and not about whatever the Wardens said is more important than what happened at Kirkwall. The civil war could find an abrupt end if some old god(s) rise and threaten to destroy the land in a worse way than the Blight. For example.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 avril 2011 - 10:32 .

[Morroian]

ThomasBlaine wrote...

In the epilogue and opening narration, Hawke is very much implied (or explicitly stated, depending on how seriously you take Cassandra's whishful thinking) to be the only person in Thedas capable of stopping the Mage/Templar war before the Chantry, and by extension, society, rips itself apart.

...How the hell should that be possible?

I thought it was because the chantry thought he was the cause or at least knew more about its origins than anyone else.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I thought the idea was that he could be a leader and one that might be able to steer the mages (or whoever) into not endlessly drawing out the war.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Considering how useless he was in DA2, yea I too wonder why the Seekers, instead of doing something, are wasting their time searching for the champion.

[Camenae]

Maybe in DA3 we will find out that the Warden is leading one side and Hawke is leading the other, maybe from behind the scenes. Epic battles ensue!

[Vicious]

. There is nothing either the Warden or Champion could say that will stop a Mage/Templar civil war assuming that either even wanted to.

Exactly. Nobody can stop it. Cassandra, a perfectly fallible human, THOUGHT Hawke could do something. But even Leliana says it's in the maker's hands now. [lol]

So, no Hawke stopping huge war in DA3.

DA3 is the world in the midst of war and whomever the hell the new human protagonist will be this time.

Hopefully it won't be a framed narrative, so, you know, our actions actually MEAN something.

[Vicious]

Considering how useless he was in DA2, yea I too wonder why the Seekers, instead of doing something, are wasting their time searching for the champion.

That's easy, because they hear rebel mages say Hawke this Hawke that, and nobody knows who the hell he is.

Either a hero who slaughtered Templars or anulled a Circle after some psycho blew up a Chantry.

So with all the rebel Mages going Hawke this Hawke that, they figure it's all his fault. This is evident when Cassandra has a book about "Hawke and friend's amazing adventures! [by varric]" and forces Varric to tell the real story.

The whole time Cassandra thought Hawke might be this superhero or messianic type figure who could save everyone or stop everything [since it was his fault to begin with right?]

Turns out he was just some guy [or gal] with really bad luck. Powerful but ultimately powerless. Kicked events off but could not control them. Varric doesn't know where he is. He just vanished into legend like all of Thedas's heroes. Though it's just as well, seeing as how he was just a normal person all along.

Roll credits.


Yeah, realizing that's what DA2 was about pissed me off.

[Auridesion]

Personally, I felt there was a lot of closure at the end of Origins, because regardless of the possible loose end(s) with Morrigian's character -- the Warden, no matter their origin story, or their path to the end, always ends up defeating a Blight. Going into DA2, I had no idea what to expect of the story, because I was thought, What, did another archdemon get the wake-up call?. I was glad that they didn't make it about the darkspawn this time around, because that would have felt like playing the same story with different characters.

If I have to guess, I'm thinking that the games as a series are like one long book. I think Origins is rather like the prologue, and DA2 is just the first chapter after that fact. Why? Because at the end of DA2, I didn't feel that same sense of closure. They gave us a more cliffhangery ideas about what's coming at us next.

As for why Varric may have referred to Hawke as the one person who could fix the mess, consider that he may have merely said that to mock Cassandra's motivations in seeking out the Champion. If you didn't know Hawke's story, and you'd only heard the legends, wouldn't you hope that such a person existed?

[TJPags]

Personally, the first person who asks MY Hawke to get involved in that crapstorm is getting a dagger in the throat.

My Hawke had no interest in helping either the mages or the templars during DA2, and has no intention of helping either side after the fact.

Let them kill each other. I just want a sandwich.

[ThomasBlaine]

TJPags wrote...

Personally, the first person who asks MY Hawke to get involved in that crapstorm is getting a dagger in the throat.

My Hawke had no interest in helping either the mages or the templars during DA2, and has no intention of helping either side after the fact.

Let them kill each other. I just want a sandwich.

Did you actually manage to roleplay that in the game, with all the railroading?

[TJPags]

ThomasBlaine wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Personally, the first person who asks MY Hawke to get involved in that crapstorm is getting a dagger in the throat.

My Hawke had no interest in helping either the mages or the templars during DA2, and has no intention of helping either side after the fact.

Let them kill each other. I just want a sandwich.

Did you actually manage to roleplay that in the game, with all the railroading?

No, of course not.  The Order . . .errr, Qun . . .err, plot dictates and all that.

So I sided with the mages, watched Orsino turn into a Harvester and attack me, and at that point, started looking for the exit.  It happened to have Meredith and a bunch of animated statues in front of it, so I killed them, and walked off into the sunset.

Never to return.

Ever.

[Rifneno]

Avilia wrote...

And both the Warden and Hawke are missing.

Coincidence?

We never see Justice and Harbinger in the same place at the same time.  Coincidence?

Camenae wrote...

Maybe in DA3 we will find out that the Warden is leading one side and Hawke is leading the other, maybe from behind the scenes. Epic battles ensue!

That would be epic levels of fail.  Both characters are the player, and most players play the majority of their characters with at least a similar outlook on things.

[Camenae]

Fine! But why you gotta hate! >: (

[Rifneno]

Camenae wrote...

Fine! But why you gotta hate! >: (

Lyrium withdrawl.  ...  Don't judge me!  

[White_Buffalo94]

AlexXIV wrote...

ThomasBlaine wrote...

In the epilogue and opening narration, Hawke is very much implied (or explicitly stated, depending on how seriously you take Cassandra's whishful thinking) to be the only person in Thedas capable of stopping the Mage/Templar war before the Chantry, and by extension, society, rips itself apart.

...How the hell should that be possible?

I personally find it uttely absurd that either or both sides of a civil war, much less one of this scale, would step down because any one person tells them to.

Even should make psychologically sense, why would it have to be Hawke? Sure, the Templars either respect him to a certain degree, or maybe holds him partially responsible for the whole mess. What difference would that make, really? What difference would that make, really, when telling them to stop
killing the unstable walking nukes terrorizing the innocent? Or to stop
rebelling, go back to your cages and never look at the sun again, now
that you finally have the chance to clain your freedom?

I take it that the Warden could do it too. After all the Warden can be a mage and/or hero for many mages as well for stopping the Blight and his/her actions at the Circle Tower of Ferelden. Anyway, it seems the Warden has disappeared, as has the Champion. If they needed a leader figure they should probably pick the Warden over Hawke since Hawke didn't lead more than his little group of companions while the Warden led 3 armies into the last battle of the 5th Blight.

ThomasBlaine wrote...

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You can't, just leave it there.

4 armies

[PantheraOnca]

Vicious wrote...


DA3 is the world in the midst of war and

Calling it now, DA3 is going to be RTS or some other army fighting type of game (total war-esque maybe?).

[Vicious]

And both the Warden and Hawke are missing.

And we'll probably never see them again. Heroes have dissappeared from Thedas throughout history if you've read the codex. And they have never come back.

Obviously a HUGE plot point that will merely be glossed over in DA3.

[ArcticBear]

Well, considering over the course of 10 years hawke and his friends kill over 100 mages, most of them blood mages, about 1k+ fighters and a handful of templars, including a possessed super powerful templar right on the doorstep of hell. Im pretty sure he can stop a civil war.

Not to mention he has the allegiance of the kirkwall guard, and depending on how you play, the kirkwall templars. Also the fact that he makes going to the deep roads look like a shopping trip.

All this alludes to the fact that hawke is a pretty goddamn powerful character.

[Huntress]

Vicious wrote...

And both the Warden and Hawke are missing.

And we'll probably never see them again. Heroes have dissappeared from Thedas throughout history if you've read the codex. And they have never come back.

Obviously a HUGE plot point that will merely be glossed over in DA3.

ShlT really?

Well thats bad, I don't know what bioware is doing with Thedas, whats the plan? I only see lose ends everywere, from DAO, awakening, Witch Hunt and now DA2, start making some sense bioware!!... gosh.