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[Cuuniyevo]

I was once proposed to in an MMO. The guy got down on one knee and everything.



The first MMO I ever played actually assigned genders to specific classes, so you did not get the option of choosing gender if you wanted to see that content. (Hey, it cut down on character art assets by half.) In all of the MMO's I've played since, I just recreated those first few characters in the new game because I liked how they played.



I wonder how China's going to deal with androgynous gamers… .__.

[BluesMan1956]

Cuuniyevo wrote...

I was once proposed to in an MMO. The guy got down on one knee and everything.

The first MMO I ever played actually assigned genders to specific classes, so you did not get the option of choosing gender if you wanted to see that content. (Hey, it cut down on character art assets by half.) In all of the MMO's I've played since, I just recreated those first few characters in the new game because I liked how they played.

I wonder how China's going to deal with androgynous gamers… .__.

My question, is how do they even know who is male and female?  They certainly shouldn't need that information in order to create an account. 

[Sword For Hire]

its china what do you expect, + didn't they ban "that game" there?

[Amberyl Ravenclaw]

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Modifié par Amberyl Ravenclaw, 30 octobre 2009 - 06:33 .

[stevej713]

Wow...that was amusing...

[wrexingcrew]

BluesMan, I have some terrible news for you: I'm in your nation's capital, distributing your monies. I'm really enjoying it, to be honest.

Maria, it has quite a bit to do with the government and personal liberties, but Amberyl is correct: BluesMan does not appear to understand the difference between omission and commission. A corporation infringing on personal liberties is still infringing on personal liberties, and as Greyward suggests, that becomes government's responsibility in countries with codified rights and enforcement mechanisms. China's government doesn't (as I understand it) have the desire or the mechanism to do anything in this kind of case, let alone the broad conception of individual rights that would lead to applicable non-discrimination principles. BluesMan, if you object to this particular corporate policy in the context of government failure, you are objecting to the failure of government to act, not government interference. Although I would point out to Greyward that a CEO's "personal liberties" generally have nothing to do, from a legal standpoint, with a corporation's actions in the US. See: corporate personhood, etc

Modifié par wrexingcrew, 30 octobre 2009 - 06:43 .

[Maria Caliban]

wrexingcrew wrote...

A corporation infringing on personal liberties is still infringing on personal liberties, and as Greyward suggests, that becomes government's responsibility in countries with codified rights and enforcement mechanisms.

Except this corporation isn't infringing on personal liberties.

If I want to pre-order a game via Gamestop, I have to give my phone number. If I don't want to give my phone number, then I have the option of trying to find another place to pre-order or not pre-ordering.

Asking for that information is not a impinging on my personal liberties. Not letting a guy play a girl or a girl play a guy in an MMO is not impinging on someone's personal liberties.

[wrexingcrew]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Asking for that information is not a impinging on my personal liberties. Not letting a guy play a girl or a girl play a guy in an MMO is not impinging on someone's personal liberties.

As I said, in a country with a certain codified commitment to non-discrimination, it could well be.  Altering the product available on the basis of gender, sexual identity, or any other identity characteristic isn't lawful in the United States in some contexts, and is generally controversial even in lawful contexts.  See housing for the former and Augusta National for the latter.

BluesMan is totally fair to bring up personal liberties, he's just being logically inconsistent, as Amberyl pointed out.

[BluesMan1956]

wrexingcrew wrote...

BluesMan, I have some terrible news for you: I'm in your nation's capital, distributing your monies. I'm really enjoying it, to be honest.

Maria, it has quite a bit to do with the government and personal liberties, but Amberyl is correct: BluesMan does not appear to understand the difference between omission and commission. A corporation infringing on personal liberties is still infringing on personal liberties, and as Greyward suggests, that becomes government's responsibility in countries with codified rights and enforcement mechanisms. China's government doesn't (as I understand it) have the desire or the mechanism to do anything in this kind of case, let alone the broad conception of individual rights that would lead to applicable non-discrimination principles. BluesMan, if you object to this particular corporate policy in the context of government failure, you are objecting to the failure of government to act, not government interference. Although I would point out to Greyward that a CEO's "personal liberties" generally have nothing to do, from a legal standpoint, with a corporation's actions in the US. See: corporate personhood, etc

I put it to you that your notion of governmental obligations to nanny all the citizens may seem noble, but it rails against the principles on which this country was founded.  Who are YOU to decide who gets money taken away and who gets it?  The democrats have been playing that game to keep themselves in power for decades in Lousisiana and Chicago.  I put it to you that it is not CORPORATIONS that are evil, but PEOPLE.  Our founders understood that and that is why they created this nation the way they did.

The balance of power in this country is extremely out of power.  NOw we have a handful of individuals in Washington who wish to dictate how the rest of the country should live their lives, either as a attempt to stay in power or the naiive belief that this is somehow good for the country.

[invert180]

I'll repeat myself here... I'm curious as to what, exactly, the boogeyman government is doing to dictate how you should live your life. What laws have they passed that directly interferes and controls your life? You have to be able to pin down the specifics and provide evidence. Because if you can't, you're just irrationally fearful over nothing.

[Rita02]

I wonder how the company would even enforce this? Someone could just easily get a picture of a female relative or friend and send it in.

[Ninjaphrog]

Well guys, unless you agree with the Chinese on this matter...



what are we argueing about?



Does ANYONE here disagree with me when I'm saying that people have the right to make their characters however they wish, no matter where in the world they happen to be? I certainly hope not.



Fact of this matter is that the Chinese government is a bunch of corrupt sick sacks of **** who would be more fitting as low quality ****s then leaders of a nation... And it's just that much more evident just how much of a control freak state of mind these sick people are in, when they try to control what people do in the virtual world. If you ask me they won't stop till you have to fill out a ****ing application in order to take a dump in your own ****in bathroom.

[Ninjaphrog]

Rita02 wrote...

I wonder how the company would even enforce this? Someone could just easily get a picture of a female relative or friend and send it in.

Yeah it was said in the OPs article. They claim that they'll require webcam footage to prove the gender.

How freakin low will they sink in order to be able to say "WE control this, and every aspect of it too".

If you ask me?

Boykott those son of a ****es.

[Davitto]

How much you betting one of the developers fell in love online and found out 'she' was more than 'she' appeared, and this is the backlash? >.<

[Ninjaphrog]

Davitto wrote...

How much you betting one of the developers fell in love online and found out 'she' was more than 'she' appeared, and this is the backlash? >.<

I have played MxO, EQ2, and WoW, all are MMOs

All have their share of males with female characters.

I once had a relationship for 3 months with a girl in EverQuest 2, who turned out to be a guy. I honestly didn't care, cause it was all online.

People who go into an MMO and EXPECT to find true love, really need to rethink their methods, especially if they don't want any nasty surprises.

Now it might make a difference considering I'm bi, and I can't speak for those who considers gay relationships as unnatural. I for one, think its unnatural to deny love for something as stupid as gender, but that's just me.

I myself have role played a girl before, cause it was an RP server, and there were both females roleplaying guys, and visa versa, both happen. But that doesn't mean that I wanna go and be a transvestite in real life for crying out loud.

My point is:

If you go into an MMO, searching for relationships, you're on the wrong boat to the wrong dock, cause very few people inthere are looking for the real thing. (If you wanna look for the real thing in an MMO, try Second Life)




It should be known that I met my wife in World of Warcraft about 2 and a half years ago. People think that's wierd, which I don't understand, and I don't care to understand. None of us were looking for anything, it just happened.

[fairandbalancedfan]

Ninjaphrog wrote...

Fact of this matter is that the Chinese government is a bunch of corrupt sick sacks of **** who would be more fitting as low quality ****s then leaders of a nation... And it's just that much more evident just how much of a control freak state of mind these sick people are in, when they try to control what people do in the virtual world. If you ask me they won't stop till you have to fill out a ****ing application in order to take a dump in your own ****in bathroom.

I am pretty sure the Chinese government cares what other people say about it, since they filter that 'things' out in the internet in China. It was obvious for a long time the Chinese government is corrupt and are very authoritarian in nature. But hey as long as the world gets it's cheap Chinese made goods, everything is dandy, right ?

[Ninjaphrog]

No...

[Rita02]

Ninjaphrog wrote...

Rita02 wrote...

I wonder how the company would even enforce this? Someone could just easily get a picture of a female relative or friend and send it in.

Yeah it was said in the OPs article. They claim that they'll require webcam footage to prove the gender.

How freakin low will they sink in order to be able to say "WE control this, and every aspect of it too".

If you ask me?

Boykott those son of a ****es.

Still you could just get a female friend to sit in front of the webcam... But it's quite disturbing that they're going to these lengths just to check for gender. I want to play male characters too sometimes and I shouldn't be stopped just because I'm female <_<.

I agree, I hope nobody does it and they lose all their players.

[Mihura]

Oh My God I mean they have a different culture for sure, but I think they really like the crossdress in there, so this is rather strange O_o

Still if they believe that it's possible to have a real relationship just over the internet, they are sadly mistaken. I really don't see any reason to have I rule like that. For what propose is that? I see only fear of being gay with a guy that you though was a girl but isn't that a classic joke so how can anyone fall for that? are they stupid?

Modifié par Mihura, 30 octobre 2009 - 10:48 .

[fairandbalancedfan]

Ninjaphrog wrote...

No...

No ? a large number of people who seem to hold the same opinion as you have no problem buying cheap Chinese made goods. Oh noes, the government is interfering with the MMO, outrageous. I don't  care the government is interfering with MMO or games,  Oh, boohoo you can't play with a female avatar as a male gamer. This is small fish compared to the bigger problems the Chinese have.

[Ninjaphrog]

Mihura wrote...

Oh My God I mean they have a different culture for sure, but I think they really like the crossdress in there, so this is rather strange O_o

Still if they believe that it's possible to have a real relationship just over the internet, they are sadly mistaken. I really don't see any reason to have I rule like that. For what propose is that? I see only fear of being gay with a guy that you though was a girl but isn't that a classic joke so how can anyone fall for that? are they stupid?

Hay I had a serious relationship over webcams with my wife for over a year....

[Ninjaphrog]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Ninjaphrog wrote...

No...

No ? a large number of people who seem to hold the same opinion as you have no problem buying cheap Chinese made goods. Oh noes, the government is interfering with the MMO, outrageous. I don't  care the government is interfering with MMO or games,  Oh, boohoo you can't play with a female avatar as a male gamer. This is small fish compared to the bigger problems the Chinese have.

BUT ITS OUR FISH!!!

[Amberyl Ravenclaw]

Mihura wrote...

Oh My God I mean they have a different culture for sure, but I think they really like the crossdress in there, so this is rather strange O_o

Still if they believe that it's possible to have a real relationship just over the internet, they are sadly mistaken. I really don't see any reason to have I rule like that. For what propose is that? I see only fear of being gay with a guy that you though was a girl but isn't that a classic joke so how can anyone fall for that? are they stupid?

*raises eyebrow*

Several questions: Who is "they" in this context, what do you mean by "different culture", and by what evidence are you presuming that "'they' believe it's possible to have a real relationsihp just over the internet"? I might be wrong, but I have a feeling that your reading of the situation is way off the mark.

Modifié par Amberyl Ravenclaw, 30 octobre 2009 - 11:02 .

[Ninjaphrog]

Amberyl Ravenclaw wrote...

Mihura wrote...

Oh My God I mean they have a different culture for sure, but I think they really like the crossdress in there, so this is rather strange O_o

Still if they believe that it's possible to have a real relationship just over the internet, they are sadly mistaken. I really don't see any reason to have I rule like that. For what propose is that? I see only fear of being gay with a guy that you though was a girl but isn't that a classic joke so how can anyone fall for that? are they stupid?

*raises eyebrow*

Several questions: Who is "they" in this context, what do you mean by "different culture", and by what evidence are you presuming that "'they' believe it's possible to have a real relationsihp just over the internet"? I might be wrong, but I have a feeling that your reading of the situation is way off the mark.

Me and my wife and my unborn daughter are 3 living examples of Mihura being mistaken, and somewhat narrowminded.

If you ask me, it's much more comfortable to make friends/relationships over the internet...some people might think that's sad and pitiful...well is it more pitiful then meeting your girlfriend in a bar while you're drunk? Sorry but I'd rather meet my loved one in comfortable surroundings.

[Mihura]

Ninjaphrog wrote...

Mihura wrote...

Oh My God I mean they have a different culture for sure, but I think they really like the crossdress in there, so this is rather strange O_o

Still if they believe that it's possible to have a real relationship just over the internet, they are sadly mistaken. I really don't see any reason to have I rule like that. For what propose is that? I see only fear of being gay with a guy that you though was a girl but isn't that a classic joke so how can anyone fall for that? are they stupid?

Hay I had a serious relationship over webcams with my wife for over a year....

hum ok but I clearly wrote "just" lol I think is kinda improbable to have a relationship "just" over the internet you have to meet the person some times in real life.

Amberyl Ravenclaw wrote...

Mihura wrote...

Oh My God I mean they have a different culture for sure, but I think they really like the crossdress in there, so this is rather strange O_o

Still if they believe that it's possible to have a real relationship just over the internet, they are sadly mistaken. I really don't see any reason to have I rule like that. For what propose is that? I see only fear of being gay with a guy that you though was a girl but isn't that a classic joke so how can anyone fall for that? are they stupid?

*raises eyebrow*

Several questions: Who is "they" in this context, what do you mean by "different culture", and by what evidence are you presuming that "'they' believe it's possible to have a real relationsihp just over the internet"? I might be wrong, but I have a feeling that your reading of the situation is way off the mark.

They yes, aren't we talking about some guys from a company in china?

What I mean by different culture? let me see I live in Europe in a country with different rules of society and government I guess that's pretty different no?

What I mean by having relationship over the internet is that is the only motive I see for that kinda of rule in a mmorpg but that is just my opinion.

Modifié par Mihura, 30 octobre 2009 - 11:20 .