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[vengeance1337]

 This is for anyone who set Alistair up with Anora, Is there the possibility of Alistair having children to succeed the line of Fereldan kings? He's been king for years yet there is no mention of heirs in his codex entry. There was the suspicion that Anora is barren, does this mean she really is? (If she's not then why no kids?) If so, will there be yet another problem of succession for future games? I'd think with all the crap they had to put up for succession this would have been addressed. 

[UltiPup]

Alistair is tainted. His little men can't get past the front lines.

[thesuperdarkone]

It's possible but unlikely since the taint is reduces his fertility. I'd say it would be highly unlikely if Anora is in fact barren but if she isn't, the chances are most likely unlikely.

[vengeance1337]

UltiPup wrote...

Alistair is tainted. His little men can't get past the front lines.

I don't think the taint makes it impossible to have kids, just harder as thesuperdarkone says, Sophia Dryden had kids and the Warden can have one with Morrigan even without the Ritual. He's had years to try 

[Caja]

David Gaider posted somewhere that a Grey Warden could have a child. It's rare though and the tainted blood makes it a lot harder.
Given that Anora *might* have some fertility problems of her own I'd say that Alistair and her probably won't have children.

[NugWrangler]

I suspect that it was purposely set up so there would be no heir. We know Alistair has fertility issues and it is highly implied that Anora is barren. It might set up future political strife, maybe in DA3 your character will be king/queen for real.

[erilben]

vengeance1337 wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Alistair is tainted. His little men can't get past the front lines.

I don't think the taint makes it impossible to have kids, just harder as thesuperdarkone says, Sophia Dryden had kids and the Warden can have one with Morrigan even without the Ritual. He's had years to try 

Sophia probably had her child before the Joining. It's not impossible for a Warden to have a child, but  Alsitair says all the Wardens he knew that had children had them before the Joining. None of the Wardens in Awakening seem to have children.

[LobselVith8]

The Warden can have a child with Morrigan without the dark ritual. It's not impossible. It's only impossible for two Grey Wardens to have a child with each other.

[vengeance1337]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Warden can have a child with Morrigan without the dark ritual. It's not impossible. It's only impossible for two Grey Wardens to have a child with each other.

Where did you get that from?

[Inzhuna]

vengeance1337 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Warden can have a child with Morrigan without the dark ritual. It's not impossible. It's only impossible for two Grey Wardens to have a child with each other.

Where did you get that from?

From "Witch hunt". If the Warden romanced Morrigan but refused the Dark Ritual, she still has a son by him.

[Gamer Ftw]

I doubt Anora would sleep with him.

[Spatchmo]

I hope not. I don't want any babies in DA3 except maybe the Old God Baby.

[Fieryeel]

Spatchmo wrote...

I hope not. I don't want any babies in DA3 except maybe the Old God Baby.

What if your child is a companion?

[Caja]

Spatchmo wrote...

I hope not. I don't want any babies in DA3 except maybe the Old God Baby.

But you probably wouldn't have to interact with a baby in DA the way you would interact with it in the "Sims" .
I mean, maybe a baby wouldn't be more than a codex entry. Or it comes up in a dialogue. Something like that.


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Fieryeel wrote...

What if your child is a companion?

Are you referring to Morrigans child here? I'm asking because I believe that any possible child would have to reach a certain age in order to become a companion. For the sake of discussion let's say the child should be at least 18 years old. By the time you meet king Alistair in DA 2 there is no heir in sight. But let's assume Anora would get pregnant shortly after. So, by the time DA 3 starts and you could get this child as a companion, Alistair and the warden must come close to an age where their time is running out and the deep roads are calling them.
Personally, I don't think this is very appealing. I like to have them around a bit longer .

If we are talking about Morrigan's child, well ,there is a chance that it grows faster because the baby is special. Or maybe time is running differently in whatever realm Morrigan is.  

(edited 'cause of typos)

Modifié par Caja, 20 avril 2011 - 12:48 .

[UrsulaCousland]

vengeance1337 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Warden can have a child with Morrigan without the dark ritual. It's not impossible. It's only impossible for two Grey Wardens to have a child with each other.

Where did you get that from?

Ser Gaider also confirmed that at some point, but I can't find the thread now.

[vengeance1337]

Caja wrote...

Spatchmo wrote...

I hope not. I don't want any babies in DA3 except maybe the Old God Baby.

But you probably wouldn't have to interact with a baby in DA the way you would interact with it in the "Sims" .
I mean, maybe a baby wouldn't be more than a codex entry. Or it comes up in a dialogue. Something like that.


EDIT

Fieryeel wrote...

What if your child is a companion?

Are you referring to Morrigans child here? I'm asking because I believe that any possible child would have to reach a certain age in order to become a companion. For the sake of discussion let's say the child should be at least 18 years old. By the time you meet king Alistair in DA 2 there is no heir in sight. But let's assume Anora would get pregnant shortly after. So, by the time DA 3 starts and you could get this child as a companion, Alistair and the warden must come close to an age where their time is running out and the deep roads are calling them.
Personally, I don't think this is very appealing. I like to have them around a bit longer .

If we are talking about Morrigan's child, well ,there is a chance that it grows faster because the baby is special. Or maybe time is running differently in whatever realm Morrigan is.  

(edited 'cause of typos)

Yah, another reason why I asked this was not only because the succession issue is pretty shaky since Alistair and the Warden might be reaching their limit. For some reason I think a Blight accelerates their corruption.

[dragonflight288]

Anora is 30 at the end of Origins. By the time Alistair comes to Kirkwall as King, she would be 38-40. I don't think she'd be capable of having children even if Alistair is.

[Ulicus]

BPearl12 wrote...

I suspect that it was purposely set up so there would be no heir. We know Alistair has fertility issues and it is highly implied that Anora is barren. It might set up future political strife, maybe in DA3 your character will be king/queen for real.

This. I would be incredibly surprised if any of the DA:O setups produced issue.

Though, if they wanted, it would be pretty easy to have a set "King/Queen Whatever" in a future game and simply change his/her parents based on your DA:O ending.

Modifié par Ulicus, 28 avril 2011 - 10:49 .

[Caja]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Anora is 30 at the end of Origins. By the time Alistair comes to Kirkwall as King, she would be 38-40. I don't think she'd be capable of having children even if Alistair is.

How do you know that Anora is 30 at the end of Origins? I'm not saying you're wrong but how do you know? Was it mentioned in a codex entry?

And my gynecologist told me two weeks ago that she got her son at the age of 39 and that she was feeling fine during the whole pregnancy. According to her there is a higher risk for the baby to be born with trisomy 21 but the mother is *usually* doing fine during such a "late" pregnancy.

What I'm trying to say is that technically it's not Anora's age that would make it impossible for her to get pregnant.
Again, the issue I see here is that she might be barren.

Modifié par Caja, 28 avril 2011 - 10:58 .

[Ulicus]

In Return to Ostagar, you can find a letter in which Eamon mentions that "the Queen approaches her thirtieth year".

Which would mean she was 28 when he wrote the letter. Well, assuming her thirtieth year was the next one. Everyone younger than 29 is approaching their thirtieth year, after all.

Modifié par Ulicus, 28 avril 2011 - 11:29 .

[LilyasAvalon]

I have a theory that no matter who takes the throne in DA:O, there ultimately is no heir produced (Unless you don't count the child concieved with Morrigan) and this will be a point in DA3 or a game or book in the future of the franchise.

Alistair rules alone: I have NO idea if Alistair rules alone forever, or if he eventually takes a wife. Warden's have a hard time concieving, the reason he could do so with Morrigan was possibly because of her magic or because of the ritual itself (Morrigan IS Flemeth's daughter after all). This means there is little to no chance of a child.
Alistair rules with Anora: Anora is possibly barren (Either by biological defect or she's hitting menopause) and we still have Alistair being a Grey Warden. This means there is little to no chance of a child.
Alistair rules with Female Cousland!Warden: Now we have TWO wardens trying to have a baby together. This'll be tricky.... Near impossible to have a child.
Anora rules alone: The epilogue states that Anora never remarries, which makes making babies a little hard. Even if she does remarry or has *ahem* a 'pet', still got that barren thing ya know. ...Little to no chance.
Anora rules with Male Cousland!Warden: Same as if she was ruling with Alistair. Again, little to no chance.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 28 avril 2011 - 03:27 .

[Herr Uhl]

I think the line stops with Alistair. I also think that there'll be a war of succession once the monarchs (Anora and/or Alistair) dies. Anora getting killed early seems likely as to make it circa 20 years (considering the calling) after the end of DA2.

[LilyasAvalon]

Caja wrote...
How do you know that Anora is 30 at the end of Origins? I'm not saying you're wrong but how do you know? Was it mentioned in a codex entry?

And my gynecologist told me two weeks ago that she got her son at the age of 39 and that she was feeling fine during the whole pregnancy. According to her there is a higher risk for the baby to be born with trisomy 21 but the mother is *usually* doing fine during such a "late" pregnancy.

What I'm trying to say is that technically it's not Anora's age that would make it impossible for her to get pregnant.
Again, the issue I see here is that she might be barren.

Keep in mind, even today, having children in your late 30's and early 40's is still not recommend because of health concerns for the child and gets harder the older you get and we've got scientific fertility treatments today that help out a lot. In medieval ages, a woman approaching her 30th year would soon be hitting menopause anyway and I'm assuming that logic transfers over to DA:O being set in a similar age and setting.

[Caja]

Ulicus wrote...

In Return to Ostagar, you can find a letter in which Eamon mentions that "the Queen approaches her thirtieth year".

Which would mean she was 28 when he wrote the letter. Well, assuming her thirtieth year was the next one. Everyone younger than 29 is approaching their thirtieth year, after all.

Thanks. I forgot that her age was mentioned in that letter.

LilyasAvalon wrote...
I have a theory that no matter who takes the throne in DA:O, there ultimately is no heir produced (Unless you don't count the child concieved with Morrigan) and this will be a point in DA3 or a game or book in the future of the franchise.

I agree. In every arrangement an heir is unlikely. I say "unlikely" because I think that a pregnancy would still be possible if some powerful magic is envolved. However, this was done before and I don't think BioWare would repeat it. So other than the little miracle baby that already extists (if it does exist), I doubt that Alistair will ever have an heir. I too believe that they are preparing the stage for future games or books, so to speak.

Keep in mind, even today, having children in your late 30's and early 40's is still not recommend because of health concerns for the child

Yes, I agree. That was my point, that there's a (bigger) risk for the child ...  

and gets harder the older you get and we've got scientific fertility treatments today that help out a lot.

... Nowadays it is actually not so uncommon that women get pregnant in their late 30's, early 40's without fertilitiy treatment . Though I agree that a pregnancy is harder the older the woman gets.

In medieval ages, a woman approaching her 30th year would soon be hitting menopause anyway and I'm assuming that logic transfers over to DA:O being set in a similar age and setting.

I admit it: I don't know at what age a woman hit the menopause in medieval ages. The way I see it, the actual lifespan was shorter, so women got married and pregnant at an earlier age. If better food and care of health would have been provided, they might have lived longer and conceived their children later.   

Alistair says that a Grey Warden lives roughly 50 years. Given that  people in medieval ages usually didn't reach such an age, I always assumed that folks in the Dragon Age universe live longer, except for Grey Wardens, of course. So I'm not sure if the logic transfers over to DA:O.

But we can agree on this: Poor Alistair will probably die childless .

Modifié par Caja, 28 avril 2011 - 04:45 .

[Melca36]

I remember a Gaider post saying that Alistair would NEVER have children as king.

Ferelden will eventually have another civil war again.