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[Moiaussi]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Hell once you think about it Shepard did worse than Saren.
Saren's attack on the Citadel was mostly focused on the presidium meaning minimal destruction and casualties. Let's say maybe 4,000 people died from the main attack with an added 900 from damage, Shepard cleared 300,000 and a Mass Relay in a few seconds. The Citadel was back up in running in no time but that Batarian colony was completely eradicated along with the Alpha Relay.
The council isn't exactly going to be very supportive is all I'm saying

You seem to be forgetting the initial attack on Eden and the bombs he had planted there, as well as the numerous colonies that the Geth attacked under Saren's leadership. Shepard may have killed more, but it wasn't for lack of trying on Saren's part.

Irrespective, Saren was a much more established hero at the time that Shepard is now. Heck, they were able to carry on with Shepard dead and noone really realizing he was even missing other than the Council themselves and maybe various espionage agencies.

With the Reapers here now, wouldn't the Batarians be too busy dealiing with an invasion starting in their space to protest anything (other than maybe by indoctrination?)

[Nashiktal]

Moiaussi wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Hell once you think about it Shepard did worse than Saren.
Saren's attack on the Citadel was mostly focused on the presidium meaning minimal destruction and casualties. Let's say maybe 4,000 people died from the main attack with an added 900 from damage, Shepard cleared 300,000 and a Mass Relay in a few seconds. The Citadel was back up in running in no time but that Batarian colony was completely eradicated along with the Alpha Relay.
The council isn't exactly going to be very supportive is all I'm saying

You seem to be forgetting the initial attack on Eden and the bombs he had planted there, as well as the numerous colonies that the Geth attacked under Saren's leadership. Shepard may have killed more, but it wasn't for lack of trying on Saren's part.

Irrespective, Saren was a much more established hero at the time that Shepard is now. Heck, they were able to carry on with Shepard dead and noone really realizing he was even missing other than the Council themselves and maybe various espionage agencies.

With the Reapers here now, wouldn't the Batarians be too busy dealiing with an invasion starting in their space to protest anything (other than maybe by indoctrination?)

No, you are forgetting how territories and Borders work in mass effect. Batarian "territory" is connected through relays which are scattered in various places all over the universe.  "Neighboring" systems arn't actually next to each other.

So no, the Batarians probably don't have any reapers in their grill.... Yet.

[Almostfaceman]

Moiaussi wrote...

With the Reapers here now, wouldn't the Batarians be too busy dealiing with an invasion starting in their space to protest anything (other than maybe by indoctrination?)

*meanwhile at the trial on Earth, capital of humanity*

Batarian Ambassador: Look Shepard is going to pay - wait, getting a phone call...

*everybody stands around looking at watches for a moment*

Batarian Ambassador: Hey, wait, slow down... WHAT?!  Okay, calm down and make sure you get the Pop Tarts out of the pantry and bring them with you when you lock yourself in the safe room!

Asari Councilor: *ahem* Is everything alright?

Batarian Ambassador: Hell Naw!  Some big black ships are swarming my home planet!  We're under attack by a bunch of Sovereigns!

Turian Coucilor: Hah, yes, "Reapers" we have dismissed this claim.

*Shepard looks at Batarian Ambassador and shrugs as all four eyes of the Batarian Ambassador roll then facepalming commences*

Shep: NOW you people see what I've had to deal with...

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 19 avril 2011 - 03:20 .

[jbadm04]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

i think the trial is just a hearing on what shep has neen up to, not you goingz to jail!!!xxs

Shepard just went and commited genocide, thats pretty much grounds for imprisonment, i think

Already said that like 2 weeks ago (with the hearing).
The Batarians (wardens in the prison) know they caught a crazy human who wanted to slam a small planet into their mass relay. In the days before Shepard rides in an rescues Kenson, and in the two days SHep is knocked out inconscious by Object Rho, do ANYONE REALY think, the prison guards did not contact their homeworld like "eh we got this human who wanted to destroy our mass releay, but was rescued". Its even very possible they got security cam footage of Shepard. AND Shepard is not just an unknown nobody.

Its very obvious the Batarians know a human ist reponsible. As soon as their scientist tell them "slaming a planet into a mass relay will most likely cause a super nova", they will be able to tie a to b (Batarian mercenaries and thugs maybe idiots, but I doubt every Batarian is). At this point they will accuse humanity of "genocide" and the war is about to start.

Now the Alliance will have to appease and calm things down and start an investigation about "what idiot did this". Shepard wil heart about this and ride in, as Shepard is full of honor bla (military etc), saying "I did because..." (I do not think Hackett will sell Shep out. Btw, even if you consider Shep real renegade and pro cerberus, actualy not realy impressed about what Batarians and the Alliance think. Shep knows one for sure: a war with the Batarians is a very bad idea with Reapers knocking at our door).  Well and in the middle of the hearing (or trial) the Reapers arrive...

Im not saying its a good or bad story, but one is certain: the story is not impossible.

[SalsaDMA]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

It's a bit hard to use the Spectre defense when three hundred thousand Batarians and a Mass Relay were obliterated by your hand.

My spectre was in the system to try and prevent a terroist act he had caught info about to blow up a system. He was too late and barely managed to escape alive.


You think differently? I'm afraid you will have to proove so without a shred of doubt then, that my Shepard wasn't just doing his job. Unfortunately, any evidence that could verify it was Shepard pushing the button is so much dust in an in-accesible system right now...

[Seboist]

Why is Shepard on trial with Spectre status? Simple answer really, It's because it means absolutely nothing.

It didn't mean anything in ME2 and it won't mean anything in ME3

[HBC Dresden]

Who cares about the trial. Because Shep's justification for wiping out a solar system is proven as the Reapers interrupt it to come down on earth like a ton of bricks.

[Dean_the_Young]

HBC Dresden wrote...

Who cares about the trial. Because Shep's justification for wiping out a solar system is proven as the Reapers interrupt it to come down on earth like a ton of bricks.

Actually, it isn't.

No one can prove what Shepard's intention at the time is: she could be a raging anti-Batarian bigot, and would have done it anyway given the opportunity.

All that's proven is the existence of the Reapers themselves. Shepard could be blaming anything and everything on them, whether that was Shepard's motivation or not.

[Lvl20DM]

The GI article doesn't actually use the word "trial" - it says "inquiry". It could be that Spectre status will come into play - if you have it, you can trot out a line about being outside Alliance jurisdiction. Ultimately it won't matter, as the proceedings will be interrupted:

[Harbinger bursts into court, hand held high]: OBJECTION!

...well, maybe not like that...

[Nashiktal]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

Who cares about the trial. Because Shep's justification for wiping out a solar system is proven as the Reapers interrupt it to come down on earth like a ton of bricks.

Actually, it isn't.

No one can prove what Shepard's intention at the time is: she could be a raging anti-Batarian bigot, and would have done it anyway given the opportunity.

All that's proven is the existence of the Reapers themselves. Shepard could be blaming anything and everything on them, whether that was Shepard's motivation or not.

Not to mention there is no actual proof of the reapers hitting the system. They have hackette's report, but whether or not they believe them is another matter.

They also cannot acknowledge the project, or the team working to destroy the relay. That was black ops.

[Seboist]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

Who cares about the trial. Because Shep's justification for wiping out a solar system is proven as the Reapers interrupt it to come down on earth like a ton of bricks.

Actually, it isn't.

No one can prove what Shepard's intention at the time is: she could be a raging anti-Batarian bigot, and would have done it anyway given the opportunity.

All that's proven is the existence of the Reapers themselves. Shepard could be blaming anything and everything on them, whether that was Shepard's motivation or not.

It also doesn't help that seven of the nine backgrounds paint Shepard to be decidedly anti-batarian

The Batarians will have a field day with my colonist and ruthless Shepard.

[kalpain]

There is no footage of my Shepard doing anything at that prison. Just someone running around in a recon hood causing havoc. That could be anybody. Now that bastard that took the last shuttle off the asteroid... well, they are gonna pay...

[Frostmourne86]

There are several things wrong with this premise:
1. You indirectly killed ~90,000 batarians (and ~210,000 slaves)
2. We don't know what other Spectre's have done in the past (except for the background in ME and ME2); for all we know, a Spectre was behind that planet in krogan space turning into an asteroid field!
3. That system with the Alpha Relay was only a colony; it would be genocide (the eradication of an entire species/group/etc.) if Shepard had destroyed every batarian colony and their home world.
4. Adm. Hackett says that "evidence is shoddy at best"

[SalsaDMA]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Frostmourne86 wrote...

There are several things wrong with this premise:
1. You indirectly killed ~90,000 batarians (and ~210,000 slaves)
2. We don't know what other Spectre's have done in the past (except for the background in ME and ME2); for all we know, a Spectre was behind that planet in krogan space turning into an asteroid field!
3. That system with the Alpha Relay was only a colony; it would be genocide (the eradication of an entire species/group/etc.) if Shepard had destroyed every batarian colony and their home world.
4. Adm. Hackett says that "evidence is shoddy at best"

1. My bad, i forgot that killing 90,000 people was okay. where did you pull that number?
2. Blowing up a system and mass relay>blowing up a hostile planet
3. Genocide isn't the eradication of an entire group, it's killing large numbers of that group.
4. It's already confirmed that there will be a trial, so there must be some degree of good evidnence

1. I think it was stated somewhere in arrival that the majority were slaves in the bahak system, albeit there also were batarian slaves. I can't remember the actual reference, though, I cna just remember reading it.

2. STG was behind the 'krogan solution' (that name actually gives REALLY bad references to a certain other historical event). This should be seen as even worse, yet most people in the ME universe seems to think that wasn't a crime.

3. incorrect. Genocide needs to incorporate "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". 1 event is not 'deliberate and systematic'.

4. The evidence consists of rushed writers that couldn't be arsed to do their job proper in arrival.

[redbaron76]

Even as a spectre, Arrival was an Alliance operation. And the trial is more or less sham, to quiet down chances of war with batarians and alliance. Admiral Hackett said that the evidence of shepards involvemnt with the incident is questionable. Therefore no wintesess not conviction.

[PrinceLionheart]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

It's a bit hard to use the Spectre defense when three hundred thousand Batarians and a Mass Relay were obliterated by your hand.

'zactly

That and the Turian Councilor made it painfully clear the that the Council will turn a blind eye to Shepard as long as he doesn't make a nuisance out of himself. That and LoTSB Dossiers should that the Alliance was previously looking for a reason to rein Shepard in.

[EternalPink]

He didn't commit genocide, there are still batarians in the galaxy

Besides which who cares? The batarians are a rebel state, they withdrew from the council and sponsor terroism against a council race (Humans) so I dont see why anybody would shed any tears.

The only slightly iffy bit from a legal sense is whether Shep destroyed a garden planet since thats against the council rules but even then how would you pin that on him? Unless you decided to try warn them you arrived in a invisible ship and you left in a invisible ship so unless you engraved Shep Wos Ere into the side of the relay before disappearing the only people that really know hate the batarians anyway.

And as to the "wow nobodies done anything worse" the turians neuterd an entire race (Krogans) not just one planet or two planets but an entire species.

The Geth killed millions of quarrians and who knows what dirty little secrets the salarians and the asari have in there closest.

[Redem0]

While I would say what he did hardly was genocide (caused tons of people to die yes, but genocide no)

Thing is even if Batarian are a rogue state that doesn't mean the humans want war with them per se. Shepard basicly strain an already tense relationship, by giving him trial for what he did, its a political gesture of good will toward them.

[PrinceLionheart]

EternalPink wrote...

He didn't commit genocide, there are still batarians in the galaxy

Besides which who cares? The batarians are a rebel state, they withdrew from the council and sponsor terroism against a council race (Humans) so I dont see why anybody would shed any tears..

So single-handedly instigating a war should go unpunished because they were dicks anyway? 

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 20 avril 2011 - 12:12 .

[Labrev]

Their reinstatement was just symbolic, not official. It as an agreement for him to keep a low profile and in return, in return it shows they are OK with his operations for Cerberus. I'm pretty sure that the death of 30,000 batarians kinda goes against the whole "low profile" thing and they're readily going to strip his status.

[didymos1120]

EternalPink wrote...

Besides which who cares? The batarians are a rebel state, they withdrew from the council and sponsor terroism against a council race (Humans) so I dont see why anybody would shed any tears.

This is like saying that the population of any country with a wretched government doesn't count.  They can be slaughtered at will, and it's OK.  Well, no, it's not.  There's also the fact massive numbers of batarians are chattel slaves.  Talk about blaming the victim.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Nobody ever said that Shepherd would be convicted. Its just a trial.

With that said, I think it would be EXCELLENT writing if a paragon shepherd is convicted because mr. goodie two-shoes tells on himself and tries to defend it by arguing that the reapers were coming.

Renegades get off because they lie and said "Nuh uh! Prove it!" And the case is certainly spotty.

*Coming from a goodie toe-shoes paragon*

[Gravbh]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

It's a bit hard to use the Spectre defense when three hundred thousand Batarians and a Mass Relay were obliterated by your hand.

What about the chewbacca defense?