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[SalsaDMA]

Just want to point something out: Saren wasn't declared rogue because he killed x amount of people. He was declared rogue because he had allied himself with a force the citadelcouncil was openly hostile against (Geth) and using that alliance to attack citadel space.

Random killings, by itself, had nothing to do with it. Heck, one of the reasons spectre are mistrusted so much by most people, is because of their rep of just killing people that gets in their way.

[EternalPink]

As i read spectres they are always assumed to be in the right, if a spectre had a reason to kill you then you did something wrong and deserve it which is why elias wet himself soon as you used the renegade spectre option everybody knows that getting into a spectres sights is not good for you and nobody is going to leap to your defence.

Hence why it took so much effort to prove in ME1 that saren was rogue

They are above the law which is pretty much the same as judge dredd being the law.

Modifié par EternalPink, 22 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[SalsaDMA]

I knew I should have kept Sheps helmet on...

[Supersomething]

Starting to wonder if this was a ploy by the Alliance to get Shepard back from Cerberus and they used Hackett to convince Shepard to do the mission since they used to be buddies back in the day.

[Ulicus]

I really, really, REALLY hope that Shepard appears on trial as a hologram... and that we get to do a Saren impression.

That'd be awesome.

I want to mock the prosecution.

"Ah, yes, 'Batarians'."

JediNg wrote...

Everybody, with the exception of your crew
(who are criminals, terrorists, and mercenaries), dismisses the
existence of the reapers. Council doesn't believe you; Alliance doesn't
believe you. The whole galaxy thinks you're delusional since the
events in Mass Effect with talk of millions of years old sentient
machines instead of Sovereign being a geth ship. Can't really blame
them either. Kinda like lol 2012. Anyway, imagine someone nukes a city
because they think it'll stop 2012. That's why Shepard is on trial.

The whole "no-one believes Shepard" plot point is increasingly ridiculous. It didn't make sense at the start of ME2 and it makes even less sense after the end. It only ever made sense during ME1.

The Council and other PTB keeping it on the hush-hush? Absolutely. Disbelieving? Hell no. Shepard proved the validity of his visions the minute he and Liara used them to successfully track down Saren on Ilos and saved the Citadel.

I mean, it'd be one thing for a prosecutor to accuse Shepard of lying about an impending Reaper invasion. After all, didn't he supposedly stop their plan to return to the galaxy in ME1? How many more atrocities is he going to commit in the name of stopping the "impending invasion"? Etc. But I don't want to see any of this "Reapers aren't real" BS. It's getting really old.

Anyway, if I were the Reapers I'd hold back for a few more years. If they don't show up in that system, Shepard's going to look pretty damn bad.

Modifié par Ulicus, 24 avril 2011 - 09:21 .

[JediNg]

Ulicus wrote...

I really, really, REALLY hope that Shepard appears on trial as a hologram... and that we get to do a Saren impression.

That'd be awesome.

I want to mock the prosecution.

"Ah, yes, 'Batarians'."

JediNg wrote...

Everybody, with the exception of your crew
(who are criminals, terrorists, and mercenaries), dismisses the
existence of the reapers. Council doesn't believe you; Alliance doesn't
believe you. The whole galaxy thinks you're delusional since the
events in Mass Effect with talk of millions of years old sentient
machines instead of Sovereign being a geth ship. Can't really blame
them either. Kinda like lol 2012. Anyway, imagine someone nukes a city
because they think it'll stop 2012. That's why Shepard is on trial.

The whole "no-one believes Shepard" plot point is increasingly ridiculous. It didn't make sense at the start of ME2 and it makes even less sense after the end. It only ever made sense during ME1.

The Council and other PTB keeping it on the hush-hush? Absolutely. Disbelieving? Hell no. Shepard proved the validity of his visions the minute he and Liara used them to successfully track down Saren on Ilos and saved the Citadel.

I mean, it'd be one thing for a prosecutor to accuse Shepard of lying about an impending Reaper invasion. After all, didn't he supposedly stop their plan to return to the galaxy in ME1? How many more atrocities is he going to commit in the name of stopping the "impending invasion"? Etc. But I don't want to see any of this "Reapers aren't real" BS. It's getting really old.

Anyway, if I were the Reapers I'd hold back for a few more years. If they don't show up in that system, Shepard's going to look pretty damn bad.

Think about it this way. The longer they kept the rest of the races in a state of disbelief of Shepard's account of the galaxy's past history and its likely future, the more satisfying it will be when you get a 'TOLD YOU SO' dialogue option

[Chuvvy]

On my canon playthrough (that I'll probably do in the month before ME3) I'll tell the council to shove it up their collective ass. It's much more satisfying too.

[corporal doody]

any news on who is handling the trial? i dont understand why shep would be tried in an alliance court..IF spectre status was reinstated it would be a tribunal in front of the council. if not then a batarian court. it was a batarian system...batarian jurisdiction...even if Shep turned himself/herself in to the alliance..extradition. Any result other than Shep's execution would give the batarians a excuse to retaliate. setting Shep free or life in prison...Batarians gonna say human biased. dont think this is something the council can stop. perhaps this was meant to happen to further divide the species for the final showdown.

Modifié par corporal doody, 28 avril 2011 - 01:33 .

[HealthyGiraffe]

Ulicus wrote...

I really, really, REALLY hope that Shepard appears on trial as a hologram... and that we get to do a Saren impression.

That'd be awesome.

I want to mock the prosecution.

"Ah, yes, 'Batarians'."

*Shepard badly imitating Saren*: "Are we allowing Batarian deaths into evidence now? Bah! How can I defend my innocence against this kind of testimony!" 

Hahaha. I would love it! 

[SalsaDMA]

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

I really, really, REALLY hope that Shepard appears on trial as a hologram... and that we get to do a Saren impression.

That'd be awesome.

I want to mock the prosecution.

"Ah, yes, 'Batarians'."

*Shepard badly imitating Saren*: "Are we allowing Batarian deaths into evidence now? Bah! How can I defend my innocence against this kind of testimony!" 

Hahaha. I would love it! 

That would be a pretty dumb thing to say and I can't even imagine what kind of thought process makes this kind of 'joke' pop up. Had you used 'ramblings of mad men' or 'unverified rumors and hearsay' or even 'obviously faked footage' instead of your usage of 'Batarian deaths', then there would have been a joke in the making.

As is, however, there is just a horrible display of lack of common sense, in multiple layers of implications.

[ExtremeOne]

Supersomething wrote...

Starting to wonder if this was a ploy by the Alliance to get Shepard back from Cerberus and they used Hackett to convince Shepard to do the mission since they used to be buddies back in the day.

  



I figured that was a ploy the whole time . and I hate that they played it like that .  

[Someone With Mass]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Supersomething wrote...

Starting to wonder if this was a ploy by the Alliance to get Shepard back from Cerberus and they used Hackett to convince Shepard to do the mission since they used to be buddies back in the day.

  

I figured that was a ploy the whole time . and I hate that they played it like that .  

I fail to see how this is a bad thing. 

Shepard is not working with terrorists anymore? Oh nooooo...

[Dean_the_Young]

Besides the whole terrorism thing, I agree.

[Alpha-Centuri]

SalsaDMA wrote...

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

I really, really, REALLY hope that Shepard appears on trial as a hologram... and that we get to do a Saren impression.

That'd be awesome.

I want to mock the prosecution.

"Ah, yes, 'Batarians'."

*Shepard badly imitating Saren*: "Are we allowing Batarian deaths into evidence now? Bah! How can I defend my innocence against this kind of testimony!" 

Hahaha. I would love it! 

That would be a pretty dumb thing to say
--snip--

It was funny because it is absurd. Its lowbrow humor at its finest. Maybe it was too low for your srs intellectual level .

[SalsaDMA]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

It was funny because it is absurd. Its lowbrow humor at its finest. Maybe it was too low for your srs intellectual level .

No, it was the implied racism you would have had to utilize to even understand there could be anything 'funny' in the wording I had something against.

But maybe you just roll that way.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 28 avril 2011 - 06:57 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

It was funny because it is absurd. Its lowbrow humor at its finest. Maybe it was too low for your srs intellectual level .

No, it was the implied racism you would have had to utilize to even understand there could be anything 'funny' in the wording I had something against.

But maybe you just roll that way.

I guess so. Political correctness even extends to a fictional race that bioware went out of there way to not have them be a  parallel of any race in real life. Oh goodness man, lighten up.

[blothulfur]

This is my favourite genocide in the milky way - Commander Shepard.

P.S. Payback's a bastard, I remember mindoir.

Carved by ship mounted weaponry into a large asteroid at the edge of the debris filled system.

[SalsaDMA]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

It was funny because it is absurd. Its lowbrow humor at its finest. Maybe it was too low for your srs intellectual level .

No, it was the implied racism you would have had to utilize to even understand there could be anything 'funny' in the wording I had something against.

But maybe you just roll that way.

I guess so. Political correctness even extends to a fictional race that bioware went out of there way to not have them be a  parallel of any race in real life. Oh goodness man, lighten up.

I can apreciate dark satire as much as the next person (Black Adder is my favourite satire tv-show), the poster I
replied to was just neither funny nor did his sentence make sense in any
way that was relevant for the context it was used.

For dark satire to actually work, or be present, it needs a premise to work in. That there is something that can be considered related to it. His 'punchline' would not make sense in any way at all, unless you took a purely biggoted way of looking at it in the way that "Deaths of sentients of segment X is fun".

Look at his sentence. "Are we allowing batarians deaths as evidence now?" Not only is he showing a complete lack of understanding of the context of the usage of the words (you cannot use 'batarians deaths' semantically in the way he did), but the only to get any meaning out of it is to accept that just mentioning deaths of 'segment X' as being neglient is actually 'fun'.

The sentence does not make sense as basic english unless you apply the line of thought I described above. Therefore it's dumb and shows a lack of common sense on multiple layers of interpretation.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Don't joke like that blothulfur. You are insinuating that the batarians you killed at Aratoht have a connection to the ones on Mindoir. That would be ignorant at best, and racist at worst... Think of the children!

/sarcasm...

On topic:

corporal doody wrote...

any news on who is handling the trial? i dont understand why shep would be tried in an alliance court..IF spectre status was reinstated it would be a tribunal in front of the council. if not then a batarian court. it was a batarian system...batarian jurisdiction...even if Shep turned himself/herself in to the alliance..extradition.

Its been pretty much confirmed that the trial will be on Earth. To your point about extradition, in a situation between the Alliance and Hegemony, I think it would be unlikely. If you look in real life, there was a big fuss with China a couple of years ago because they wouldn't extradite a guy who possibly murdered someone while in America.

Any result other than Shep's execution would give the batarians a excuse to retaliate. setting Shep free or life in prison...Batarians gonna say human biased. dont think this is something the council can stop. perhaps this was meant to happen to further divide the species for the final showdown.

You're absolutely right. Unless the Reapers attack mid-trial. I doubt the Batarians would seriously be that stupid.

[SalsaDMA]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Don't joke like that blothulfur. You are insinuating that the batarians you killed at Aratoht have a connection to the ones on Mindoir. That would be ignorant at best, and racist at worst... Think of the children!

/sarcasm...

Difference being, that as opposed to healthygiraffe, blothulfur actually uses it correctly, and therefore humour is conveyed.

[Alpha-Centuri]

SalsaDMA wrote...

His 'punchline' would not make sense in any way at all, unless you took a purely biggoted way of looking at it in the way that "Deaths of sentients of segment X is fun".

Is it ok that i find killing sentients of all segments in a fictional game fun? After all, i'm playing as Commander Sheperd, who has killed thousands of mooks, mini-bosses, and big-bads over the course of two games? They've been Geth, Batarians, Humans, Krogans, etc. Come on, your making this a bigger deal then it is.

As to the logic behind the joke, yes it was denegrating to the Batarian populace, signifying that they were no better than cockroaches. I never denied it. If you didn't find it funny because it isn't ideologically consistent of a model citizen in the real world, no problem.

edit: Why am I defending an obvious joke that I didn't even come up with? You don't get it or like it? You can stay on your high horse.

You win

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 28 avril 2011 - 07:44 .

[Moiaussi]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Is it ok that i find killing sentients of all segments in a fictional game fun? After all, i'm playing as Commander Sheperd, who has killed thousands of mooks, mini-bosses, and big-bads over the course of two games? They've been Geth, Batarians, Humans, Krogans, etc. Come on, your making this a bigger deal then it is.

It is ok that you find it fun, but out of place that Shepard does, especially when trying to defend himself, if that makes any sense? Unless he is simply pleading 'guilty but they deserved it'

Maybe a better version would be "So we are accepting unsubstantiated video recordings as evidence now?", which of course would be amusing since that the proof against Saren didn't even include video.