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[PlumPaul93]

Agreed Earth doesn't deserve the ridicule it gets. And besides all of the "were going to only play on earth" BS is all speculation who knows how important Earth will be in ME3.

[Raizo]

wolfennights wrote...

Valkyrie Profile did a sort of similar thing.

Yeah, I know

There's a reason why this game sits one my shelf virtually unplayed ( except for the first 2 or so hours ) despite all the critical aclaim and the fanboy praise. Time limits in rpg's are the work of satan himself.

I didn't really play enough of it though.

Did you not like it? You either get into it or you don't. I liked the basic concept but certain things like the time limit ruined this game for me and rendered it un-playable.

[jmood88]

It's hilarious to me that there were so many people begging to see Earth prior to Mass Effect 2 coming out but now that there will actually be action on Earth there are complaints.

Modifié par jmood88, 20 avril 2011 - 05:32 .

[Raizo]

jmood88 wrote...

It's hilarious to me that there were so many people begging to see Earth prior to Mass Effect 2 coming out but now that there will actually be action on Earth there are complaints.

I think most of those people just wanted an option to visit Earth, maybe stop by Alliance headquarters, go to nearest shopping district, buy a big ass gun, etc. Me, I was never one of those people, it never occured to me to ask for earth to apear in ME3.

I wouldn't have minded it if it was done as I stated in my earlier paragraph but the whole entire idea of having to go to Earth and being forced into an Alliance trial ( I'm a Spectre, I answer to the Council, not the Alliance ) where I am going to have to justify all my past actions to a binch of people who are just going sarcastically mock me when I say I was trying to stop the Reaper Invasion ( because noone believes the Reapers exist ) when Reapers suddenly apear and begin to wage the war on Earth and it's inhabitants of puny humans. Why pick on human's? I thought the original plan was to wipe ot all life in the galaxy?

[Sparrow44]

jmood88 wrote...

It's hilarious to me that there were so many people begging to see Earth prior to Mass Effect 2 coming out but now that there will actually be action on Earth there are complaints.

Count me out as one of those people, as far I'm aware I considered the fact that Earth wasn't seen in ME1 because it wasn't integral to the plot at all so I presumed that it wouldn't be in the future games.

ME2 and by extension Arrival pretty much created a scenario where the Reapers primary goal was to invade Earth and make use of the human DNA angle (which is terrible in execution btw) because of the 'humans are special' and 'Earth is the centre of the universe' tropes which are shamefully repeated in sci-fi media and is something I really don't want to see in ME3.

[Amyntas]

I'm not a hater. Some of my best friends are earthborn.

[Mathy 16]

Its not really about Earth, because the goal IS Earth. Only the beginning and the end will be on Earth.
The game is about rallying other species to fight as one massive army against an enemy who attecked Earth to begin but is going to attack other planets as well...

[mjh417]

I seriously dont get this whole debate.

[Vicious]

lol ya, for the most part its just haters who wish the series never progressed past ME1.

[Destroy Raiden_]

It's not people who wish it never progressed past ME they hate human centered drama. They hate the fact Earth is even going to a potential centerpiece for the series drama. They think the whole game would be great if an alien world or the citadel was the focus of the game and the whole reason we were uniting the galaxy was to save said alien world. Basically aliens are the best thing sense sliced bread and humans are all raciest and haters to them and aren't worth saving.

[Gabey5]

don't sleep on earth

[jmood88]

I love how the people who claim to live the first Mass Effect so much, don't seem to actually have paid much attention to how humans were portrayed. It has been said before but it's worth saying again: humans have always been special in this series. The Volus ambassador on the Citadel talked about how the humans were treated differently from the other races, a huge point in the first game (and the series) was about Shepard being the first human Spectre, and everything that happened in the first game was due to one special human commanding everything. The 2nd game actually had the alien crewmembers have specific roles that couldn't be done by anyone else but there are still complaints that the 2nd game was more human-centric than the 1st.

[Therefore_I_Am]

You guys hate Earth? Tough Sh*t.

If anything humans are getting a "fate worse than death" compared to the other races. What the reapers are doing, I would wish that on no one, not even ourselves. So everybody stop whining and wetting your diapers and let Bioware finish with the story, shall we?

[nevar00]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

It's not people who wish it never progressed past ME they hate human centered drama. They hate the fact Earth is even going to a potential centerpiece for the series drama. They think the whole game would be great if an alien world or the citadel was the focus of the game and the whole reason we were uniting the galaxy was to save said alien world. Basically aliens are the best thing sense sliced bread and humans are all raciest and haters to them and aren't worth saving.

See my earlier post.

Or just keep going around sprouting a bunch of nonsense and sounding like a moron; by all means don't let me stop you.

[xSTONEYx187x]

KotOREffecT wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ill hate on it all I want.

Please BioWare! Don't make Shepard dance! It's so cringeworthy. . . . . . . . . . . .

Ah, who am I kidding, I LOVE IT 

[gosimmons]

I don't hate the idea of retaking Earth. I just hope it's not the only focus of the war.

This is the big final battle, with every race at stake.
I want to fight the Reapers on a galactic scale.

[Destroy Raiden_]

nevar00 wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

It's not people who wish it never progressed past ME they hate human centered drama. They hate the fact Earth is even going to a potential centerpiece for the series drama. They think the whole game would be great if an alien world or the citadel was the focus of the game and the whole reason we were uniting the galaxy was to save said alien world. Basically aliens are the best thing sense sliced bread and humans are all raciest and haters to them and aren't worth saving.

See my earlier post.

Or just keep going around sprouting a bunch of nonsense and sounding like a moron; by all means don't let me stop you.

Good thing I don't wake up everyday wondering what your opinoion on me is.  So no I won't let you stop me  You should really try knowing someone before you call them names it's just nice you know?

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 21 avril 2011 - 01:29 .

[ExtremeOne]

The Earth haters need to go join the Alliance because those 2 groups get a long well in Galaxy butt kissers

[Urdnot Orrad]

I don't see the problem. It makes perfect sense to me that Earth would be a central part of ME3, and I came to this conclusion long before the ME3 Official Summary was announced.

In the metagame perspective, Earth is, of course, the human homeworld, and we've so far only been able to see it from Luna, and hear passing references to it. Don't you think that it's only fair to assume that Earth could be visited, and not merely be a hub world like Omega or Illium? Don't you think that since this trilogy centers around the efforts of a human trying to save the entire galaxy, that the human homeworld would at some point play a very significant part in the trilogy itself?

In Mass Effect... humans are special. Out of all the races in Citadel space that had associate membership to the Council by the time humans came along during the First Contact War, who got the next Council seat (or even got to control it, depending on peoples' playthroughs)? Humanity did.

In less than three decades, humanity became one of the top military and economic powers in the Milky Way. There is in-game justification for this, and it's actually explained flat-out if you take the time to read and listen:

The elcor, volus, and hanar were incapable of becoming Council races because of their respective physiologies (in addition, they were simply incapable of performing the duties expected of Council races). The quarians were exiled by the geth and reviled by the Citadel races as a result of the Morning War's outcome. The geth? They were isolationist anyway, so even if the Citadel had a favorable opinion of them, it wouldn't have mattered. The krogan were far too aggressive, what with the Krogan Rebellions. The batarians... well, from what I can tell, they were fine up until humans came into the mix; they cut off their relations to the Council once the colony troubles in the Skyllian Verge occurred.

Moving into ME2, we have a few more races to discover: The drell and the vorcha, primarily. The drell, I believe, could have become Council races, but their internal problems and their connection to the hanar knocks them out of the question. The vorcha? Ha! They were considered mere rodents and vermin by the rest of the galaxy. What chance did they have?

So, where does that leave us? Humans, that's right. They were aggressive, exceedingly curious about the galaxy, had novel military tactics and strategies, and were very tenacious in all areas of intergalactic society, from military to economics. Let's look into that.

Militarily, we have events such as the First Contact War with the turians. There was no victor, but at the end, there were more turian casualties than human ones-- and remember, the turians were the best military force in the galaxy at that time. That certainly gave humans some credibility.

Economically, the humans were able to adapt very quickly to galactic trade relations, and were capable of making technological breakthroughs with things like medi-gel-- things that other Citadel races had never even thought of, even after thousands of years to do so.

So, yes, the idea of humans being "small fish in a BIG pond" was important in Mass Effect 1. By the time it ended, regardless of player choice, humanity became one of the top races in the galaxy, for reasons as I stated above, as well as the actions of a certain Alliance Marine...

The idea of humans being the saviors of the galaxy is blatant throughout Mass Effect, however you wish to look at it. However, never once is it implied that humans were capable of saving the galaxy by themselves, let alone governing it.

So, over the course of three games, with the rise of humanity on the galactic stage as well as their being targeted by the Reapers for specific reasons... tell me, why exactly should Earth, as the homeworld of the newest, most significant race on the galactic scene, not be treated as the centerpiece for the plot of the final game in the trilogy?

[MidnightRaith]

I don't get the Earth hate either. It's the center of human civilization. Shepard is human, no matter which background you're playthrough is from. The idea that terrible death mongers are attempting to wipe out billions of members of your species should be enough to inspire Shepard to try to save them. Yes, the Reapers will move on, but the fight started on Earth. Stopping them to save Earth will have the same effect as stopping them if they were attempting to wipe out the Hanar homeworld.

As for the racist stuff about humans, are we forgetting the other racist aspects of the other species? Such as the turians? Or the Salarian/Turians vs the Krogan. Or the Quarian vs the Geth. Or everyone against the Migrant Fleet? Some of these conflicts could be justified either way, but I'm just saying that humans are hardly the only ones with problems accepting people. I just highly doubt that the entirety of the human race in the 22nd century can all be stereotyped as racists that deserve to die or whatever.

[SkittlesKat96]

 My problem is that first everyone is complaining that the game is humanity focused and we haven't been to Earth yet and that it's a big deal yet now people are complaining that we get to go to a planet that is a massive focus of the story and theme of the game? Seriously...and there are good reasons for why the reapers are attacking Earth first

[Destroy Raiden_]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

I don't see the problem. It makes perfect sense to me that Earth would be a central part of ME3, and I came to this conclusion long before the ME3 Official Summary was announced.

In the metagame perspective, Earth is, of course, the human homeworld, and we've so far only been able to see it from Luna, and hear passing references to it. Don't you think that it's only fair to assume that Earth could be visited, and not merely be a hub world like Omega or Illium? Don't you think that since this trilogy centers around the efforts of a human trying to save the entire galaxy, that the human homeworld would at some point play a very significant part in the trilogy itself?

In Mass Effect... humans are special. Out of all the races in Citadel space that had associate membership to the Council by the time humans came along during the First Contact War, who got the next Council seat (or even got to control it, depending on peoples' playthroughs)? Humanity did.

In less than three decades, humanity became one of the top military and economic powers in the Milky Way. There is in-game justification for this, and it's actually explained flat-out if you take the time to read and listen:

The elcor, volus, and hanar were incapable of becoming Council races because of their respective physiologies (in addition, they were simply incapable of performing the duties expected of Council races). The quarians were exiled by the geth and reviled by the Citadel races as a result of the Morning War's outcome. The geth? They were isolationist anyway, so even if the Citadel had a favorable opinion of them, it wouldn't have mattered. The krogan were far too aggressive, what with the Krogan Rebellions. The batarians... well, from what I can tell, they were fine up until humans came into the mix; they cut off their relations to the Council once the colony troubles in the Skyllian Verge occurred.

Moving into ME2, we have a few more races to discover: The drell and the vorcha, primarily. The drell, I believe, could have become Council races, but their internal problems and their connection to the hanar knocks them out of the question. The vorcha? Ha! They were considered mere rodents and vermin by the rest of the galaxy. What chance did they have?

So, where does that leave us? Humans, that's right. They were aggressive, exceedingly curious about the galaxy, had novel military tactics and strategies, and were very tenacious in all areas of intergalactic society, from military to economics. Let's look into that.

Militarily, we have events such as the First Contact War with the turians. There was no victor, but at the end, there were more turian casualties than human ones-- and remember, the turians were the best military force in the galaxy at that time. That certainly gave humans some credibility.

Economically, the humans were able to adapt very quickly to galactic trade relations, and were capable of making technological breakthroughs with things like medi-gel-- things that other Citadel races had never even thought of, even after thousands of years to do so.

So, yes, the idea of humans being "small fish in a BIG pond" was important in Mass Effect 1. By the time it ended, regardless of player choice, humanity became one of the top races in the galaxy, for reasons as I stated above, as well as the actions of a certain Alliance Marine...

The idea of humans being the saviors of the galaxy is blatant throughout Mass Effect, however you wish to look at it. However, never once is it implied that humans were capable of saving the galaxy by themselves, let alone governing it.

So, over the course of three games, with the rise of humanity on the galactic stage as well as their being targeted by the Reapers for specific reasons... tell me, why exactly should Earth, as the homeworld of the newest, most significant race on the galactic scene, not be treated as the centerpiece for the plot of the final game in the trilogy?

^ This.

[HealthyGiraffe]

To be honest - the Reaper's focusing on Earth makes perfect sense. Shepard has been pretty much the only reason they have failed in both ME and ME2. He/She is Human. Makes sense they go for Earth.

However I suspect Earth won't be the only planet under attack.

[ANdrewJ]

Reapers are coming and they present real threat to everything.

Humans are top of the food chain, so they fall first, their achievements only little thing that peaks harbinger curiosity, it`s total interest is still WE, beacause we screwed Sovereign, Collectors, Nanite-Crazy Amanda Kenson...
He is annoyed and interested... That why he starts harvest human first - to find out what it is before possessing us and revealing absolutely nothing.
Humans are material for him, machine does not understand and possibly will not find reason of power - love and care for your woman, your cutie, courage and honour (even in such dark place as galaxy is) shining from the eyes, fire of sun in the center of the heart and bravery of soul... Harbinger, won`t find the reason and will be annoyed even MORE.

Harbinger will hit the galaxy from another powerfull mass-relay like alpha (there are A LOT OF THEM), and he goes next:
- 50 percent of forces heading on Earth,
- 10 percent of remaining will head to the homeworld/key locations of every race.
That is the clever move to repel everything in single surprise attack.

OR

The harbinger will launch 100 percent attack on Earth at First, conducting slow, precise abduction, studiyng potential
and gathering new and new knowledge about humans... and technologies.

After all, harbinger is only interested in us at first - Collectors, Kenson and Sovereign are died from our hand and rest of humanity were not involved in it (yes - fleets, but earth have done nothing, or we have flying planets now?)
Machine states that they have no feelings, pain and other... But harbinger clearly stated us as annoyance... It gives so many hints on it`s origin...

[ExtremeOne]

I wonder what you Earth haters would do if in real life Aliens invaded our planet with the goal of destroying us and the planet as well. Would you pick up a gun and whip ass or coward in a room and do nothing. Bioware made it clear in ME 1 what the galaxy thought of us humans and that is we are utter sh*t and garbage. Oh look big bad reapers roll in during ME 1 who's going to stop them a human called Shepard. then the Galaxy still treats us like sh*t when none of theme believe us about the threat they pose . Now in ME 3 the reapers come to Earth and you haters are pissed about that . Its real funny how you can be made about that . I will do what ever it takes to save humanity and Earth. If that means Aliens who are in the Citadel or through out the Galaxy die then so be it . Cerberus was right its time for us to stop being the Galaxy's b*tchs and start kicking ass and dominating. we have been treated like ass for 3 games now its time for Pay back .