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I wonder what you Earth haters would do if in real life Aliens invaded our planet with the goal of destroying us and the planet as well. Would you pick up a gun and whip ass or coward in a room and do nothing. Bioware made it clear in ME 1 what the galaxy thought of us humans and that is we are utter sh*t and garbage. Oh look big bad reapers roll in during ME 1 who's going to stop them a human called Shepard. then the Galaxy still treats us like sh*t when none of theme believe us about the threat they pose . Now in ME 3 the reapers come to Earth and you haters are pissed about that . Its real funny how you can be made about that . I will do what ever it takes to save humanity and Earth. If that means Aliens who are in the Citadel or through out the Galaxy die then so be it . Cerberus was right its time for us to stop being the Galaxy's b*tchs and start kicking ass and dominating. we have been treated like ass for 3 games now its time for Pay back .


When humans start looking out for themselves and exert their power on the galactic stage, they're aggresive racists and bigots. When the Turians do the same for a thousand years, it's the natural order of things and decent people should defend it.

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ExtremeOne wrote...
I wonder what you Earth haters would do if in real life Aliens invaded our planet with the goal of destroying us and the planet as well. Would you pick up a gun and whip ass or coward in a room and do nothing. Bioware made it clear in ME 1 what the galaxy thought of us humans and that is we are utter sh*t and garbage. Oh look big bad reapers roll in during ME 1 who's going to stop them a human called Shepard. then the Galaxy still treats us like sh*t when none of theme believe us about the threat they pose . Now in ME 3 the reapers come to Earth and you haters are pissed about that . Its real funny how you can be made about that . I will do what ever it takes to save humanity and Earth. If that means Aliens who are in the Citadel or through out the Galaxy die then so be it . Cerberus was right its time for us to stop being the Galaxy's b*tchs and start kicking ass and dominating. we have been treated like ass for 3 games now its time for Pay back .


You're missing the point, every species is looking out for their own interests. Fair enough I would expect nothing less, it's exactly what I would expect humans to be doing. However their is a difference between human importance and human dominance. One being acknowledging how much of driving force humanity is and what they can acomplish while giving them responsibilities to match. The other being strutting into a room proclaiming that you know best, telling everyone else they are doing it wrong and then saying that you are now the top dog and everyone has to listen to you... because you're human and your special.

Look at this from the councils perspective some hot shot race comes onto the scene with a similar penchant for combat as the Turians while being almost as upbeat as the Salarians. Hasn't really had this technology for all that long, so you have more or less an uplifted species on your hand that hasn't bombed itself back into the stone age yet. And now they are saying how they are special, know how to do things right and its their time to shine... give me a break. You're damn ****ing right I woudn't let them near the driver seat of the Bugati Veyron

Furthermore I don't know about anyone else here but its not so much Earth being attacked that bugs me its the importance placed on Earth. I mean it is no different from any other homeworld for any other species out there, but now the fate of the galaxy hinges on Earths survival because humans are special and Earth is the centre of the universe. Thats like saying Earths survival hinges on the survival of North America and without it, everything will degenerate into some sort of Mad Max scenario.

Ignoring logical reasons why the universe doesn't revolve around Earth. From a meer storytelling standpoint it is cliche and overdone and not to mention boring plot device. I've saved Earth soo many times it has lost all meaning; our cities in flames no longer provoke any reaction from me, our paradises turned into alien hell scapes don't even phase me in the slightest. Furthermore from the E.A. synopsis  basically reads like this; the always charismatic Shepard, ventures the galaxy to convince the various alien homeworlds to mount one final effort to retake Earth from the sinister Reaper menace. I'm sorry but that just seems like bad writing, and while I won't render final judgement until it out, I can safetly say that if that is the direction the plot takes then bad writing won't even begin to cover it; suffice is to say I have faith that Bioware can make a much better story than that, infact I know they can.

I mean the idea that Shepard just meanders through the galaxy telling aliens that they have to gather their fleets  which are almost certainly protecting their homeworlds and convince them that they need to help retake our homeworld because somehow saving Earth = the galaxies salvation, is just so eh. I can't even describe how revolting the ME story would become if that was the direction it took.

Modifié par Admoniter, 21 avril 2011 - 10:02 .


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ddv.rsa wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I wonder what you Earth haters would do if in real life Aliens invaded our planet with the goal of destroying us and the planet as well. Would you pick up a gun and whip ass or coward in a room and do nothing. Bioware made it clear in ME 1 what the galaxy thought of us humans and that is we are utter sh*t and garbage. Oh look big bad reapers roll in during ME 1 who's going to stop them a human called Shepard. then the Galaxy still treats us like sh*t when none of theme believe us about the threat they pose . Now in ME 3 the reapers come to Earth and you haters are pissed about that . Its real funny how you can be made about that . I will do what ever it takes to save humanity and Earth. If that means Aliens who are in the Citadel or through out the Galaxy die then so be it . Cerberus was right its time for us to stop being the Galaxy's b*tchs and start kicking ass and dominating. we have been treated like ass for 3 games now its time for Pay back .


When humans start looking out for themselves and exert their power on the galactic stage, they're aggresive racists and bigots. When the Turians do the same for a thousand years, it's the natural order of things and decent people should defend it.


 




 who cares about the racist or the bigot when Aliens are here to destroy us and Earth as well . You know Ken Johnson created a show in the 80's called V. In that show it had a Alien Invasion of Earth . The Aliens come to take our water and food and the food was us humans . Are you telling Me you would not be out to kick their ass and save humanity and our planet . Cerberus has it right  we have been the Galaxy's unwanted for years in ME . The reapers will not destroy Earth and humanity .  My Shepard will do what ever it takes to stop them 

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[Edit]: Fixed the spacing issue that came out of nowhere.

Admoniter wrote...

You're missing the point, every species is looking out for their own interests. Fair enough I would expect nothing less, it's exactly what I would expect humans to be doing. However their is a difference between human importance and human dominance. One being acknowledging how much of driving force humanity is and what they can acomplish while giving them responsibilities to match. The other being strutting into a room proclaiming that you know best, telling everyone else they are doing it wrong and then saying that you are now the top dog and everyone has to listen to you... because you're human and your special.

Look at this from the councils perspective some hot shot race comes onto the scene with a similar penchant for combat as the Turians while being almost as upbeat as the Salarians. Hasn't really had this technology for all that long, so you have more or less an uplifted species on your hand that hasn't bombed itself back into the stone age yet. And now they are saying how they are special, know how to do things right and its their time to shine... give me a break. You're damn ****ing right I woudn't let them near the driver seat of the Bugati Veyron

Furthermore I don't know about anyone else here but its not so much Earth being attacked that bugs me its the importance placed on Earth. I mean it is no different from any other homeworld for any other species out there, but now the fate of the galaxy hinges on Earths survival because humans are special and Earth is the centre of the universe. Thats like saying Earths survival hinges on the survival of North America and without it, everything will degenerate into some sort of Mad Max scenario.

Ignoring logical reasons why the universe doesn't revolve around Earth. From a meer storytelling standpoint it is cliche and overdone and not to mention boring plot device. I've saved Earth soo many times it has lost all meaning; our cities in flames no longer provoke any reaction from me, our paradises turned into alien hell scapes don't even phase me in the slightest. Furthermore from the E.A. synopsis  basically reads like this; the always charismatic Shepard, ventures the galaxy to convince the various alien homeworlds to mount one final effort to retake Earth from the sinister Reaper menace. I'm sorry but that just seems like bad writing, and while I won't render final judgement until it out, I can safetly say that if that is the direction the plot takes then bad writing won't even begin to cover it; suffice is to say I have faith that Bioware can make a much better story than that, infact I know they can.

I mean the idea that Shepard just meanders through the galaxy telling aliens that they have to gather their fleets  which are almost certainly protecting their homeworlds and convince them that they need to help retake our homeworld because somehow saving Earth = the galaxies salvation, is just so eh. I can't even describe how revolting the ME story would become if that was the direction it took.



It was one trailer, and announced as the starting point in the game. It's too soon to say that the game will revolve around saving Earth. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]

All the homeworlds are endangered and will need help, not just ours. I also don't think every Reaper is at Earth, just that it is under attack and a lot of Reapers are there. It's likely we'll engage other Reapers and their minions on other planets, lessening their burden and enabling them to contribute to the galactic defense.

Of course, with how little we know, I admit even that ^ is just ideas and 'could be's.

But, even if it was all focused around Earth then... yes, defeating them there would save the Galaxy. Defeating them anywhere would save the Galaxy, might as well defeat them where they're at. That doesn't automatically make Earth 'special'.

One could speculate that Earth was 'special' because the Reapers chose that as a first strike (if that's even the case) when they could have chosen anywhere else... but I think it's more like Shepard is special to them, and Shepard happens to be human and on Earth. If Shepard had been a Turian, Palaven likely would have been struck first.

It wasn't our special genetic code, or our special garden world, or our special personalities... no, Earth is going to suffer because an individual named Shepard pissed off the Reapers. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie] At least, that's the point of view from my own uninformed babbling.

Modifié par Witty_Remark, 21 avril 2011 - 11:32 .


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ExtremeOne wrote...
 who cares about the racist or the bigot when Aliens are here to destroy us and Earth as well . You know Ken Johnson created a show in the 80's called V. In that show it had a Alien Invasion of Earth . The Aliens come to take our water and food and the food was us humans . Are you telling Me you would not be out to kick their ass and save humanity and our planet . Cerberus has it right  we have been the Galaxy's unwanted for years in ME . The reapers will not destroy Earth and humanity .  My Shepard will do what ever it takes to stop them 

Okay, have any alien race besides the batarians actually behaved like this? Like they want to take over everything we have like some cliched movie villian?

I don't think so. It's more likely that Cerberus and all the other pre-human idiots are very delusional.
In fact, Cerberus is the reason for many alien races to take aggresive stances against humanity in the first place. Because Cerberus consists of narrow-minded, paranoid idiots.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 21 avril 2011 - 11:33 .


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[quote]Someone With Mass wrote...

Because Cerberus consists of narrow-minded, paranoid idiots.[/quote]
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Without whom every alien in the galaxy would already be doomed. Whatever you think of their motives, that is a fact.

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Yeah, oooooh, they brought back Shepard. Big deal. Any other faction could've done it if they had the same kind of resources. And their brains up their ass.

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Maybe they could have. But they didn't.

You know, every other species in the game has nationalist tendencies and looks out for their own interests first. Why is it somehow a flaw to do the same and be pro-human?

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ddv.rsa wrote...

Maybe they could have. But they didn't.

You know, every other species in the game has nationalist tendencies and looks out for their own interests first. Why is it somehow a flaw to do the same and be pro-human?

It's wrong when the same people wants to put every other nation out there under their boot for no good reason other than being power hungry douchebags.

I have nothing against making sure humanity is strong. But dominant? Why? Who gave us the right to go to this interstellar community consisting of serveral alien races that's been working just fine for thousands of years and try to take over?

Oh, and by the way, if any of the Council races wants to, they can bomb humanity back to the stone age without breaking a sweat.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

It's wrong when the same people wants to put every other nation out there under their boot for no good reason other than being power hungry douchebags.

I have nothing against making sure humanity is strong. But dominant? Why? Who gave us the right to go to this interstellar community consisting of serveral alien races that's been working just fine for thousands of years and try to take over?

Oh, and by the way, if any of the Council races wants to, they can bomb humanity back to the stone age without breaking a sweat.


Who gave the Turians the right to dominate the old order? And don't say they didn't, there were even laws in place limiting the naval strength of every other race in their favor.

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Who gave the Turians the right to dominate the old order? And don't say they didn't, there were even laws in place limiting the naval strength of every other race in their favor.


Because there was no "old order" when they arrived on the Citadel. Because the Council contacted them when they needed help with the krogan rebellions. The Council practically invited them in. There's a difference.

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The Turians leverage their military success into political clout and they're heroes. We do the same and we're douches. Right. The only difference is that they kept the Asari and Salarians around as stooges.

(and by the "old order" I mean the era from the end of the Krogan Rebellions to the end of ME1)

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The Turians leverage their military success into political clout and they're heroes. We do the same and we're douches. Right. The only difference is that they kept the Asari and Salarians around as stooges.

(and by the "old order" I mean the era from the end of the Krogan Rebellions to the end of ME1)


You know what else the turians did? Accepted the volus to be their client race, putting them under protection from any eventual threats in exchange for help with managing their economy. 

With people like Cerberus and Terra Firma, humanity would never be able to achieve something like that.

Which also contradicts the very reason we're going out in space in the first place.

Humanity could've done just fine with a group that isn't striving for dominance, but for the preservation of the human race instead. Like any other race and their special groups. 

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Yeah, oooooh, they brought back Shepard. Big deal. Any other faction could've done it if they had the same kind of resources. And their brains up their ass.


And you know that how, exactly? The Systems Alliance most certainly had a great deal more money than the Illusive Man... and yet they didn't bring Shepard back. They listed him as "MIA" and went about their business for two years, ignoring Collector attacks and pretending the Reapers didn't exist.

As explained by Miranda and TIM at the very beginning of ME2, only Cerberus knew that the Reapers were real and were the true threat to galactic life. I may not agree with TIM's methods, but you're damn right that I give him and Cerberus credit for bringing Shepard back.

Also, your "narrow-minded idiots" comment: So, Gardner, Donnelly, Daniels, Chambers, and the rest of the Lazarus Cell were all bigots? Get over yourself.

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Anyone who thinks the turrians wouldn't do what humanity did when placed in their shoes is delusional.

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Dave666 wrote...

Or the obvious answer...

They're taking their time and only killing those they have to (military), so that there will be more to gooify into new Reapers.


The more plausible alternative.


Seconded.