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[TUHD]

@jds1bio: why people (including me) are that negative about Laidlaw, is because he isn't only defending DA2 (which is understandable and not the problem in itself), but also tearing down DA:O's merits and then practically saying 'Deal with it' when asked a comment about the uproar about DAII.

@OP: *muses* Alright... we've been 3-4 weeks of both enormously criticizing as well as enormously praising the game... time to get back to the status quo and only discuss the storylines? Neither side will be convinced by the arguments of the others, so it's an stalemate when it comes to that - and since there's no serious reaction from Bioware here, it brings us nowhere...

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

He isn't always right, I'm sure. Is he right that DA2 is an improvement over DAO? Yes. Does DA2 still have flaws? Yes.

[FedericoV]

TUHD wrote...

@jds1bio: why people (including me) are that negative about Laidlaw, is because he isn't only defending DA2 (which is understandable and not the problem in itself), but also tearing down DA:O's merits and then practically saying 'Deal with it' when asked a comment about the uproar about DAII.

Honestly, I don't believe you. What he say does not matter to anyone. Haters needs a focus for their rants and have find one in Mike since he is in charge for the project. Have a nice time attacking him personally or petitioning for his retirement. At the beginning I find it disgusting but now I'm starting to enjoy that level of histerya.

[Everwarden]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
He isn't always right, I'm sure. Is he right that DA2 is an improvement over DAO? Yes.  

Not if sales are an indication. 

[TUHD]

FedericoV wrote...

TUHD wrote...

@jds1bio: why people (including me) are that negative about Laidlaw, is because he isn't only defending DA2 (which is understandable and not the problem in itself), but also tearing down DA:O's merits and then practically saying 'Deal with it' when asked a comment about the uproar about DAII.

Honestly, I don't believe you. What he say does not matter to anyone. Haters needs a focus for their rants and have find one in Mike since he is in charge for the project. Have a nice time attacking him personally or petitioning for his retirement. At the beginning I find it disgusting but now I'm starting to enjoy that level of histerya.

LMAO.... really... ok, you're one of the fanboys?

I meant what I said... whether or not you believe it is your case, but don't start that goddamn personal attack on me...

[MorrigansLove]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

He isn't always right, I'm sure. Is he right that DA2 is an improvement over DAO? Yes. Does DA2 still have flaws? Yes.

Yes, that's why DA2 has a score of 82, and origins has a score of 91 on metacritic which sums up all professional reviews. Oh, but the professionals must be trolling to say that Dragon Age 2 was more a 2 step backwards and 1 step forward, am I right? Just because you say Dragon Age 2 is an improvement, doesn't make it fact.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

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[FedericoV]

TUHD wrote...

LMAO.... really... ok, you're one of the fanboys?

I meant what I said... whether or not you believe it is your case, but don't start that goddamn personal attack on me...

Not a fanboy. Look at my posts. They are full of criticism. More than praise. It's only that I really do not like the trend of personal attacks against Laidlaw and I think that trying to justify it with what he says it's silly. DA2 has its good share of flaws and I believe that was a rushed game somewhat, but that has nothing to do with what Laidlaw say about Origins fault. Because, you know... Origins was not a perfect game. Not by a long margin.

Modifié par FedericoV, 19 avril 2011 - 07:43 .

[sevalaricgirl]

MorrigansLove wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

He is likely often wrong, and he'll admit it, in time. Right now it's just that he needs to sell this game, and you don't do that if the developer bashes it. Once we are closer to DA3 (if that's the next project, and not JE2), he might be quite open minded about what was wrong with DA2, or didn't work so well.

Unfortunately the game is selling very well and because it's selling very well, you'll not see him admit that anything was wrong with it.  Face it, the game was not meant for us hard core DAO fans.  It was meant to bring in new people to the Bioware customer list.

It's selling well? Well, that's news to me.

Didn't they sell a million copies in 2 weeks?  That is 60.00 x 1 million.  I'd say that's selling well even if it was 1 million in a month.  It's a new game.  How can you say it's not selling well.  You have no idea.

vizzos.com/2011/04/06/dragon-age-2-breaks-1-million-copies-sold-bioware-offers-up-incentive-for-purchases/

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 19 avril 2011 - 07:42 .

[sevalaricgirl]

Everwarden wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
He isn't always right, I'm sure. Is he right that DA2 is an improvement over DAO? Yes.  

Not if sales are an indication. 

1 Million copies in under 2 weeks is not selling well?  The games only been out for a little over a month.  It's ridiculous to say it's not selling well already.

[TUHD]

@Federico: Fair enough. Sure, there are a few true trolls out there. And yes, Laidlaw is an easier target. But by saying what he says, he gets the criticism.
@Sevalaric: wrongo. 400k+ of those are pre-orders. The first week DA2 still sold well, but after that it started a fast decline. http://social.biowar...5/index/6983266

[MorrigansLove]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

He is likely often wrong, and he'll admit it, in time. Right now it's just that he needs to sell this game, and you don't do that if the developer bashes it. Once we are closer to DA3 (if that's the next project, and not JE2), he might be quite open minded about what was wrong with DA2, or didn't work so well.

Unfortunately the game is selling very well and because it's selling very well, you'll not see him admit that anything was wrong with it.  Face it, the game was not meant for us hard core DAO fans.  It was meant to bring in new people to the Bioware customer list.

It's selling well? Well, that's news to me.

Didn't they sell a million copies in 2 weeks?  That is 60.00 x 1 million.  I'd say that's selling well even if it was 1 million in a month.  It's a new game.  How can you say it's not selling well.  You have no idea.

vizzos.com/2011/04/06/dragon-age-2-breaks-1-million-copies-sold-bioware-offers-up-incentive-for-purchases/

For an AAA title? I don't think so.

[Everwarden]

sevalaricgirl wrote...
1 Million copies in under 2 weeks is not selling well?  The games only been out for a little over a month.  It's ridiculous to say it's not selling well already.

The sales nosedived after week two, and due to bad word of mouth are extremely unlikely to recover. The 'million in two weeks' was half pre-orders, which is really just DA2 riding the momentum of a superior game.

[Lord Gremlin]

Well, they can put Gaider in charge instead and DA3 preorders will be sky-high.
I'm serious, people seem to hate Laidlaw but adore Gaider. Maybe because writers are the only people who did their job really well in this game.

[TUHD]

@Lord Gremlin: IMHO, not really... if you look at how inconsequent the story follows itself up from chapter to chapter...

[MorrigansLove]

TUHD wrote...

@Lord Gremlin: IMHO, not really... if you look at how inconsequent the story follows itself up from chapter to chapter...

Agreed. I thought the premise was great(yes, no more cliche save the world story!) but the execution was really dire, imo.

[zeejay21]

I say, vote (or don't vote) for Mike Laidlaw (Laid law, get it?) to NOT take charge of the next DA - or any upcoming DLCs and/or expansion packs.

[TUHD]

Like we get to vote for that.... LOL

[zeejay21]

Why not?

History shows that power is the people - aren't we not people?

[TUHD]

Yes.... but is Bioware/EA an democracy? That in itself should be your answer...

[FedericoV]

TUHD wrote...

@Lord Gremlin: IMHO, not really... if you look at how inconsequent the story follows itself up from chapter to chapter...

I do not believe that it's logically inconsequent but that's really something to talk about. Most criticism it's about gameplay features and while I think that there are reasonable concerns like the excessive recycle of maps, I also believe that DA2's weakest point (especially if we compared it to DA:O) is writing, story, lack of motivations and lack of "world changing" choices and consequences, especially in act. 3 (I save act. 2 somehow because the Qunari theme was well developed and the Arishock was a great charachter... even the whole act still suffered of a lack of proper roleplaying).

So, I'm not asking to give the "laidlaw treatment" to the writers. But if there is something that is dumbed down from DA:O to DA2 is the "writing". While many people seems so focused on silly issues like enemies spawning from nowhere or waves combat.

Modifié par FedericoV, 19 avril 2011 - 08:07 .

[jds1bio]

TUHD wrote...

Yes.... but is Bioware/EA an democracy? That in itself should be your answer...

Whether they are a democracy or a dictatorship, they still can't make people buy their games.

[TUHD]

@Federico: I've got nothing further to add to that, I agree.
@jds1bio: True - but unless gamers as a whole wouldn't buy any further copy of DA2 from now on (that includes DLC etc), I doubt BW would even consider replacing Laidlaw unless they've got an internal analysis that it should be better for themselves.

[zeejay21]

TUHD wrote...

Yes.... but is Bioware/EA an democracy? That in itself should be your answer...

Oh no, my good man. You know it's company and company LOVES people, don't they?