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[AkiKishi]

'pid strat guide and Amazon...

sorry one clicked the special for Dungeon Siege 3 without checking and it was bundled with the DA2 strat guide.

[Persephone]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Persephone, one party camp does not carry the same weight as a dungeon/sewer/warehouse/house reused ad infinitum. I do understand that you absolutely love DA 2, but why bash DA:O simply to emphasize that? I

The Mike Laidlaw school of game defence.

No. Simply stating that both games had their fair share of flaws. Long time overdue too.

Wilderness looks pretty much the same especially at night. Putting that on the same level as having corpses on the floor for years without them being cleaned up or rotting, well that's just not even comparable.

No, it doesn't look the same in each and every part of the country, no does every clearing look the same. (Exact same layout, trees etc.)

As for corpses, couldn't care less.

Nitpicking sure is fun. Be it in DAO or DAII.

[AkiKishi]

[quote]Persephone wrote...

Wilderness looks pretty much the same especially at night. Putting that on the same level as having corpses on the floor for years without them being cleaned up or rotting, well that's just not even comparable. [/quote]

No, it doesn't look the same in each and every part of the country, no does every clearing look the same. (Exact same layout, trees etc.)

As for corpses, couldn't care less.

Nitpicking sure is fun. Be it in DAO or DAII.



[/quote]

Huh huh.

There is nothing nitpicking about non rotting corpses and a static scenery that stays the same over a number of years.

[fightright2]

Couldn't they have just broken the map and rearrange the parts of caves or mansion rooms?
I kept getting lost since I have memory of going to some areas previously. And yes, the stupid blocked off rock door got me confused when I actually walked up to it and saw that it can open, when all others were blocked off.
Reused maps to this degree reminds me of the days of atari when I would play "Adventure". Same rooms, same rooms, just keep track of where you been by making a run through system of sequence.

(sighs)

[Persephone]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Huh huh.

There is nothing nitpicking about non rotting corpses and a static scenery that stays the same over a number of years.

Like the party camp stays the same everywhere, like Denerim doesn't change AT ALL in over a year (Having the former regent with me made zilch difference in that drab place......and that should be a HUGE impact, given Loggy's fame...not even the Captain of the Guard in Denerim reacted. I could still do Couldry's Steal Loghain's crown quest, WITH Loghain present and his own employee never aknowledged his former master being with me!).....all of this can be applied on DAO just as easily.

Modifié par Persephone, 19 avril 2011 - 12:25 .

[Dubya75]

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Huh huh.

There is nothing nitpicking about non rotting corpses and a static scenery that stays the same over a number of years.

Like the party camp stays the same everywhere, like Denerim doesn't change AT ALL in over a year (Having the former regent with me made zilch difference in that drab place......and that should be a HUGE impact, given Loggy's fame...not even the Captain of the Guard in Denerim reacted. I could still do Couldry's Steal Loghain's crown quest, WITH Loghain present and his own employee never aknowledged his former master being with me!).....all of this can be applied on DAO just as easily.

But don't you realise Persephone, people are not interested in fair critisism. The wave of "bash DA2" have swept them all away! They're doing it for the sake of it.

[AkiKishi]

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Huh huh.

There is nothing nitpicking about non rotting corpses and a static scenery that stays the same over a number of years.

Like the party camp stays the same everywhere, like Denerim doesn't change AT ALL in over a year (Having the former regent with me made zilch difference in that drab place......and that should be a HUGE impact, given Loggy's fame...not even the Captain of the Guard in Denerim reacted. I could still do Couldry's Steal Loghain's crown quest, WITH Loghain present and his own employee never aknowledged his former master being with me!).....all of this can be applied on DAO just as easily.

And if the whole of DA was confined to Denerim  then it may have been as bad as it was in DA2.

[Persephone]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Huh huh.

There is nothing nitpicking about non rotting corpses and a static scenery that stays the same over a number of years.

Like the party camp stays the same everywhere, like Denerim doesn't change AT ALL in over a year (Having the former regent with me made zilch difference in that drab place......and that should be a HUGE impact, given Loggy's fame...not even the Captain of the Guard in Denerim reacted. I could still do Couldry's Steal Loghain's crown quest, WITH Loghain present and his own employee never aknowledged his former master being with me!).....all of this can be applied on DAO just as easily.

And if the whole of DA was confined to Denerim  then it may have been as bad as it was in DA2.

Things like that happened EVERYWHERE. But keep your rose tinted glasses on, they suit you.

C'mon, Bob, extremes aren't convincing anyone.

[nopho]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
That was the only recycled map I didn't notice, as well. Probably because it was "artfully" done...

Wonder whos idea the giant concrete blocks and not altering the mini map was. If that was artful I'd hate to see what they call a rush job.

Probably the same guy who sculpted the Michelangelo

yeah, the Michelangelo from the turtles at best, 'cause he looks exactly like the others.´

[Maverick827]

Corto81 wrote...

I know it's been said a million times, but I'll say it again:

I cannot believe someone "okayed" this. I cannot believe Bioware, after all these years, would treat their audience like they're 8-year olds.

To which people like you responded, ingeniously, like eight-year-olds.

[Persephone]

Dubya75 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Huh huh.

There is nothing nitpicking about non rotting corpses and a static scenery that stays the same over a number of years.

Like the party camp stays the same everywhere, like Denerim doesn't change AT ALL in over a year (Having the former regent with me made zilch difference in that drab place......and that should be a HUGE impact, given Loggy's fame...not even the Captain of the Guard in Denerim reacted. I could still do Couldry's Steal Loghain's crown quest, WITH Loghain present and his own employee never aknowledged his former master being with me!).....all of this can be applied on DAO just as easily.

But don't you realise Persephone, people are not interested in fair critisism. The wave of "bash DA2" have swept them all away! They're doing it for the sake of it.

Some of them, yes.

I'm through with accepting DAO getting almost worship like lenience and DAII being bashed for things that are generously overlooked in its predecessor because DAO was ah so epic and awzum and a "true" RPG.

Meanwhile, I'll play a true RPG, Might and Magic VI. Which has no decisions. All NPCs look the same & wear the same. Dungeons are lookalikes, companions...er...hirelings have no personality and there are no consequences to anything.

OMG, this classic is NOT a true RPG. A delusion of 13 years has been shattered!

[Persephone]

nopho wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
That was the only recycled map I didn't notice, as well. Probably because it was "artfully" done...

Wonder whos idea the giant concrete blocks and not altering the mini map was. If that was artful I'd hate to see what they call a rush job.

Probably the same guy who sculpted the Michelangelo

yeah, the Michelangelo from the turtles at best, 'cause he looks exactly like the others.´

Eh....

Michelangelo was a SCULPTOR, not a sculpture.

If people must bash DAII based on cultural references to look witty, get them RIGHT!

[nopho]

Persephone wrote...

nopho wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
That was the only recycled map I didn't notice, as well. Probably because it was "artfully" done...

Wonder whos idea the giant concrete blocks and not altering the mini map was. If that was artful I'd hate to see what they call a rush job.

Probably the same guy who sculpted the Michelangelo

yeah, the Michelangelo from the turtles at best, 'cause he looks exactly like the others.´

Eh....

Michelangelo was a SCULPTOR, not a sculpture.

If people must bash DAII based on cultural references to look witty, get them RIGHT!

i know, would just hve not been funny that way.

[Dubya75]

nopho wrote...

Persephone wrote...

nopho wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
That was the only recycled map I didn't notice, as well. Probably because it was "artfully" done...

Wonder whos idea the giant concrete blocks and not altering the mini map was. If that was artful I'd hate to see what they call a rush job.

Probably the same guy who sculpted the Michelangelo

yeah, the Michelangelo from the turtles at best, 'cause he looks exactly like the others.´

Eh....

Michelangelo was a SCULPTOR, not a sculpture.

If people must bash DAII based on cultural references to look witty, get them RIGHT!

i know, would just hve not been funny that way.

LOL, stealth effort in back-paddling there!  

[Dubya75]

Persephone wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Huh huh.

There is nothing nitpicking about non rotting corpses and a static scenery that stays the same over a number of years.

Like the party camp stays the same everywhere, like Denerim doesn't change AT ALL in over a year (Having the former regent with me made zilch difference in that drab place......and that should be a HUGE impact, given Loggy's fame...not even the Captain of the Guard in Denerim reacted. I could still do Couldry's Steal Loghain's crown quest, WITH Loghain present and his own employee never aknowledged his former master being with me!).....all of this can be applied on DAO just as easily.

But don't you realise Persephone, people are not interested in fair critisism. The wave of "bash DA2" have swept them all away! They're doing it for the sake of it.

Some of them, yes.

I'm through with accepting DAO getting almost worship like lenience and DAII being bashed for things that are generously overlooked in its predecessor because DAO was ah so epic and awzum and a "true" RPG.

Meanwhile, I'll play a true RPG, Might and Magic VI. Which has no decisions. All NPCs look the same & wear the same. Dungeons are lookalikes, companions...er...hirelings have no personality and there are no consequences to anything.

OMG, this classic is NOT a true RPG. A delusion of 13 years has been shattered!

That's a....BINGO!

[Persephone]

Dubya75 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Huh huh.

There is nothing nitpicking about non rotting corpses and a static scenery that stays the same over a number of years.

Like the party camp stays the same everywhere, like Denerim doesn't change AT ALL in over a year (Having the former regent with me made zilch difference in that drab place......and that should be a HUGE impact, given Loggy's fame...not even the Captain of the Guard in Denerim reacted. I could still do Couldry's Steal Loghain's crown quest, WITH Loghain present and his own employee never aknowledged his former master being with me!).....all of this can be applied on DAO just as easily.

But don't you realise Persephone, people are not interested in fair critisism. The wave of "bash DA2" have swept them all away! They're doing it for the sake of it.

Some of them, yes.

I'm through with accepting DAO getting almost worship like lenience and DAII being bashed for things that are generously overlooked in its predecessor because DAO was ah so epic and awzum and a "true" RPG.

Meanwhile, I'll play a true RPG, Might and Magic VI. Which has no decisions. All NPCs look the same & wear the same. Dungeons are lookalikes, companions...er...hirelings have no personality and there are no consequences to anything.

OMG, this classic is NOT a true RPG. A delusion of 13 years has been shattered!

That's a....BINGO!

It is a shame though. I LOVE DAO to bits. And I have been a tad harsh towards it lately. But if the DAII bashing has done anything, it has opened my eyes to just how flawed DAO actually is.

Lotsa...

"Hey...the same could be said for this and that in Origins. Never noticed that. Damn!" moments.

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

nopho wrote...

Persephone wrote...

nopho wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
That was the only recycled map I didn't notice, as well. Probably because it was "artfully" done...

Wonder whos idea the giant concrete blocks and not altering the mini map was. If that was artful I'd hate to see what they call a rush job.

Probably the same guy who sculpted the Michelangelo

yeah, the Michelangelo from the turtles at best, 'cause he looks exactly like the others.´

Eh....

Michelangelo was a SCULPTOR, not a sculpture.

If people must bash DAII based on cultural references to look witty, get them RIGHT!

i know, would just hve not been funny that way.

This.

And besides, at least Michelangelo had a different colored bandana to tell him apart from the others

Oh please. It's not funny at all. It's like saying....

"Why does this music piece sound like crap?"

"Must have been composed by the same dude who composed "Britney Spears", duh!"

I beg your pardon, Michelangelo!

[AkiKishi]

Persephone wrote...
Things like that happened EVERYWHERE. But keep your rose tinted glasses on, they suit you.

C'mon, Bob, extremes aren't convincing anyone.

Nothing extreme about it. In DA2 everything is in or around Kirkwall. In DA you have a variety of places to go. Yes DA repeats stuff , but in a far less obvious manner because it's not the only thing to see in the game.

This sums up your argument.

Persephone wrote...
As for corpses, couldn't care less.

You don't care about anything beyond making DA2 not look like a failure.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 19 avril 2011 - 01:14 .

[nopho]

oh just to make that clear, i am/was aware that the ninja-turtles are named after artists not after their creations. but the comparison between an brilliant artitst and a simple block in a door (eventhough meant sarcastic i guess) just let me not resist.

and "yeah michelangelo from the turtles at best because they just got 3 fingers and those are to clumsy to draw that way" wouldn't have sounded that funny...in my eyes

[Persephone]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
As for corpses, couldn't care less.

You don't care about anything beyond making DA2 not look like a failure.

Remember what I said about extremes, Bobby dear?

Do NOT presume you know anything about me or my motivations.

Do NOT give me the "You'd luff DAII no matter what" nonsense.

And do NOT get personal with me. We are discussing a game, not your mind reading abilities.

Modifié par Persephone, 19 avril 2011 - 01:20 .

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Remind me never to get on your bad side again. And I think Michelangelo's an amazing sculptor, BTW. I was just being sarcastic, Perse.

As was I.

But you know I luff ya anyway. Flaws and all. Hope it's the same for you.

[MorrigansLove]

Hmmm.