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[AlexXIV]

Wulfram wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Is there a reason every thread I make turns into a debate? 0.o

You make interesting threads?

Guess he wants an easy answer. Sorry, but that's not going to happen.

[Gamer Ftw]

Well for one my Hawke isn't close with his mother.
He never forgave her for turning on him when Carver died.
and I personally couldn't relate to her either.

[Icy Magebane]

AlexXIV wrote...

Point is, if Hawke dies, Leandra loses one more child. If both die, Leandra loses the last two children. Would you do that to your mother? I didn't take Bethany into the deep roads because I didn't want to do that to Hawke's mother. Even more when I knew that if I took Bethany I would return without her for sure. No matter if she is Grey Warden or dead.

If that's the case, then the only time she should be in the active party is when you're shopping for new armor in Lowtown.  This isn't the only brother-sister team out there... 

[AlexXIV]

Icy Magebane wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Point is, if Hawke dies, Leandra loses one more child. If both die, Leandra loses the last two children. Would you do that to your mother? I didn't take Bethany into the deep roads because I didn't want to do that to Hawke's mother. Even more when I knew that if I took Bethany I would return without her for sure. No matter if she is Grey Warden or dead.

If that's the case, then the only time she should be in the active party is when you're shopping for new armor in Lowtown.  This isn't the only brother-sister team out there... 

Just Hawke doesn't really need her. There are enough options.

And I agree she shouldn't ever be in the party if Hawke can help it.

At least if Hawke is the protective type. I always assume that.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 19 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[Icy Magebane]

I think that both viewpoints are valid. It makes sense if you take Bethany or not. Most of this game is on rails, but there is a small window where you can rp a little. I say, why limit yourself when you have one of those rare opportunities?

[Andronic0s]

I did not took her the first time because of Leandra words, I thought they screamed FORESHADOWING and so decided to keep her home.

[Wulfram]

AlexXIV wrote...

Point is, if Hawke dies, Leandra loses one more child. If both die, Leandra loses the last two children. Would you do that to your mother? I didn't take Bethany into the deep roads because I didn't want to do that to Hawke's mother. Even more when I knew that if I took Bethany I would return without her for sure. No matter if she is Grey Warden or dead.

Bethany isn't a spare Hawke, there only to comfort Mum if you die.  She's brave and skilled, and has as much right to risk herself to secure their future as her elder sibling.

[AlexXIV]

Wulfram wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Point is, if Hawke dies, Leandra loses one more child. If both die, Leandra loses the last two children. Would you do that to your mother? I didn't take Bethany into the deep roads because I didn't want to do that to Hawke's mother. Even more when I knew that if I took Bethany I would return without her for sure. No matter if she is Grey Warden or dead.

Bethany isn't a spare Hawke, there only to comfort Mum if you die.  She's brave and skilled, and has as much right to risk herself to secure their future as her elder sibling.

Does she? Well, you're making all the choices for her, not she.

[TheAwesomologist]

You know what's sad? This is one of the few meaningful choices you have in the game. Bethany is just so sad and mopey as a Grey Warden, unlike Carver who sees it as an opportunity to be out of your shadow.
I still don't understand why she turns herself in. I also wish I could kill Cullen right then. Damn plot armor... I just wrecked a rock wraith and I'm not allowed to beat some sense into that ******? Ugh...

[AlexXIV]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

You know what's sad? This is one of the few meaningful choices you have in the game. Bethany is just so sad and mopey as a Grey Warden, unlike Carver who sees it as an opportunity to be out of your shadow.
I still don't understand why she turns herself in. I also wish I could kill Cullen right then. Damn plot armor... I just wrecked a rock wraith and I'm not allowed to beat some sense into that ******? Ugh...

She doesn't turn herself in, she just doesn't resist. And neither does Hawke or Leandra.

[TheAwesomologist]

AlexXIV wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

You know what's sad? This is one of the few meaningful choices you have in the game. Bethany is just so sad and mopey as a Grey Warden, unlike Carver who sees it as an opportunity to be out of your shadow.
I still don't understand why she turns herself in. I also wish I could kill Cullen right then. Damn plot armor... I just wrecked a rock wraith and I'm not allowed to beat some sense into that ******? Ugh...

She doesn't turn herself in, she just doesn't resist. And neither does Hawke or Leandra.

I'm pretty sure Cullen says that you're lucky she turned herself in or everyone would have been arrested for harboring an apostate.

[TobiTobsen]

AlexXIV wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

You know what's sad? This is one of the few meaningful choices you have in the game. Bethany is just so sad and mopey as a Grey Warden, unlike Carver who sees it as an opportunity to be out of your shadow.
I still don't understand why she turns herself in. I also wish I could kill Cullen right then. Damn plot armor... I just wrecked a rock wraith and I'm not allowed to beat some sense into that ******? Ugh...

She doesn't turn herself in, she just doesn't resist. And neither does Hawke or Leandra.

First sings of Hawkes dominant behaviour. Apathy = Win

[rcollins1701]

I took her with me everywhere before the Deep Roads. I left her behind partially because of Leandra's words, but also because Hawke knew that the Deep Roads presented a danger far beyond that of any of the other quests I had gone on. We did just flee from the Fifth Blight less than a year previous. The Blight destroyed half of Ferelden on the surface, the prospect of taking her down where the Darkspawn live, seemed foolhardy and reckless to say the least. Wesley showed us the dangers of the Darkspawn corruption.

It wasn't that leaving her behind was safe, it's just that Hawke felt it was safER than the Deep Roads. That being said, I would have slaughtered Cullen and everyone else had I the option upon returning.

Modifié par rcollins1701, 19 avril 2011 - 03:01 .

[Herr Uhl]

rcollins1701 wrote...

It wasn't that leaving her behind was safe, it's just that Hawke felt it was safER than the Deep Roads. That being said, I would have slaughtered Cullen and everyone else had I the option upon returning.

That would result in a dead Hawke or a radically changed plotline.

[rcollins1701]

Herr Uhl wrote...

rcollins1701 wrote...

It wasn't that leaving her behind was safe, it's just that Hawke felt it was safER than the Deep Roads. That being said, I would have slaughtered Cullen and everyone else had I the option upon returning.

That would result in a dead Hawke…

Oh, I have no doubt about that!

[MrCairo]

Either way it doesn't matter, you lose her anyway.

[Ensgnblack]

Bobad wrote...

My Hawke took her along in my first playthrough because they had grown very close after Carver's death, with the bond reinforced during the events of the Birthright quest, he was then devastated to read on the internet that he should also have taken Anders to the Deep Roads.

Well played, serrah.

Modifié par Ensgnblack, 19 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[Dragonslayr09]

Hawke's refusal to see his sister imprisoned in the Circle under a tyrranical Templar leadership plus he was confident he'd watch over her. An understandable situation.

Modifié par Dragonslayr09, 19 avril 2011 - 04:17 .

[Asdara]

Y'know, and I'm not going to quote anyone here because there's been a lot said, it doesn't strike me that Thedas is the kind of place where you can get away with coddling people.

It's not our job to keep Bethany from ever coming to harm - people die all the time in Thedas. There was a Blight that took half a country quite recently. Demons are about. Bastards on the streets will kill you for your coin purse after dark. This isn't suburbia we're talking about here where it makes great sense.

Taking Bethany with you might not be perfect for her survival odds right up front - but you're going with a 50 or so people (who we barely see any of) and you're going in the capacity of a funding partner and general competent person, not a darkspawn clearing crew. Granted, that's what we end up as, but we don't sign up for that ahead of time. It would be good for her to get some survival experience if she's going to be a life-long apostate. Big brother or sister is not going to be around forever.

[AlexXIV]

Another question would be, if Hawke feared the templars more than the deeproads, why did they stay in Kirkwall? They could have went back to Ferelden after the Blight. And my Warden and Alistair would have been nicer than Meredith or Orsino.

[TobiTobsen]

AlexXIV wrote...

Another question would be, if Hawke feared the templars more than the deeproads, why did they stay in Kirkwall? They could have went back to Ferelden after the Blight. And my Warden and Alistair would have been nicer than Meredith or Orsino.

The Bioqun demands it!

[Robhuzz]

Andronic0s wrote...

I did not took her the first time because of Leandra words, I thought they screamed FORESHADOWING and so decided to keep her home.

Same here, without looking up spoilers I took bethany (but not anders) with me to the deep roads. Went past the monsterous spider but I couldn't keep thinking about what mother said. I couldn't shake the feeling something bad was going to happen to bethany. So Hawke spotted a strange button hovering in the air and when he pressed it he appeared in front of bartrand again. This time he decided to leave bethany behind and take anders instead. Now if only he could've killed the templars that came for bethany once he returned, I would've been very satisfied.

[Asdara]

It would have put a very interesting spin on the whole game's play out if we could have killed the Templars in our home, screaming "Run" at Bethany to go live on her own as an apostate. Getting letters from her now and then, our mom wondering why she has to be without us and how if we went to find her we'd just lead the Templars straight from Kirkwall to her. Finding out maybe she gets captured and killed by Templars for being out on the run - dealing with that instead of the whole : death or Grey Warden choice we seem to only get so they can make a cameo.

[HAM Hawke]

Wulfram wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Is there a reason every thread I make turns into a debate? 0.o

You make interesting threads?

http://social.biowar...4/index/7047712

Interesting Thread^^

[Maria Caliban]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
What reason would Hawke have to take his sister to the deep roads?

from a roleplaying point of view.

Heal. Elemental Weapon. Heroic Aura.

The assumption when going into the Deep Roads is that it will be dangerous. Bethany's magic is useful.

Anders might be a Grey Warden, but he's also 1) an abomination, and 2) ran from his duties. At the end of Act 1, Hawke might not trust him enough to take him.