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[Dante Angelo]

I didn't like Sebastian he seemed to preachy to me. Especially in some of the party banter he has with Fenris.Going into this game I thought I was going to like Sebastian and Anders and I ended up hating them. I ended up liking Fenris more than both of them combined

[_purifico_]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I really just wanted to smack Sebastian for saying he would return and raze Kirkwall to the ground for me letting Anders live.

I also wanted to quote Elthina, "Death is never justice"

He's my least favorite character, but that doesn't really mean much, as I don't hate him. I enjoyed his character all the way up until he said he would burn Kirkwall as well as kill Anders. I can understand the want for vengeance against... .well.... Vengeance, but I really would have liked to be able to quote Elthina on that.

There didn't have to be an immediate effect, but maybe in the DLC regarding Sebastian that's coming up (a dev said a while back his story isn't over yet) it would've influence him in some way.

I seriously doubt that he will start a war with Kirkwall on his own. He might join (and most likely will) the exaltd march, or he might hunt down and kill anders. Which is a shame, because if he really wants to make the freak suffer he should let him live or hand him over to the Templars so that they could tranquilize him

[Rifneno]

TobiTobsen wrote...

The point where he really earned my disfavour was in the questline where Leandra get's kidnapped. Every companion understands it when I use blood magic to save my mother. Even Fenris, Anders and Aveline. The only one who actually gets rivalry from that is Sebastian. What the hell does he think I should do? Run through Lowtown at night, calling Leandras name? And that after I helped him with his own family... "problems". He of all people should understand that Hawke doesn't want to find his mothers bones somewhere in the gutter.

This, so much this.  Sebastian is a self-centered piece of garbage. He should've been with his family when Flint Company paid them a visit.  Failing that, he needs to be in the Chantry when Anders does his thing.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Filament wrote...

Hm, I thought Sebastian was a nice guy. Polite, and such. Not an opinionated extremist. Yeah, he wants the blood of the people who murdered his family and the blood of the person (abomination) who murdered someone he cares for like family (among others), but I don't see either of those as being particularly unreasonable.

No, it's not unreasonable (aside from the previous discussions about doing it his self), what was unreasonable was his threat to destory Kirkwall with Starkhaven's armies if Hawke didn't do something. He tried to hold a private citizen (Champion does not seem to be an offical position with power/authority, just a title with respect) responsable as though he/she was the Viscount while threatening a city and it's people if the judgment isn't to his liking. That's what pissed me off. If he just said he would hunt down and kill Anders (or even 'and Hawke') if we didn't, I'd have no real issue with him there.

[TEWR]

_purifico_ wrote...


I seriously doubt that he will start a war with Kirkwall on his own. He might join (and most likely will) the exaltd march, or he might hunt down and kill anders.
 

one can only hope he doesn't start a war on his own.

Which is a shame, because if he really wants to make the freak suffer he should let him live or hand him over to the Templars so that they could tranquilize him

that would definitely make Anders miserable considering he wants to die, but you know Vengeance wouldn't let Tranquility and maybe even death happen.

Or they taunt Anders with a cat saying "Here you go! No you can't have him. Just kidding! Nope sorry!

[Dante Angelo]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or they taunt Anders with a cat saying "Here you go! No you can't have him. Just kidding! Nope sorry!

I hate Anders but that just seems too cruel to me

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
that would definitely make Anders miserable considering he wants to die, but you know Vengeance wouldn't let Tranquility and maybe even death happen. 

Or they taunt Anders with a cat saying "Here you go! No you can't have him. Just kidding! Nope sorry!

Hey, don't bring a poor helpless animal into it.  

I have to wonder if people are really serious that they think he should be made tranquil.  He can't be because he's possessed, but still.  There's nothing to be gained by being a vengeful douche.  I know I've said similar stuff about a few templars and Elthina just out of anger, but if actually faced with the choice I'd never do more than execute them.  Death may be justice, but utterly pointless suffering isn't.  And if he was made tranquil, I guarantee it'd increase the chances that his wish of being viewed as a martyr would be more likely to occur given how his view of tranquility is shared by many mages.

[The Angry One]

Dante Angelo wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or they taunt Anders with a cat saying "Here you go! No you can't have him. Just kidding! Nope sorry!

I hate Anders but that just seems too cruel to me

There's no need to involve an actual cat.
Just do this.

Hawke: "Oh, Anders. One last thing. I sent a letter to Amaranthine to see if I could arrange to get Ser Pounce-a-Lot back for you. It worked! Ser Pounce-a-Lot was sent to Kirkwall."

Anders: "Really!? Where is he?"

Hawke: "I left him in the Chantry."

Anders: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

[Dante Angelo]

The Angry One wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or they taunt Anders with a cat saying "Here you go! No you can't have him. Just kidding! Nope sorry!

I hate Anders but that just seems too cruel to me

There's no need to involve an actual cat.
Just do this.

Hawke: "Oh, Anders. One last thing. I sent a letter to Amaranthine to see if I could arrange to get Ser Pounce-a-Lot back for you. It worked! Ser Pounce-a-Lot was sent to Kirkwall."

Anders: "Really!? Where is he?"

Hawke: "I left him in the Chantry."

Anders: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

That seems much less cruel. I'd definately consider doing that

[Wulfram]

I'd only really hold Sebastian's threats against him if he actually goes through with them. I can't see him doing so, once his anger has cooled a little. Particularly since most Hawkes who spared Anders will likely have been booted out of the city anyway.

[Dante Angelo]

Wulfram wrote...

I'd only really hold Sebastian's threats against him if he actually goes through with them. I can't see him doing so, once his anger has cooled a little. Particularly since most Hawkes who spared Anders will likely have been booted out of the city anyway.

Not only that but Sebastian seems like he can never make up his mind

[TEWR]

The Angry One wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or they taunt Anders with a cat saying "Here you go! No you can't have him. Just kidding! Nope sorry!

I hate Anders but that just seems too cruel to me

There's no need to involve an actual cat.
Just do this.

Hawke: "Oh, Anders. One last thing. I sent a letter to Amaranthine to see if I could arrange to get Ser Pounce-a-Lot back for you. It worked! Ser Pounce-a-Lot was sent to Kirkwall."

Anders: "Really!? Where is he?"

Hawke: "I left him in the Chantry."

Anders: "MAKER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

And now the Mage-Templar war isn't about freedom for mages, the end of a tyrannical empire, the end of persecution, restoring what should be, or anything else Mage/Templar/Chantry related.

It is about justice for poor Ser Pounce-a-Lot. Thedas will mourn the loss of such a brave feline.


Oh and fixed (Or as I said in another thread where the Fex came into play, Fexed).


EDIT: Personally I never kill Anders, and would never want to see him made Tranquil. At first I didn't agree with him playing Jenga, but later on I saw that his Jenga playing was right, even if I think Elthina didn't have to die.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[Maria Caliban]

Sammyjb wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Yep. As wishy-washy as Alistair was, he had no qualms about killing Loghain himself. His conviction was limited to whining for the Warden to kill Loghain.

As I just watched/been re-reading A Game of Thrones, this quote was fresh on my mind during the Act III scene:
"If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die."

I believe the quote from the TV premiere was "The man who passes the sentence must be willing to swing the sword."

GRRM is a good writer. As such, it's very easy for him to present something that's bad on a practical level as being noble or honorable.

The reason the modern justice system separates judges and executioner is because if you combine the two, people who are inclined to be merciful will not seek a position of judgement while those who enjoy killing others will.

[berelinde]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I'd only really hold Sebastian's threats against him if he actually goes through with them. I can't see him doing so, once his anger has cooled a little. Particularly since most Hawkes who spared Anders will likely have been booted out of the city anyway.

Not only that but Sebastian seems like he can never make up his mind

Yeah, that was my mage-friendly Hawke's view on Sebastian's resolution.

"Give him a few days. Something shiny will come along and distract him."

By the end of the game, mage Hawke considered Sebastian's solemn vows about as inflexible as Isabela's morals. Though Isabela's adventures were far more entertaining.

[Aoba]

The Angry One wrote...

Hawke: "Oh, Anders. One last thing. I sent a letter to Amaranthine to see if I could arrange to get Ser Pounce-a-Lot back for you. It worked! Ser Pounce-a-Lot was sent to Kirkwall."

Anders: "Really!? Where is he?"

Hawke: "I left him in the Chantry."

Anders: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

I lol'd.

See, even those of us who simply adore Anders to bits can still laugh at his expense. Unfortunately, because of it, I've surely guaranteed myself a spot in Hell. Better start stocking up on marshmallows and suntan lotion! I wonder if they've got SPF 50,000,000,000 in stock? Hmm...

[Torax]

Skipping out on recruiting Sebastian mostly just means missing out on added money and experience. About all it means to me. Plus he is the only logical person during the Meredith & Orsino argument.

"Why are we debating the Right of Annulment when the monster that did this is right here?"

[Alex Kershaw]

I don't have the DLC and never met him

[stobie]

It's worth a try! I have to say - he is a very illuminating character. I liked his looks, loved his voice, and by the end of the game, I wanted him dead. So looks aren't everything, I guess. And voices - normally, a good voice can make up for any amount of dullness. Guess that has a limit, too.

[stobie]

Rifneno wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

The point where he really earned my disfavour was in the questline where Leandra get's kidnapped. Every companion understands it when I use blood magic to save my mother. Even Fenris, Anders and Aveline. The only one who actually gets rivalry from that is Sebastian. What the hell does he think I should do? Run through Lowtown at night, calling Leandras name? And that after I helped him with his own family... "problems". He of all people should understand that Hawke doesn't want to find his mothers bones somewhere in the gutter.

This, so much this.  Sebastian is a self-centered piece of garbage. He should've been with his family when Flint Company paid them a visit.  Failing that, he needs to be in the Chantry when Anders does his thing.

They drew him to be a hero. They voiced him like a hero.  But the reality is, he seeks vengeance against those hired to kill his family, by putting a note on a board, then waiting around in the chantry for someone else to do it.  When he finds out who was behind it, he needs my lady-hawke mage to walk in front of him, lest his precious line be lost, then vows to eternal chastity as Andraste's born-again-virgin husband, or whatever.  

You can say someone's a hero, but you have to show them being heroic, and I don't see that they've done this. 

[stobie]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

I don't have the DLC and never met him

You know those guys that come in pods to your home, and try to talk to you about Eternity?  And you say you're busy, or dead, or coughing up blood, or something?  But they still find time to stuff a pamphlet into your hands that warns of your eternal misery should you not accept the lions & lamb pictures drawn badly within? 

Then you've met him.

[Dante Angelo]

stobie wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

I don't have the DLC and never met him

You know those guys that come in pods to your home, and try to talk to you about Eternity?  And you say you're busy, or dead, or coughing up blood, or something?  But they still find time to stuff a pamphlet into your hands that warns of your eternal misery should you not accept the lions & lamb pictures drawn badly within? 

Then you've met him.

LOL thats the perfect way to explain him

[Torax]

Companions are hardly ever heroic. If they were truly heroes in their own right. They wouldn't need the player character to help them ever...

[Icy Magebane]

stobie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

The point where he really earned my disfavour was in the questline where Leandra get's kidnapped. Every companion understands it when I use blood magic to save my mother. Even Fenris, Anders and Aveline. The only one who actually gets rivalry from that is Sebastian. What the hell does he think I should do? Run through Lowtown at night, calling Leandras name? And that after I helped him with his own family... "problems". He of all people should understand that Hawke doesn't want to find his mothers bones somewhere in the gutter.

This, so much this.  Sebastian is a self-centered piece of garbage. He should've been with his family when Flint Company paid them a visit.  Failing that, he needs to be in the Chantry when Anders does his thing.

They drew him to be a hero. They voiced him like a hero.  But the reality is, he seeks vengeance against those hired to kill his family, by putting a note on a board, then waiting around in the chantry for someone else to do it.  When he finds out who was behind it, he needs my lady-hawke mage to walk in front of him, lest his precious line be lost, then vows to eternal chastity as Andraste's born-again-virgin husband, or whatever.  

You can say someone's a hero, but you have to show them being heroic, and I don't see that they've done this. 

  So what, it's supposed to be a simple matter for one low-level archer to face down several squads of assassins?  And he didn't have any idea what was in store for him at the Harrimans' mansion, but he's supposed to just go there without backup?  Please...  nothing wrong with asking for help.  Even Hawke would have a hard time soloing these missions.

[stobie]

No, & I'm not saying he's wrong to ask for help. His reason, that he's the last of his line, however, is questionable, given that he intends to head into eternal chastity.